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Case solved then, the police already know what happened.
No witnesses to this, an assumption that he climbed onto a DJ booth because of similar wounds on his face that look similar to barbed wire which is apparently around the dj booth.
Another assumption he was heavily drunk because of cctv images but then a not sure about that so waiting for the autopsy from Surit Thani where ever that is, the mainland I believe.
So current story, he goes back to the resort alone drunk, climbs a dj booth that is protected by barbed wire then jumps off and slams his face into the swimming pool killing him all for the sake of what? No one there to show off his climbing and diving skills. Strange but could also be true.
Is a Thai autopsy fairly credible and accurate?
I hope the Brits will carry out an inquest on this.
Indeed, the British police must certainly carry out a inquest, reviewing all the previous evidence- facebook photos of balancing on thin banister rails with a large drop below, references to heroin and other drugs.
Never mentioned the britsh police I mentioned the british coroner inquest, a difference there. I'm sure they will take into account all evidence you have pointed out as well as the all the rest right? Oh I dont think that was him doing a balancing act in a facebook post but a friend of his so the inquest may ignore that particular piece of evidence.
You're right, there is no photo of him balancing precariously on a banister with a large drop below, that is only his friend, his own facebook pages rather just make frequent references to his getting out of it on drugs with warnings from his loved ones
Well done you got one bit right then. Lets see if the inquest takes into account your observations. Along with more material evidence that may actually reveal what happened.
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Case solved then, the police already know what happened.
No witnesses to this, an assumption that he climbed onto a DJ booth because of similar wounds on his face that look similar to barbed wire which is apparently around the dj booth.
Another assumption he was heavily drunk because of cctv images but then a not sure about that so waiting for the autopsy from Surit Thani where ever that is, the mainland I believe.
So current story, he goes back to the resort alone drunk, climbs a dj booth that is protected by barbed wire then jumps off and slams his face into the swimming pool killing him all for the sake of what? No one there to show off his climbing and diving skills. Strange but could also be true.
Is a Thai autopsy fairly credible and accurate?
I hope the Brits will carry out an inquest on this.
Indeed, the British police must certainly carry out a inquest, reviewing all the previous evidence- facebook photos of balancing on thin banister rails with a large drop below, references to heroin and other drugs.
Never mentioned the britsh police I mentioned the british coroner inquest, a difference there. I'm sure they will take into account all evidence you have pointed out as well as the all the rest right? Oh I dont think that was him doing a balancing act in a facebook post but a friend of his so the inquest may ignore that particular piece of evidence.
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Case solved then, the police already know what happened.
No witnesses to this, an assumption that he climbed onto a DJ booth because of similar wounds on his face that look similar to barbed wire which is apparently around the dj booth.
Another assumption he was heavily drunk because of cctv images but then a not sure about that so waiting for the autopsy from Surit Thani where ever that is, the mainland I believe.
So current story, he goes back to the resort alone drunk, climbs a dj booth that is protected by barbed wire then jumps off and slams his face into the swimming pool killing him all for the sake of what? No one there to show off his climbing and diving skills. Strange but could also be true.
Is a Thai autopsy fairly credible and accurate?
I hope the Brits will carry out an inquest on this.
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If you look on his (Luke Miller) facebook page you will see he was travelling with his mate James Gissing. If you go to James' page you will see a picture posted of himself two days ago which says it all : living on the edge....
PS I'm not posting any links or the actual pictures.
Says it all.........what are you insinuating? Its his own fault? Instead of taking one photo out of context take a look at the bigger picture and head to Nichola Gissing facebook page where you'll see the other photos of a normal fun filled holiday that has been cut short tragically and until we have further information from the media which locally is being remarkably quiet on this, I think we should not make assumptons of his lifestyle as being the cause of this.
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OMG
Just had a look at his facebook page and he spoke to his mom on the 30th Dec assuring her he would keep safe as she was worried about him. This is tragic. RIP and my thoughts are now with the families.
His dream vacation in Thailand has come to an end, now whether that be from an overdose or something else there is not enough info as yet. The families deserve a detailed and transparent investigation. I hope they get it this time. This is one too many now and even if it turns out to be through a drugs overdose its still outrageous that these drugs are so openly sold in KT despite the promised crackdowns.
Buy my drugs and die its up to you, not my fault............as long as my tourist dollars keep flowing in we dont give a s#it
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He had 2 phones 1 locked Iphone and 1 cheap thai phone, cheap phone used for mobile calls, I phone would be for using with wifi skype FB etc.
Thats a possiblity and I've seen that mentioned before but I've never seen it in any of the reports about a second phone, have you?
If you're asking me, then yes. I recall when the investigation first started, there was mention of a phone found at the crime scene. That couldn't have been the phone found at the scapegoats' lodging because Wei already admitted to finding that (2nd?) one.
Probably a more important question is: Did Mon alter the crime scene or possibly put anything in his pocket. It's already known that Mon was the first person told of the crime. That was many minutes (or 1 or 2 hours) before police arrived. To not have gone to look (perhaps close up) at the crime scene would have been completely uncharacteristic of any human.
The crime wrapped up by 5 or 5:30, whereas the crime scene was not cordoned off before close to noon. Pure speculation on my part, but what sorts of things would a man want to hide or dispose of if he was meddling at a crime scene? Here are some thoughts: clothing, mobile phone which may have belonged to one of the perps, a weaponized ring which may have been dropped on the sand, anything else which might implicate people you don't want implicated. All the things I mentioned could be put in a pocket or (re; clothing) under a shirt. The hoe couldn't be disposed of easily, and that's probably why it was there.
And what of the broken bottle which police were sure was one of the weapons? No bottle or broken glass found. Yet, the scapegoats admitted to using it in their tortured condition at the badly named 'safe-house.'
Yes I remember a report from court about one of the police officers finding a phone at the scene but when asked who it belonged to he did not confirm, this is in refernce to a second phone not the smashed one found at the suspects room or outside the rooms
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I have a question. I received an email warning me to avoid a facebook page named blind justice koh tao...that it was infected with viruses...then a member posted that page here in this thread today. I informed people on the thread regarding this. The site is still posted in this thread. post #3505. I also understood that members were not permitted to post any facebook sites at all on TV. Are we allowed to post them or not? Thank you for any clarification.
facebook pages are not viruses, there is a remote possibility that someone may link to an outside page or source that could contain a virus but your anti virus software will generally let you know about unsafe content before you open it or play it, facebook also screens files and limits the type of content that can be linked or uploaded, so I would say it is extremely doubtfull if not impossible to spread a virus through facebook
My wife and teenage kids are on facebook all the time and to the best of my knowledge its virus free, but like you said there could be the odd rogue outside link put up by a business page to take you somewhere you probably wanna keep well clear of.
The same cannot be said for mom and pop small websites whose owners fail to look after the security. In keeping on topic take a look at the AC bar/resort KT website http://www.acresortkohtao.com/ looks innocent enough right, but click on the 'divers' tab in the top menu and it then takes you to http://www.phoenix-divers.com/ that has either been hacked or is being deliberetly used as a spam farm, I suggest you do not click any of the links on it, at least I did'nt not sure how powerful my anti virus is.
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Miller’s Cell Phone. It was discovered at lodgings of Zaw Lin, according to police. The device, a black iPhone 4, was apparently smashed and discarded as it did not work inside Thailand.
Which phone did David Miller phone his father in England from then a couple of hours before he was murdered if it wasn't this one that did not work inside Thailand? Mr Miller would be able to find that out from phone records, should he wish to. Surely the defence looked into this?
He had 2 phones 1 locked Iphone and 1 cheap thai phone, cheap phone used for mobile calls, I phone would be for using with wifi skype FB etc.
Thats a possiblity and I've seen that mentioned before but I've never seen it in any of the reports about a second phone, have you?
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My feeling is that Anonymous are quite capable of doing their own research on this and as such hardly need a list sent to them by activists from Thai Visa. You say some are on here who is that? Why is posting a list of legitimate concerns some of which will probably be used in the Appeal classified as spam to you? I have read similar concerns and similar lists in various news reports also, some of which are international. Are they also activists? Championing a cause that to many appears to be an unjust decision does not to me seem to be unreasonable. That is why their are avenues for appeal and avenues to find justice and call for justice through legal channels. I dont agree with the hacking of websites but I do agree with applying pressure, its the only way that some govenrments change a rotten and corrupt system.
Explain why the list is exactly the same (word for word) as posted by activists in September.
Always track pictures and text down to the original source and then judge if they are credible enough to share or repost.
Its not, but what has happened is they have taken certain parts from the Chris Harkins Change.org Appeal and give references links to any text at the end of their statements, quite a normal thing to do.
You can follow this link for a full transcript of their research.
- Sean McAnna contacted us on our Facebook page
- and offered to answer our questions after learning
- about our involvement with this case, a number of questions
- were asked but all answers were the same of which can
- be found online and his answers did not change.
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- What Anonymous did ask Sean, was why did he believe
- Mon accompanied with a suggested police officer
- named, "Big Ears" was going to kill him?
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- The reply we got, Anonymous does not find
- satisfactory, Sean's reply was he felt Mon needed a
- scapegoat and that they, namely the island Mafia, do
- not need a reason to kill someone and that they do it
- often.
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A message from the Anonymous group more or less sums it up, it should be posted and reposted every day until the B2 are free:
Copy/paste job
Not just that, it's propaganda laundering; the message is a laundry list of so called facts of the case produced by "activists" (some of which are here) that they sent to Anonymous, who were all too happy to regurgitate. Now the "activists" point at it and say "Look at what Anonymous has to say about this!" as a means to add credibility to a list they created in the first place.
In addition to that, becoming a spam-bot is hardly the trait of a person or group capable of defending their position.
My feeling is that Anonymous are quite capable of doing their own research on this and as such hardly need a list sent to them by activists from Thai Visa. You say some are on here who is that? Why is posting a list of legitimate concerns some of which will probably be used in the Appeal classified as spam to you? I have read similar concerns and similar lists in various news reports also, some of which are international. Are they also activists? Championing a cause that to many appears to be an unjust decision does not to me seem to be unreasonable. That is why their are avenues for appeal and avenues to find justice and call for justice through legal channels. I dont agree with the hacking of websites but I do agree with applying pressure, its the only way that some govenrments change a rotten and corrupt system.
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Someone kindly posted previously about the DNA findings in response to my question about methods, data, analysis - not really answering my question, but interesting all the same.
STR vWA analysis: DNA from rectum of Hannah Witheridge
16 matching loci to Zaw Lin (Zoren) & 16 matching loci to Wai Phyo (Win)
STR vWA analysis: DNA from vagina of Hannah Witheridge
16 matching loci to Wai Phyo (Win)
STR D2S1338 analysis: DNA from right nipple of Hannah Witheridge
Positive match to Wai Phyo (Win), loci 20 & 25 missing
16 Matching loci on only the vWA Core Locus .. probability of 0.21 - that is just over one in five. 21 out of 100 people.
really.. not the whole geonome? to have a statistically meaningful identification you need to match on 13 locus (US)
Completely meaningless when there is zero documentation on how the samples were processed.. I simply do not believe that the DNA found on Hannah was correctly processed.
If the Samples were correctly processed then simple response is PROVE IT!
It is not enough just say there are 16 matches on a single locus. its is meaningless. Show you methods and your working out. Science 101!
PS do not shoot the messenger - personally I was grateful to STE for posting this information
This information is wrong as written, and so fairly meaningless.
STR vWA means "the short tandem repeat at the vWA locus."
"vWA" IS ONE single locus (a place in the genome that can be of different lengths in different people.) Each single locus is present ONCE on each of a pair of chromosomes and therefore each person can only have TWO values for the vWA locus (e.g. 11,17 ) because the vWA locus is present only twice in any one person, NOT sixteen times-this is nonsense. There can't be sixteen matches at vWA therefore.
Similarly D2S1338 is a SINGLE locus, that is a site present only once on each of a pair of chromosomes, it therefore can only have two numerical values in a single person (one for the length of the site on each chromosome e.g. 21, 23). It is therefore impossible for there to be sixteen matches.
At vWA and D2S1388 there would only be four figures for each suspect. A full DNA profile uses 10 different loci (plural of locus) in the UK, and 13 different loci in the US. Thus a high probability identification (less than one in a billion of being a chance match, i.e. a definitive identification) needs two numbers at each of 10 or 13 loci, that is a list of 20 or 26 different numbers, each of which must be identical in the suspect and the victim sample.
If this rather garbled account above is trying to say that the DNA samples from the victim match the suspects at four places (two numbers at vWA and two numbers at D2S1388) then the probability that this could happen by chance would be so high that it would be completely unacceptable in any court anywhere as identification.
All DNA reports (but obviously not the one submitted to the court , since apparently this was non-existent) give a calculated probability that the results obtained could be a chance match. When this probability is one in 50 million to several billion (as they always are in perfect matches of 20 or 26 number profiles from 10 or 13 loci) then the identification can be absolutely relied on. If only two loci and four numbers were used the probability of a chance match would be so high the result would be meaningless. A one in a 100 chance of getting the match would simply not identify anybody.
In any case it's become clear from the time taken to do the "analysis" (less than 24 hours), and the lack of any laboratory account of what was done, that this DNA evidence is not true. For technical reasons sperm DNA must be isolated from the overwhelming background of victim DNA by chemical treatment. This treatment separates female from male DNA but it takes at least overnight to process, and then the actual DNA profile needs to be done. There was not enough time between collection and report of the "match" for this to really have been carried out.
EDIT: just as a follow up to what some have written above: it is of course quite feasible in a table that consists of 16 or so pairs of numbers to just type in whatever numbers you want. If the records of how the numbers were obtained are not made available for examination ( why would they not be? graphs from the sequencing machines are stored as digital files indefinitely and can be printed out at will to show the actual peaks giving the numbers listed in the table) there is no way to prove that the numbers weren't just written in as desired and based on nothing.
Finally a post that is authored by somebody who appears to have some real knowledge on DNA. Just as Jane Taupin does and the underlying theme is the same. The DNA is currently not credible evidence. A conviction for rape and murder in this case would need to rely soley on any other evidence the prosecution had presented. But the other evidence seems fragile at best. I do hope that an appeal happens and is successful.
British man found dead on Koh Tao
in Koh Samui News
Posted · Edited by cadmus
Once the body is returned then a further autopsy and then an inquest after the Thai authorities have sent their copy of the autopsy to the Brits. Seeing as theres no court case on this in Thailand which has delayed the inquest on HW then it should not take anywhere near as long but could still be months away. The Brits Nick Pearson Open Verdict decision was about a year after his death in Koh Tao.
As for no witnesses, well if it was the cleaners that found him then one presumes if there were witnesses they would have alerted somebody first and not just left him in the pool, unless they had something to hide.