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I think many of us overvalue our financial impact on Thailand. The estimates I've seen of how many expats are living here is between 250k-500k people. Most are pensioners having modest income. Many are wealthy and drop big coin here. But we're a drop in the bucket compared to 75 million Thais, many paying taxes, and 25 million tourists spending a lot of money in their 3 week holiday.

Sorry late reply just saw your post, very nice people I’ve been three times the last year over three months altogether never been cheated or had any problems with people or anything easy for everything good Wi-Fi everywhere cheaper than here, for me great gyms also very inexpensive good cheap beer if you like a drink and accommodation inexpensive with friendly staff and good service in restaurants with genuine smiles everywhere. I don’t like Hanoi so much but Saigon is great and I will move to live DaNang soon hopefully. Also the women are lovely and very intelligent walk down the street don’t expect to shouted at hello handsome man, where you go, they have class.

Another nice thing about the Filipinos. They don't think all white foreigners speak English and come from the same country.

They actually seem to know a little about the world,  geography, languages and music.

 

Was sitting in a beach hut one day listening to Romeo Santos on my mini-speakers (nobody else around), and the maintenance man came up to me and said "I like Latino music, do you speak Spanish?". Never met a single Thai who realized there was more to western music than 70s rock or hiphop.

 

The most socially adept with conversation in Asia except for Malaysia perhaps and not because they speak English either !

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No it shows that Filipinos will leave their poor country and go anywhere in the world where they can make money to send back home.  Over 10% of the Phillippine population lives overseas and sends money home , there are 3 1/2 million Pinays in USA ---Thai 350,000.  Europe and Arab countries have a lot as well who work there to send money back home.

This means Thailand can focus on quality of life issues Phil has massive problems due to population pressure the govt and wages can't keep up.

The Philippines has very large amounts of desperarely poor people. Phil is third world and Thailand is not .

Phil is dangerous would never bring my can't to live there only to a quieter island or tourist area like Boracay.

Phil has whole islands and cities that are no go zones . The last year thousands have died in war and drug crackdown. The Phil oresident is an admitted murderer. Most Filipinos support extrajudicial killing. They support abritrary murder.

The country is a social disaster and one of the best examples of how NOT to run a country or society in history.

They are very 'proud' but proud of what exactly?

I would have no qualms about moving to Thailand or Malaysia or Vietnam. I do like the Phil for tourism

But move to Phil..nope

The best countries and most mature people in SE Asia going in order are Malaysia, Indonesia , Vietnam and Thailand.

Note safety being very important for me and most people. Why move to a place that is so dangerous?

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  It's costing £231bn a year: about 12% of GDP. Tracy gets given £6 for every £1 she earns, which is why half of Europe wished to join her.  Pull forward to 43 minutes (below).   

 

 

 

By the way capped benefits thing isn't a bad idea overall but depends on how it is applied.

But let's get back to the point.

Pay up the vast armies of Brit pensioners sponging off European health systems...I say pay up I say lol.

Please get back to the thread topic,

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Look at all these bludgers getting a free ride on European national health insurance systems not paying their way!

Pay up I say!!


https://visual.ons.gov.uk/pensioners-in-the-eu-and-uk/


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I'm at a complete and utter loss to understand what it is that you think the link proves. The article talks about "pensions" not "pensioner incomes". My point is precisely that you don't capture what the British state does by looking at pensions. In many countries the pension is what you get: no housing help, local taxation help, nothing. Britain ain't like that. Of course if you live in a foreign country you don't get these other benefits. But that's a separate issue. Try sitting on your backside, living off rent like Rigsby and not even paying NI, in some other country and see if the "minimum income guarantee" kicks in, as it did for my ex-landlord.   It's also worth noting that the article says that provision in some countries is exactly why they're going bust.  

 

 

Irish weekly pension - 220-230 euro per week.

UK weekly pension - 180 euro per week

Pensioners in UK live in really tight circumstances....

http://www.europeanpensions.net/ep/EU-countries-voted-as-having-the-best-pension-systems-in-the-world.php

That's the pensions.

UK social welfare for young people and working age and disabled people is pathetic and they treat people really really harshly... Universal credit. Delays of months to get benefits. Constantly bullied. Pushed on to food banks.

 It is NOT an attractive place to be on social welfare.

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You are trying to create your own conditions as to why they will be an economic burden when an objective study from UCL says they are not an economic burden and in fact they are contributing much more than they take.

Which makes sense as they are mostly health, young and in productive employment.

Your argument that kids extract money when they go to school and before they start working is a joke. Their parents are paying MORE in tax than the unemployed , pensioners etc. When they graduate they them go on to be tax payers. Also their families just by living in the UK spend pretty much all their income in the UK. Of course if the kids lived overseas you'd be moaning the money went overseas.

No dice.

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One senses a big Porkie pie. British welfare doesn't stand up well to most developed economies in Euro.

 

This socialist paper agrees.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/11189414/Why-Britains-state-pension-is-one-of-the-worst-in-Europe.html

 

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http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration

Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European ‘accession’ countries (the ‘A10’) contributed 12% more than they received.

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The British spend over £100bn on benefits for the elderly. Looking at the pension in isolation is a complete mistake. They get housing benefit, council tax benefit, a "minimum income guarantee", other benefits, winter fuel allowance, free bus travel....
 
If you're unemployed or a carer you qualify for the national insurance credits....
 
The British welfare state is very generous; indeed, we're leaving the EU in part because we can't afford to extend its coverage to millions of other folk. 

You can live to be a hundred if you give up all the things that make you want to live to be a hundred.

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I live outrageously so I can enjoy living frugally occasionally.

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For anyone being bullied one more day of bullying - considered in isolation - is better than a massive fight. But it's better to have a horrible end than horror without end. 
 
Where will the remoaners be if and when the great European war 2037-44 breaks out? Where will they be when the entire continent is riven with terrorist and separatist movements, all fighting to free themselves from the edicts of a (super)state which doesn't have a nation behind it which would give the decisions political legitimacy, and which would encourage those who don't benefit from decisions to nonetheless accept them? 
 
One of the things that amuses me is halfwits claiming that Brexit is a vote for and by the old to the disadvantage of the young. Brexit is for the young: it's so they can have a polity, and live in peace, with workable political decisions made by accountable politicians. 
 
Brexit is brawl and a broken nose. Better that than putting up with crap for fifty years, and with a murder at the end of it. 

For anyone being bullied one more day of bullying - considered in isolation - is better than a massive fight. But it's better to have a horrible end than horror without end. 
 
Where will the remoaners be if and when the great European war 2037-44 breaks out? Where will they be when the entire continent is riven with terrorist and separatist movements, all fighting to free themselves from the edicts of a (super)state which doesn't have a nation behind it which would give the decisions political legitimacy, and which would encourage those who don't benefit from decisions to nonetheless accept them? 
 
One of the things that amuses me is halfwits claiming that Brexit is a vote for and by the old to the disadvantage of the young. Brexit is for the young: it's so they can have a polity, and live in peace, with workable political decisions made by accountable politicians. 
 
Brexit is brawl and a broken nose. Better that than putting up with crap for fifty years, and with a murder at the end of it. 

"New normal" is the latest cliche ... Bank of England will increase by 0.25% in November, barring some major issue like a Korean War ... but it is unlikely to push rates a great deal higher unless inflation gets a grip. 
 
After the Brexit picture becomes clearer, GBP will improve. 

You talk about the pound sterling loosing it's value and consequences of same. But does the situation not equally affect all the Europeans (using the Euro) and have been affected for a lot longer.
   Around 15 years ago the Euro was worth, at one point, around 54 Baht. Since then it has been steadly dropping. Now at around 38.5 Bt. after rising a little of late.
   It's something a lot of people have been having to adjust to for a long period now.

GBP is cratering as a consequence of the uncertainty surrounding the Brexit negotiations. GBP is historically low against other major currencies but is likely to "mean-revert" once the post-Brexit situation becomes clearer ... although I doubt we'll get that clarity until sometime in 2018.