Sexbomb

On 9/29/2019 at 7:58 AM, dcnx said:

Not everywhere issues a tor tor sam these days. Seems to be a city to city, bank to bank thing. I had a meltdown inside of Bangkok Bank in Chiang Mai a few year ago over this. After researching it seems to be the norm in some areas. They can’t get on the same page for anything in this place.

The rules has changed but the bak are required to issue an FET upon request.

A while back, the Bank of Thailand changed the rules so the bank does not have to issue a form per say (the old FET forms) but can write more of a letter saying the same.

Something I experienced just recently with a major bank in Bangkok and they even sent me the official guidelines issued by BoT.

9 minutes ago, Firefan said:

I hold the investment visa (when is was 3M Baht but grandfathered) and yes; you can combine condos/time deposit(s). When condo it is based on the tax paid during transfer amount, and since it is normal, and accepted to set the taxable amount value lower than the actual sales price (to save a bit there) - it is important to ensure one has the 10M as taxable value and/or top up with time deposit. Cheers! 

When you say "combine condos", do you also mean condos in different provinces?

May I ask where you get your extension(s) made?

14 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I have already posted the info that it does have to be in fixed deposit account. See post #10.

Did you open the webpage I posted a link to that is on the official Thai immigration website.

Clearly, with all due respect, I think that the original posters that you said was wrong, his/her definition of a bank account is like a current bank account and not a fixed deposit account don't you think?

MAJOR UPDATE!!

Recap:

I sent in all the documents online just as I did with my first registration to the BKK immigration office and did exactly the same and attached exactly the same on Sept 2, 2019 (see first post) for one of my condos in Pattaya.

Status since then:

Have gone in every day to check status and got the "Sent confirmation email" which I did not receive but just let it be.

Today Update (success!).

I went into my application again via the website and entered the same email yet again which is the same for all my applications.

As I did an update, I yet again had to attach the files which I did but this time I ADDED the Blue Book as "better to send them all".

Literally, within five minutes I received the confirmation email with the link that I clicked to confirm my email and, lo and behold, INSTANTLY I received log-ins (user, password) which I then changed successfully using only letters and numbers and no special characters.

I have no clue why this happened and if I did something that "triggered" the system into action but hopefully others can follow suit.

I have yet another condo to register in Pattaya and will keep people updated in a separate thread once I do if any interest from the readers.

5 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Especially as it's limited to new approved condos which rules out all good investment condos...

Off plan condos bought directly from the developer.

17 minutes ago, cerox said:

Interesting topic.

Would be nice to hear if anybody has real experience about combining 2-3 condo units which are in total above the 10M mark.

It is a really good option / alternative for Elite, because the money is not lost.

I am in the process but not immediately but have been in contact with many immigration lawyers to get consultation and I have very good indirect contacts with immigration.

They are combinable if you fulfill the rest of the requirements but I am still to find out if you can combine condos in different provinces.

I guess that will depend who sits in front of you when actually making the extension.....

14 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The immigration website and the police order state it is allowed and I am certain that there are people that have gotten the extension with only the 10 million or more in the bank.

 

I will not debate you on this but I think that you read things incorrectly.

I am very sure it is fixed deposits and so forth as per 3b below.

Fixed deposit defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_deposit

Pursuant to the Police Order, a foreigner is eligible for a renewable Investment Visa if such a foreigner has invested in Thailand and:

1) holds a non-immigrant visa (in other words, not a tourist visa); and

2) has evidence of transferring at least ten million Thai Baht into Thailand; and

3(a) has evidence — obtained from a relevant authority — showing investment in a legally defined condominium unit (either freehold or a 3-year or more leasehold) at a purchase price or a rent of at least ten million Thai Baht; or

3(b) has at least ten million Thai Baht in a fixed deposit account at a Thai bank whose share capital is majority Thai owned; or

3(c) has purchased and owns Thai government or Thai state enterprise bonds worth at least ten million Thai Baht.

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is only part of the web page I posted a link to (https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_5). This is shown further up on that page.

"(4) Must have evidence of investing in the form of a fixed deposit of no less than Baht 10 million
with a bank which is registered in Thailand and has Thai nationals holding more than 50 percent of
its shares; or"

I am pretty sure 10 MIL / THB wired in from abroad sitting in a regular bank account does not qualify for this type of extension.

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Number 5.

Note it can a combination of 4, 5 or 6 as well. 

I do believe that refers to fixed deposits of various kinds and/or similar.

Not cash in a bank account.

If that would be the case, then all other requirements would be futile don't you think?

Such as buying an off plan condo, holding it three years, etc when you can just wire money in and put on a bank account.

Money in the bank in a regular bank account is not much of an investment nor, and I am almost certain, does it qualify for an extension based on a 10MIL / THB investment.

35 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is not correct.

The 10 million baht can be in a bank account. From the page on the immigration website that I posted a link to.

"B. Investment of no less than Baht 10 million:
1. Application form
2. Copy of applicant’s passport
3. Copy of evidence showing a transfer of funds from a foreign country to a bank in Thailand
4. Copy of a condominium purchase agreement and a copy of the ownership registration of said
condominium issued by the government or relevant agency (in the case of purchase of a
condominium) or a copy of a long-term lease agreement; or
5. Funds deposit certificate issued by a bank and a copy of evidence of the funds deposit (only in
the case of investment in funds deposit); or
6. Copies of bond certificates (only in the case of investment in a purchase of government or state
enterprise bonds)"

Ubonjoe: where does it say that it can be "money in a bank account"?

I am asking as I have dug deep into this as I am in the process myself of getting such based on real estate.

If the definition of what we are talking about here is "money wired into a regular bank account in the amount of 10 MIL / THB" then your statement is not accurate unless I missed or misunderstood something.

A)

The money needs to be shown to be wired in from abroad.

B)

It needs to be invested in one of the mentioned instruments

C)

If investing in a condo, it needs to be directly from the developer and held for at least three years (or something like that from the top of my head).

Several condos can be combined to cover the 10MIL/THB requirement as long as they fulfill the 10 MIL / THB threshold in registered purchase price BUT some immigration officers say that condos in different provinces can't be combined which is not stated anywhere in the requirements.

1 minute ago, albertik said:

Sexbomb…. thanks for the info. Generally guests are there for 30 days, so really no need for them to visit the I.O. and get jammed up. I see that an extended stay could potentially pose a problem. On your idea that a guest might want to change from a tourist visa to something other i.e. extension of some sort is taken under advisement, at which time I will be sure to collect all the pertinent docs.  On tourist's exit, does immigration

at the airport look for TM 30 documentation?

To my knowledge they do not look at any TM30 for anyone at the airport but interesting that you should mention that.

What IF they one day decide to take a look at TM30 registrations at border crossings inbound and / or outbound to create another string of record, then what?

It is far fetched BUT, again, nothing really makes any sense in Thailand so suspect the unexpected hence my continued path on "over reporting" as some put it but I am not very keen to run into any problems down the road for things I could have done, when they should have been done, just to run into a dead end when that time comes because then it's too late to go back.

4 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

But immigration will refuse his extension if he doesnt have one, it soon becomes his problem.

Finally someone who sees the problem.

In other threads is always "skip it", "don't bother", "not your problem"......Well, it isn't a problem until it becomes a problem and then it's too late.

Update 2:

The day after my registration, I went in and checked status online and it was still the "Waiting for confirmation email" status for that particular condo in Pattaya.

Checking again today, the system has actually bundled my condo registration in Bangkok (success) with my newly sent in condo registration for my condo in Pattaya..

I guess that is made solely on passport nr as one can use various email addresses for different registrations even though I have used the same email for both registrations.

3 hours ago, albertik said:

Sexbomb, Thanks for all your input and info that you have provided.  In my case, my Thai wife is the owner of a condo located in another province far from where we reside. We occasionally rent out this property via a Thai caretaker who oversees the rental process. Since we are not physically there, it is next to impossible for us to get info (passport etc.) from the tenant, ergo, we cannot provide TM-30 data for the tenant.  So far, our Thai caretaker seems totally disinterested in assisting with this effort and as far as I can tell, more paperwork is required for him to do a report anyway.  I guess I must rely on the tenant reporting himself, as he surely must provide info about his whereabouts while he is in country. I'm still trying to work out this dilemma.

  Any constructive advise is welcome.

I guess if the tenant is farang, and stay longer periods of time, the tenant must have some kind of visa that requires extensions and it is usually (or only?) then things usually gets tricky.

If he/she, nor your wife, does a TM30 report on the farangs stay in your wifes condo, their visa extension might not be granted so it is in the tenants own interest to either a) give your wife the required documents so that she can report or b) the tenant sign up as a possessor.

What your wife also risk is a fine for not reporting as your wife is the owner of the condo.

If the farang is on a tourist visa, then your wife should be in the clear but one might ask what happens if that tourist visa are converted into another type of visa that requires extensions during his/her stay in your wifes condo.

It is a mess and therefor I am trying to do everything right despite the haters in here who might face a different reality over night all of a sudden as so many times before.

I think it is important that you explain to your guest the potential consequences of not sending you the required documentation.

Anyone with a Smartphone has a camera and to take pictures of what is needed takes no more than one minute tops.

If it is your wifes condo, I would personally insist on getting the guests contact data (phone, email) and make direct contact myself and bypass the Thai caretaker.

4 hours ago, newnative said:

Thanks.  It makes sense if you are going to be renting the condos.  

I would register for the TM30 online anyway even if I did not rent out.

It is better to have and not need than need and not have.

Doomsday stuff I know but knowing Thailand, anything can change over night and then you see all the panic in the threads.

36 minutes ago, newnative said:

Maybe I am missing something but if you own both condos how's Immigration going to know (or care) which condo you are staying at?

Frankly speaking, I am registering all my condos in Bangkok and Pattaya as I am renting them out and will add more condos soon.

Since I am registering them all, why not just play it safe and do as they want us to do? 

I.e over report your whereabouts.

I don't see today how they would know unless there is a surprise visit where I am registered and I am not there but that is far fetched.

But knowing Thailand, and feel free to mock me anyone who wants too, it is not a problem until it becomes a problem and then, in most cases, it is simply too late to do anything to rectify the problem with potentially dire consequences so why risk anything?

It is not that it takes an hour each time you report online?

It is not as I, in my case, will burn rubber daily between Pattaya and Bangkok and have to register daily.

It will be interesting to revisit this thread down the road should <deleted> hit the fan one way or another when something changes over night that affects the TM30 reporting in a way that affects people more negatively than today because I can see it becoming worse before it gets better.

6 minutes ago, ReLo said:

 

Hello,

 

Reading all these things about Tm30, I feel like to say thank you for the first time on this forum, because thanks to people like you who report and even over report themselves, people like me who never reported anything after so many years do not need to do it, as I am sure that people like you will keep immigration busy enough with all these stupid reports...

 

Thanks again !

 

Your irony in your post are a welcome edition by someone who hasn't contributed at all to ThaiVisa or given any helpful information at all on any level.

Haters will always be hatin' until the day some parameter changes over night and it hits you personally.

Then you read a huge amount of posts crying out but then it is too late.

I am merely trying to give a first hand narrative on my online TM30 registration(s) as a condo owner to help others in clear answers how to do it and what to attach to get the fastest possible approval.

So, if you don't have anything useful to post in this thread, find another place to hang out and make yourself useful somewhere else.

6 minutes ago, albertik said:

Excuse my ignorance but, does the TM 30 online app allow for an attachment  of your required docs?  i.e. passport pics, chanote, and purchase agreement?

I personally don't know as of yet.

I had to download the APK version of the app (not via Google Play) since I couldn't due to probable geo restrictions which, in itself, does not make any sense.

I haven't used it but I am very sure that it is a fully functional app for attachments or it would be rendered useless.

Reports say that the app is actually better than the web version but, having said that, the web version is horrible in itself ????

12 hours ago, zenplay said:

How long it takes to get login and password ?

Update 2:

Just did a status check online on the website and got a "Waiting for confirmation email" status.

No email as of yet and also making sure I check the spam-folder as it went to that very folder the last registration.

14 minutes ago, berybert said:

Check into a guest house with a lady in Pattaya then simply register back in Bangkok the following day.

You do not have to register out, only in.

True.

It's been a long day so did not think very clear on that one.

Anyway, the second registration for the condo in Pattaya will happen anyway and the thread is to update the progress.

17 minutes ago, berybert said:

Who would know you have spent the weekend in Pattaya and then gone back to Bangkok ? other than you no one. As long as you report back into your Bangkok condo after spending time either out of the country or elsewhere in Thailand, then there is nothing else to worry about. 

 

You have an excellent point and I have thought of that obviously.

Normally I would tend to agree with you. To h-ll with them.

But now I am thinking from a standing point of "doing everything right".

Let's say that I would go to Pattaya and check into a hotel with a lady and since they are chasing guest houses now in Pattaya with TM30 reporting, I might get reported.

What if they report me and the IO officer during next extension round sees that and say "you did not report that you left / arrived back in Bangkok and we can see that you have been in Pattaya."

In the above scenario, which might not be too far fetched in a not too distant future, I could be potentially be denied the extension of the IO officer in have that bad hair day.

So why even give them the possibility of giving them any ammunition that they can use against you?

UPDATE 1:

Managed to sign up using the online form on the web and attaching the four (4) files I mentioned in my initial post in this thread.

Got "successful" message and now I will await the confirmation email.

There are some reports that after checking online status , which I did a few times in my first registration, they received the user / password soon after even though they had waited a long time to receive it so I will do that the coming days on and off.

Just now, gunderhill said:

Of  course, same here but I "don't bank on it"

Like I said, you can't bank on anything in Thailand but you can do as much as possible to actually keep your back in the clear.

Over and out on that topic now.

Just now, gunderhill said:

Got  plenty of real estate here also 8 condos alone in Bangkok, leave it  all to the Wife to  deal with, I expect total bs at  all  times, you think you've got everything  covered then they'll  just move or re invent  the goal posts.

TM30 if they want to find something wrong, they will, online or up country.

There is a danger to leaving everything to "the wife", "the girlfriend" and so on which is quite obvious.

I am generalizing so don't take it personally but I rather learn myself and do it myself instead of being depending on others.

I know people living in Thailand for many years and they have no clue on how to do anything except pay a bill at 7/11.

But I will stay on my path and do what I can do to keep my back in the clear.

Can they pull a rabbit out of the hat? I am sure they can.

Can I minimize the risk of them pulling out that rabbit? I sure can.