For any readers of this thread who are under 55.

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Tens of millions of workers under the age of 55 could be affected by changes to pension age sooner than previously planned, according to a former minister.

 

Steve Webb, pensions minister in the coalition government between 2010-15, says documents produced by the Department of Work and Pensions suggest the government is preparing a “more aggressive” timetable on state pension age changes.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/nov/28/basically-a-huge-tax-increase-readers-on-proposed-pension-age-rise

Write off any plans that you might have had that included a State Pension.

You will be dead before you see it.

1 hour ago, jm91 said:

It is absolutely certain that you have no idea what you are talking about. 

Geez..another mass murder in the USA and you want to talk political smack? 

 

You don't seem to have much sympathy. 

Foot in mouth disease ?

There was no mass murder, the assailant was shot dead.

No, no sympathy whatsoever.

1 hour ago, webfact said:

The fight is showing the limitations of Iraq's military and security forces, suggesting it has still not fully recovered from the collapse it suffered two years ago in the face of the militants' blitz across much of northern and western Iraq.

10 minutes spent with the IA would show anyone their limitations.

10 hours ago, Anthony5 said:

 

No they were not catastrophic, they were surprising, as in the people have made it clear that they are sick and tired of being told what they can do and what not and want to have someone who works for them.

 

Expect a Le Pen victory in France and a Wilders victory in the Netherlands.

According to the MSM they were catastrophic.

Those results were only surprising to some people. Plenty of posters on this forum predicted the results long before the voting took place. Me being one of them.

I fully understand why these results happened. Reasons that I happen to agree with for the most part.

Events over the next couple of months will dictate what happens In France, not so much with Holland.

One more boom, or a serious of booms and it will be all over, Le Pen will romp it.

9 hours ago, Aforek said:

Can you read French ? Last sunday night, yesterday night; two polls give Fillon  winner first round  26%  Fillon , 24 % for Le Pen  for the first poll ; 32 % Fillon  22 % Le Pen for the second poll and for the  second round : 67 % for Fillon versus 33 %  Le Pen for the first poll and 71 % versus for Le Pen  29 %    my explanation : First round, everybody vote for their candidate, left side vote for left side, for the second round, left side voters will vote for Fillon because they are afraid by far right and the incompetence of FN, and of course Le Pen voters will vote again for Le Pen ( less than 30 % ) ; here is the link http://www.zinfos974.com/Sondages-Francois-Fillon-l-emporterait-devant-Marine-Le-Pen_a108258.html

Thanks for the link.

Time will tell.

8 hours ago, Xircal said:

 

 

@ SgtRock, you were responding to nausea's post which is why I've quoted them both. But are you saying that Fillon has a criminal conviction, or Juppe?

 

Juppe

Apologies. I see it has already been answered.

Poor old Draghi continues to blow smoke up the @rses of the EUrocrats

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Draghi Warns U.K. Likely to Suffer Most If Hard Brexit Hits

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/draghi-warns-u-k-likely-to-suffer-most-if-hard-brexit-arrives

If I was you Draghi, I would not be too concerned about Brexit, which is at least 2 years away.

Your focus should be on the EUR / EZ which, quite possibly, may not be around in 2 years, or at the very least a disaster area.

4 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

 

I think it is valid to question the future of the EU and with the current round of elections it may well see choppy waters ahead if not the complete collapse.  I have always said that if voting leave means that the EU has to be completely re-structured if not re-invented then I would be all for it.  That is as long as we can be included in the new set-up.  I haven't changed my mind on that.

 

However my post was dealing with the effect on Britain of leaving the EU and that is what this report is about.  It is not about whether we should leave, it is about the fallout for all of us Brits.

I am of the opinion that the UK leaving the EU could give the UK the opportunity to correct everything that is wrong with the UK, without interference from the EU. Whether that the EU is anything to do with those is a bit of a sticking point, but it is certainly an excuse that UK Politicians and all sorts of other people are very quick to use when they are trying to defend their position. One way or another, it will alleviate that issue.

The UK will suffer, the extent is not known yet and will not be known until that point is actually reached. This again, I can only see in a good light as it will make the UK become more self sufficient, rather than than the path it is currently on, which, IMO is nothing more than an unsustainable Ponzi scheme, based on debt.

I am also of the opinion that the pain that the UK will go through as a stand alone unit, will be far less than the pain it will go through if / when the EUR / EZ collapses, which will lead to the collapse of the EU.

Here is one take on it, which I have been saying since pre-referendum on various threads.

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“Brexit is going to be a sideshow to the problems of Europe that are becoming more and more evident,” Mellon said. “The euro as it stands at the moment is just a very inappropriate mechanism -- I give the euro between one and five years of life.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/investor-who-backed-brexit-sees-euro-breaking-up-within-5-years

He is absolutely correct, Brexit will be a sideshow, IMO it will not even be a sideshow. 

4 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

None so blind as those who refuse to see

How true.

What a pity that the there are thGreaose that cannot see the very real danger to the EUR / EZ which will ultimately cause the demise of the EU.

But the UK should stay in the EU.

Great idea.

1 hour ago, Aforek said:

 

Sorry, you make me laugh ; who vote ? English people ?  the 70% - 30% where a poll yesterday night after the result of the primaire, by French people

the bets you speak about is may be a trend today but for me it's ridiculous , doesn't show anything , life is not a game of bet, it's not football

I think you are confused and should post a link to this poll.

Primary result 64% - 36%

Are you sure it wasn't an exit poll on the Primary result and nothing to do with the National election ?

1 hour ago, chiang mai said:

 

Call it what you will, accurate forecasting, guesswork, black magic, the question still stands, what if they are right?

 

On a totally separate point however:

 

Forecasting of most things is not an exact science but it's typically right far more often than its wrong, if you had the same odds of success in a casino you'd play every time and be very wealthy over time! Ask yourself what you might want to do is there was an important or even critical event you wanted to try and second the outcome of, what would you want to do. You'd probably want to gather all the experts in the related fields, analyse the history, model the scenario, conduct polls and so on. Sure there's a good  chance you will be wrong but the odds are far greater that you will be right. So, just because a forecaster or analyst comes up with the wrong answer from time to time, it doesn't mean that forecasting isn't useful and helpful.

It means that the EU will be down the pan before the UK does, as I posted today, on another thread I posted where one forecaster  has given the EUR between 1 - 5 years.

EUR / EZ goes the whole EU goes, as I have previously explained to you on multiple threads.

The UK can thank a certain Gordon Brown for keeping the UK out of the EUR when all around him were lambasting him for doing so.

The UK, as a stand alone entity will do far better than an imploding EZ.

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Well the World Health Organization feel sufficiently confident to offer detailed analysis and, to be honest, I think they are much more likely to know what they are talking about that you, so I will stick with their info.

 

If the UK cannot offer a detailed analyses, what makes you think the WHO can ?

Pretty good that you can now quote some WHO in depth analyses but had no idea that NI had the highest suicide rates in the UK.

Must be a fantastic report.

23 hours ago, AlexRich said:

I suggest that they care a great deal about their economy and future welfare. 

Indeed, it would appear that you are at least half correct.

It seems that some Italians are already way ahead of the curve.

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The 154-year-old Poste Italiane is winning deposits as fast as some traditional lenders are losing them, attracting savers disillusioned with a banking system that is straining under bad debts and appears to be in permanent crisis.

Alarmed by daily media reports about faltering bank rescue plans, savers have deposited about 3 billion euros ($3.4 billion) in the post office in the last six months alone.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-poste-italiane-banks-idUSKCN12I134

I hope the Poste Italiane does foreign currency accounts.

25 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

You haven't answered my question, you've merely diverted.

No, there was very little to answer.

So I have gave you a comparison and asked why different standards apply.

5 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

What if, just what if, this isn't just a pro-EU line from a bunch of pro-EU politicians, what if it's a true and accurate assessment of what will happen?

 

I mean, how can you objectively and honestly distinguish between pro-EU propaganda and fact based of accurate forecasting?

And what if, just what if, the EUR / EZ really is doomed, which will lead to the collapse of the EU, what will happen then ?

But according to the die hard remoaners, that is just not possible, so why should it be any different when applied to the UK ?

1 minute ago, Gene1960 said:

Fillon's ideas of cutting the number of civil servants, deputies and senators are shared by a lot of people. It became obvious to many that the government is too expensive and France cannot afford the bureaucracy of that size anymore.

Ideas are great Gene1960. And it is also very possible that he is correct.

The problem is votes.

How many in the Civil Service, their families and extended families are going to vote in a National election to potentially lose their jobs.

If he is talking about cutting 500,000 at a 25% cut for instance. That is a pool of 2 million people that are in line to potentially lose their livelihood, add in their extended families, and that is a lot of votes not going to Fillon.

Out of a voter pool of circa 30 million, that is a big % of votes to lose.

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

No idea, but if NI is abnormally high as you state, we can assume that the England/Wales rate will be less than 0.006%.

Exactly 

You have no idea. If you knew anything, you would know that the suicide rate in the General population is accepted as being unknown because too many cannot be determined and therefore not classified as suicide. 

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

And you think that if there is a no vote and market pressure on Italian banks they will just be allowed to fail ... is that the inevitable consequence? No policy response? Mmm ... let's see shall we.

Perhaps you could not read the article as it was in the FT

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Resolution, a new regulatory mechanism, restructures and, if necessary, winds up a bank by imposing losses on both equity and debt investors, particularly controversial in Italy, where millions of individual investors have bought bank bonds.

https://www.ft.com/content/e588ea6a-b49f-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d

You might be correct, it would not be the 1st time that the EU has ditched its own rules and regulations when it suits them.

http://ec.europa.eu/finance/general-policy/banking-union/single-resolution-mechanism/index_en.htm

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The UK has a suicide rate of 6.2 per 100,000 people or 0.006% - prison suicide far outweighs the UK average.

What is it for England and Wales as per the OP ?

Bearing in mind that NI has the highest rate of suicide in the UK.

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Investor Who Backed Brexit Sees Euro Breaking Up Within 5 Years

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Jim Mellon stood out among investors in 2016 as a rare, public backer of Britain’s exit from the European Union. Now, the chairman of the Burnbrae Group is forecasting another breakup.

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“Brexit is going to be a sideshow to the problems of Europe that are becoming more and more evident,” Mellon said. “The euro as it stands at the moment is just a very inappropriate mechanism -- I give the euro between one and five years of life.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/investor-who-backed-brexit-sees-euro-breaking-up-within-5-years

For how long and how many times have I said this.

But what would I know. Apparently I am just an uneducated brexiteer.

15 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Probably preferable to putting up images of any pro-Brexit BNP members who attend SS reunion gatherings in Europe.

Please post some as I have difficulty in locating any.

Or is that just more remoaner white noise ?

5 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

The objection is because the forum Brexiteers are to a man hard Brexiteers and do not recognise any soft Brexit alternative. All to their left is lumped under the anti-referendum result label.

As has already been pointed out

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EU council president: it's hard Brexit or no Brexit at all

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/13/its-hard-brexit-or-no-brexit-at-all-says-eu-council-president

The forum brexiteers as you like to call them will have no input whatsoever to any form of Brexit. So if you have an issue with a so called hard Brexit, take it up Mr Tusk, he is after all the President of the EU council, he will be the man to speak to.

Regurgitating the same white noise on here will get you nowhere.

2 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

The sudden spike is a 10% increase on previous recent years.  The total number of prisoners is not what we are looking at, we are not discussing the percentage of prisoners who commit suicide, which is insignificantly changed, we are looking at real numbers of suicides, which have significantly increased.  And if some prisons have reduced in numbers that makes it all the worse as that means some have increased so much as to be able to skew the entire systems stats.

 

And what 2 charities?  The Howard League is only one and is always has been funded by private donations.

Well done.

% increase is always used to make things look worse or better depending on your perspective.

No-one is saying that the prison system is perfect, but to use your method 0.11% is probably not going to read much different to the General population

These 2 charities from the OP

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The Howard League released the figures on suicide as it published a joint report alongside Centre for Mental Health, another charity.

Does being funded by private donations debar you from seeking further funding ?