Captainmorgan

This seem to me to be ultimate solution to jellyfish protection! Has anybody tried this?:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/safe-sea-jellyfish-sting-preventer-sunblock-combo-promises-protection-both-stings-and-uv-305002

“It didn’t completely inhibit the stings, but it came pretty darn close,” - Sound good enough for me

This will absolutely not help with box jelly fish stings. P{lease feel free to test this on yourself but don't promote it to other people.

Vinegar is the only advised primary care item to use with box jelly fish stings. As already mentioned plenty of times in this thread, the vinegar doesn't relief the pain but it stops the stingers from firing off more venom into the wounds.

NOTHING ELSE works.

This is not what I read:

Does Safe-Sea® protect swimmers against all types of jellyfish and sea lice?

Yes, Safe-Sea® eliminates stinging cells discharge and prevents skin penetration by the cnidaria sting mechanism. There are 15,000 specimens of jellyfish, coral hydroids and anemones and their toxins content is highly variable, but they share 30 types of stinging cells with same mode of action. Safe-Sea® inactivates the stinging mechanism and is therefore designed to work for all types. Trials have shown it to be effective against toxic jellyfish from different types.

Was Safe-Sea® tested against many types of jellyfish?

Safe-Sea® is the only product which has been tested and proven to be effective against jellyfish stings. This includes clinical tests under double blind conditions in several medical centers against several types of jellyfish. These clinical tests were conducted on Sea Nettle in Stanford Hospital University, Box Jellyfish in Bert Fish Medical Center in Florida, and Rhopilema (toxic Mediterranean jellyfish) in Rambam Hospital, Israel. All tests demonstrated that that Safe-Sea® provides effective protection against jellyfish stings. Other tests conducted by an independent Japanese team indicated that Safe-Sea® provides protection against Blue Bottle, Sea Wasp and Box Jellyfish (clinical test reports can be provided on request). These tests indicate that Safe-Sea® is effective against even the most dangerous jellyfish.

What I have understood from what I read about this is that it greatly reduces the severity of jelly stings in general but it is not specifically teated against the Thai Box jelly variant.

But how do you know that "This will absolutely not help with box jelly fish stings"?? Have you tested that or heard about others that has??

And I don't "promote" it. I just wonder if peoply have tried it because it would be a very good solution if it worked. Wearing a stinger suit or staying out of the water is not imho

Ok, maybe you want to read this article;

"There is NO - ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to show that Safe Sea jellyfish sting protection lotion works against the type of box jellyfish that has killed people in Thailand, South-East Asia, Australia or anywhere. NO PROOF - NONE!

Don't waste your money and risk your life if you think Safe Sea or similar lotions and potions will save you and your children from a lethal box jellyfish sting because they may not. Nidaria the Israeli company that develops/manufactures this product has NEVER tested it on lethal box jellyfish. In fact, one study (2005) published on their website [1] said they should - but over 10 years later they have not.

The species of box jellyfish tested in the study arranged by Nidaria is non-lethal and lives in the Americas. It is not the same as the Thai species. Yes they are 'box jellyfish' but there are many different types - while domestic cats and lions are feline, one will rip your head off. The study also says that Safe Sea lotion only provided 70% protection against this species. What about the other 30%? If the stinger was a killer would you be only 30% dead?

This product that apparently mimics the clownfish's slimy defence against the anemone's stinging cells was developed and is manufactured by the founder and director of Nidaria, Amit Lotan. The 'evidence' provided by Nidaria on their website (Safe Sea Scientific Articles) is 4 papers - one previously referred to here and 3 others all authored by Amit Lotan. This is like Ronald McDonald evaluating the nutritional value of a Happy Meal.

In 2009 when Safe Sea attempted to profit with dangerous false advertising in Thailand, Dr Lisa Gershwin, an eminent international box jellyfish expert, had this to say:

“Physalia utriculus is neutralised by vinegar, whereas the multi-tentacled Physalia here in Australia is activated by it. A clown fish covered with the slime of one anemone will be ready prey for another anemone. Safe Sea does not work as well for Chiropsalmus quadrumanus as it does for Chrysaora quinquecirrha.

There are subtle biochemical differences in species perception and species behaviours that we do not fully understand. Sometimes they are between classes, sometimes they are between sister species. It is possible that the product works better for Chironex and/or Irukandji than it works for the species tested; it is also possible that it does not work at all for one or both; it is also possible that it works somewhere in between. The only way we will know is by credible independent testing. Until then, scientific honesty and duty of care dictate that we assume it could be bad, and we thus avoid the ramifications of a Type II error.”

So what are the facts? The fact is that Safe Sea is NOT sold in Australia - for obvious reasons. The fact is that Nidaria that sells Safe Sea has not tested it fully. The fact is that Safe Sea can NOT be trusted as prevention against potentially lethal jellyfish in the Indo-Pacific region including Thailand. The fact is that the best ways not to get stung by a box jellyfish in Thailand is to swim in the pool or wear a lycra suit in the sea."

For pictures and more links, please visit the original link as listed above.

Maybe it's just me but I am not used to hysterical people yelling I make false claim about products which is not proven when all I do is ask if anybody has any experience with it. What if you actually answered my questions (the sentences in my 3 posts ending with a ?) instead of repeating the same mantra over an over? You know I got you the first time, SAFE SEA SUN CREAM IS NOT PROVEN AGAINST THAI BOX JELLY! So with that out of the way can you now answer me were it is proven that it don't work at all as you claim???

You see, even if you think they should, if you exclude the most extreme places like northern australia in the season, people will not stop swimming in the indian or pacific ocean or wherever else dangerous jelly might live or wear a ridicullus, uncomfortable suit that removes the pleasure of a day at the beach just because there is about 1 in 10 000 000 or so chance of getting badly burned. Just like people are walking to the beach in sandals and not f.ex. military boots even if there is an ever so slight chanse of getting bitten / stung by a dangerous snake, spider, scorpion, centipide etc

And so the reason I think this kind of sun cream is a great product is that it gives you protection for "free". Your gonna need sun cream anyway so why not use one on the beach that gives you some jellyfish protection as a bonus?? Yeeeeeees, I understand it will not give you a 100% protection against all kinds of yellies and it costs a few dollars more, but as I said in my first post, if it gives you let's say 50% protection and damage reduction then I will definatly buy it. It could actually save your life (as opposed to NOT wearing any protection) in the very unlikly event that you get burned by a dangerous jelly!

So therefore I try one last time, has anybody had any experience with this or a similar sun cream product?

Because of research and various warnings from well known Australian researchers regarding this and other products that claim things that are not true in respect to box jelly fish.

As I said before, by all means try it on your self in the very unlikely event you ever get stung by box jelly fish, but please refrain from promoting such insane ideas and false promises that can cause death because of the wrong treatment being delivered.

This can be found on the Thailand box jelly fish blog

"New cream??!! This stuff's been around for years - and it still doesn't work! Safesea was introduced to Thailand in 2008 and exploited the wave of concern regarding the 'discovery' of box jellyfish here. It made false claims then and still does. It has not - still - been proven to work against box jellyfish or man o war/bluebottles and for other species it could be 50-70% effective, is this enough? Once again, why make the claims without the proof? Why not just prove it? Go on Nidaria, you too, do some tests on box jellyfish and bluebottles before making such grand claims about protecting innocent, unsuspecting people against ALL jellyfish and giving them a false sense of security when there is no efficacy, no proof, none."

"please refrain from promoting such insane ideas and false promises that can cause death because of the wrong treatment being delivered" -jeeez, are you actually saying that jelli protection in a sun screen can kill...?

If this gives you, let's say 30% less "damage" from a box jelli sting and more on other jellifish why not use a sunscreen with jellifish protection instead of one without when you need sunscreen anyway?? And stop accusing me of promoting this product, I just asked for people's experiences unlike you who just seems to know it all. So please send me some links that this product has absolutly no effect on box jellies as you claim or keep quit if you have no idea

This seem to me to be ultimate solution to jellyfish protection! Has anybody tried this?:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/safe-sea-jellyfish-sting-preventer-sunblock-combo-promises-protection-both-stings-and-uv-305002

“It didn’t completely inhibit the stings, but it came pretty darn close,” - Sound good enough for me

This will absolutely not help with box jelly fish stings. P{lease feel free to test this on yourself but don't promote it to other people.

Vinegar is the only advised primary care item to use with box jelly fish stings. As already mentioned plenty of times in this thread, the vinegar doesn't relief the pain but it stops the stingers from firing off more venom into the wounds.

NOTHING ELSE works.

This is not what I read:

Does Safe-Sea® protect swimmers against all types of jellyfish and sea lice?

Yes, Safe-Sea® eliminates stinging cells discharge and prevents skin penetration by the cnidaria sting mechanism. There are 15,000 specimens of jellyfish, coral hydroids and anemones and their toxins content is highly variable, but they share 30 types of stinging cells with same mode of action. Safe-Sea® inactivates the stinging mechanism and is therefore designed to work for all types. Trials have shown it to be effective against toxic jellyfish from different types.

Was Safe-Sea® tested against many types of jellyfish?

Safe-Sea® is the only product which has been tested and proven to be effective against jellyfish stings. This includes clinical tests under double blind conditions in several medical centers against several types of jellyfish. These clinical tests were conducted on Sea Nettle in Stanford Hospital University, Box Jellyfish in Bert Fish Medical Center in Florida, and Rhopilema (toxic Mediterranean jellyfish) in Rambam Hospital, Israel. All tests demonstrated that that Safe-Sea® provides effective protection against jellyfish stings. Other tests conducted by an independent Japanese team indicated that Safe-Sea® provides protection against Blue Bottle, Sea Wasp and Box Jellyfish (clinical test reports can be provided on request). These tests indicate that Safe-Sea® is effective against even the most dangerous jellyfish.

What I have understood from what I read about this is that it greatly reduces the severity of jelly stings in general but it is not specifically teated against the Thai Box jelly variant.

But how do you know that "This will absolutely not help with box jelly fish stings"?? Have you tested that or heard about others that has??

And I don't "promote" it. I just wonder if peoply have tried it because it would be a very good solution if it worked. Wearing a stinger suit or staying out of the water is not imho

This seem to me to be ultimate solution to jellyfish protection! Has anybody tried this?:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/safe-sea-jellyfish-sting-preventer-sunblock-combo-promises-protection-both-stings-and-uv-305002

“It didn’t completely inhibit the stings, but it came pretty darn close,” - Sound good enough for me