taipeir

Yep,farmers with big acreages are doing very nicely thankyou out of the EU.I live in the Fens,a farmer near me has a collection of classic cars that would make you green with envy - Bentleys Ferraris Jags - on fine days he takes some of them out for a spin.Nice to know my taxes are going to a good cause !

I'd agree, except project fear is ongoing - making it even more difficult to reach a conclusion as to the best way forward .

 

Who do we 'believe'?  The relentless pessimism of remainers, or the optimism of determined leavers?

Older people especially pensioners don't have as much skin in the game.

Younger people with an education generally have more to lose.

But it's your call but you aren't getting any real to input on nature of Brexit.

It would be interesting to have another referendum in the UK where voters are told that one of the effects of leaving the EU might be lower economic growth.I suspect many people would still vote " Leave " such is the dislike/distrust of the EU.Divorces are never easy,but when the partners want to go in different directions,its the best thing in the long run.

  He may have seen the film though.  

If he bothered to do any research he may have found this site which states that 140,000 French and Belgian troops were rescued from the beaches. But that would spoil his rant though. Facts meaqn little to him.

 

https://www.britannica.com/event/Dunkirk-evacuation

 

Dunkirk evacuation, (1940) in World War II, the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) and other Allied troops from the French seaport of Dunkirk (Dunkerque) to England. Naval vessels and hundreds of civilian boats were used in the evacuation, which began on May 26. When it ended on June 4, about 198,000 British and 140,000 French and Belgian troops had been saved.

 

Perhaps he should also read up here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dunkirk

for more information or here

 

http://time.com/4869347/dunkirk-aftermath-history/

 

After the last rescue boats left Dunkirk harbor on June 4, 1940, the Germans captured some 40,000 French troops who’d been left behind as well as at least 40,000 British soldiers in the Dunkirk vicinity. Theirs is a story that is often overlooked, but for the next five years, until the war’s end, large numbers of these POWs would be mistreated and abused in violation of Geneva Convention guidelines governing the sick, wounded, prisoners of war and civilians. As described in Dunkirk: The Men They Left Behind, by Sean Longden, some were summarily executed. The POWs were denied food and medical treatment. The wounded were jeered at. To lower officer morale, the Nazis told British officers that they would lose their rank and be sent to the salt mines to work. They were forced to drink ditch water and eat putrid food. As noted by Longden: “These dreadful days were never forgotten by those who endured them. They had fought the battles to ensure the successful evacuation of over 300,000 fellow soldiers. Their sacrifice had brought the salvation of the British nation. Yet they had been forgotten while those who escaped and made their way back home were hailed as heroes.”

 

Not too long after that the French surrendered.

 

Britain of course being stubborn of course, refused ANY surrender terms from the Germans.

 

 

Bad things happened in war, Britain gave a good fight and also got a hammering (although nothing like most of the continent or parts of Asia where whole cities were razed) but it was fairly fortunate in the end that big bros America and the Soviet Union sorted things out.

Let's get back to our regular programing shall we? Hopefully we'll have no more world wars anytime soon.

And as a Finn, you must surely know that Finland fought on the side of Nazi Germany against the brave Russians. Which I’m sure your very proud of, as now you very happy to be under the thumb of The German dominated E.U.
 
Could it have something to do with the fact that the E.U. Intends to form a E.U army, something the remain campaign denied in the run up to the referendum. And this at the same time as our media is trying to convince us, that the Russians are starting to flex their muscles.

 
He also needs to read up on the Arctic convoys where Britain was sending supplies to help the Russians and the losses in men, ships and material of both the Merchant and Royal Navies.

Read my post, I stated that all of Europe surrendered to Nazi Germany which you have just agreed with but your knowledge of history is incorrect regarding Dunkirk. Yes the Russians lost more than any other Nation and played their part on the Eastern front whilst Britain on the Western Front.

UK would have collapsed or sued for peace except for English channel , US ally and Russians absorbing nazi forces on Eastern front. Germans had superior technology and weapons .

The Russians didn't 'play their part' they were the ones that contributed most to winning the war in Europe. In Russia it is known as the Great Patriotic War.

Yes agree totally. The EU lovers and snowflakes trying their best to make anyone question (even I they agree) the EU.
 

I will repeat, I suggest you read up on history, that's one thing that cant be twisted or lied about. Your comments are rather offensive and damn right lies. The whole of Europe surrendered to Nazi Germany without so much as a bit of effort, except for the Italians that allied themselves.

Polish suffered horribly as they fought both the Germans and the Russians, millions died.

It was the English channel that saved blighty and a miscalculation from HItler not to press the advantage in the West when he could and to attack Russia instead.

You need to read up on your history old boy, concentrate on operation Sealion.

The Russians almost singlehandedly changed the tide of war at enormous cost to themselves.

The UK would at most have tried to make peace with nazi Germany as a last gasp attempt to survive if America and Russia hasn't stepped in. No shame in the war effort from UK but you didn't 'win ' the war. In fact after the war Britain lost its empire and was effectively bankrupt and large parts of the cities were in ruins .

Once again not that old clap trap of some remonaires claiming that people didn't know what they voted for and 350 million was going o the NHS. The next think people will be saying people didn't know what they voted for and the very difficult choice of the multiple choice question if leave or stay wasn't clear enough. Please you are hurting my sides. :cheesy:

City of London is screwed.

Did the voters know they were going to screw up the UKs economic engine?

That they were going to have to pay more tax to fill the holes in the budget?

Dont think so.

They were promised amazing free trade deals and new prosperity and a functional NHS system.

Well us Brits have had to do that twice in the last 100 years, becuse you lot were to busy flying a white flag.

Strange, I don’t know of anyone who was influenced by that poster.

I trust Dominic Cummings vote leave manager, not you random Joe Blogs with your 'know nothing' statement.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/08/its-official-theres-200m-hole-brexit-bus-nhs-promise

'The strategists at the heart of the campaign to leave the European Union were in no doubt about what won it for them. “Would we have won without £350m [for] NHS?” said Vote Leave campaign director Dominic Cummings. “All our research and the close result strongly suggests no.” Insiders knew that, without that big red bus promising £350m more a week for health services, the British voters would not have given them their narrow victory.'

Can read more here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-vote-leave-chief-invent-350-million-brexit-mistake-david-cameron-leave-eu-a7825601.html

'His campaign strategy was summarised as: "Don’t talk about immigration"; "Do talk about business"; "Don’t make the referendum final"; "Do keep mentioning the Charter of Fundamental Rights and the over-reach of the European Union’s Court of Justice".'

Post Brexit this damn bus has been like a straw that remainers have to grab and clutch at; it was actually far more inconsequential than they like to think. The core of leave votes were set as soon as the referendum was announced. 

So it was very possibly the difference between the IN or OUT vote!

 https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/08/its-official-theres-200m-hole-brexit-bus-nhs-promise

How do YOU read this?

 

https://goo.gl/images/3LsHRg

And this

https://goo.gl/images/EwSFbs

You ain't seen nothing yet.

The real hard negotiations are only getting started.

 

They're hilarious, aren't they? They keep claiming that they're better off without us whilst relenlessly arguing that we should stay. They give away their position, Freudian slip-style, all day long: they don't like us but they absolutely adore our money.

But please make out all cheques in Euros or better still BTC.

And we need them no more than six months

post-dated.

None of that funny money either with the Queens head on it thank you very much !

Don't think you are getting anything without paying up in advance lol.

He's not really interested in the answer just in the asking.

I apologise, somehow I must have missed it. Can you repeat why E.u citizens like yourself want us to remain.   I have noticed over the weeks, that a number of poster on this thread, are E.U citizens. All of them want us to remain. In fact some of you describe this process as a divorce. Well if my wife wanted to leave me, I’d simply say “OK”

That is of course unless I could’t Get my leg over elsewhere. 

 

I “ m still waiting for your answer. Why do you, a E.U citizens want us to remain in your so called Union.

Why is the sky blue?

Why is grans cooking so bad lol?

I don't think you understand. Steve Mepham isn't trying to get to the bottom of this. This is a game. And now he's ruled out using the rich as a reason for the shortage of housing and services. It's true that the Tories have repeatedly given tax cuts to the rich and slashed revenues. It's true that to accommodate this they have slashed funding for housing

It's true that they are cutting back on the national health service

It's true that they are cutting back on social services.

But those actions don't count because Steve Mepham has ruled them out of bounds.

Let the game go on!

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aristocracy.html

Giant blind spot.

But look over there..Royal wedding and cute babies.

Why does everybody become such a drama queen over this subject.   The Immigrants as you choose to call them have overwhelmed the infrastructure of the UK, Hospital waiting lists GP appointments, school places, everything is coming apart at the seams. and then we are told that ALL Immigrants actually pay more in than they take out, in which case why are we still cutting back, surely our cups would be running over, we would be building hospitals, increasing Police numbers etc, but still we spend more than we earn. And please don't tell me the answer is Tax the rich, its not the rich that are overwhelming our services.  

Like it or not the open door immigration policy of Tony Blair and his boys have set the working man back 50 years, wages and conditions are down and rents and the costs of houses due to demand have gone up alarmingly. Friends of mine in the UK are earning less now than they were 10 years ago, anything you have a glut of pushes prices down. 

 

This is not about race in anyway, this is a numbers game, more and more people fighting over the same space so that we can increase GDP by 1 or 2% a year, its nuts. 

 

 

 

 

Or that the comfortable buffer of North Sea oil ran out ?

Or that Thatcher decided to go all in on the City instead of supporting the manufacturing industry to retool?

It wasn't immigrants who landed all the venerable old British industrial giants with debt , broke them up and sold them off.

Its not the immigrants who own one third of UK land in aristocratic family trusts and vast urban areas for hundreds of years.

Its not the immigrants who implemented NIMBY planning laws.

Its not the immigrants who decide to light tax the high earners.

Its not the immigrants who instructed universal social credit.

Its not the immigrants who didn't decide to become nurse or caregivers or agricultural workers.

So to blame the 'immigrants' for economic decay and polarisation and lack of investment is pretty Risible and lazy thinking of the highest order.

Many other neighbouring countries like Germany, France , Ireland and Sweden have large numbers of immigrants and are doing pretty well and in fact in some cases better than ever.

Besides you are still going to get large numbers of migrants due to the historical British empire links and the service based economy which needs skilled and unskilled labour so not much is going to change anyway.