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6 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

The kicker in this case is a thug. 

No disagreement in that he behaved like a thug. In my experience and reading, "thug" has normally referenced a criminal type, especially who is part of a group or gang. That's why I referred to the punks in this report as thugs and referred to the Swiss guy simply as an idiot. But yes, he was behaving thuggish for sure.

13 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Thai people actually getting arrested for crimes against foreigners. How many of you complainers does this prove wrong? Doesn't matter because you're not the sort that ever admits to being wrong, that would spoil the fun of complaining. 

Definitely agree that there is a ridiculous amount of complaining that goes on in this forum. It gets downright toxic far too often. In this case, Thais being arrested for what could essentially amount to attempted murder, shouldn't be anything in particular to be touting as something so special that someone actually got arrested. I think people equate things like an idiot kicking a lady in the back and leaving a bit of a red mark (which could easily be left by a slight scuffing of the fabric against the skin, especially a lady's softer more sensitive skin) and having the aggressor's face and business paraded all over the place as worthy of complaining to a case against when thugs like these may get arrested, but the town will likely hardly care and they won't have their places of work or businesses publicized and there won't be protests in the streets to have them put away for a good long time, even though they actually put lives in danger over a situation similar to the Swiss guy - someone wanted someone to move. The Thais endangered human lives. The Swiss guy committed a simple assault with hardly any danger more than maybe the possibility of breaking a fingernail and an ego. The outcome between the two are hardly comparable for the level of the results among the public and media.
Of course, that's just one example. But I think that's the gist of why so many make harshly negative remarks on this sort of thing. So, in this case, I would say it is more justified. Whereas very often, I agree that the complaining and racist sorts of remarks get ridiculous. Your rant is justified on many threads in this forum, but in this thread, I think you more or less went the same route as those complainers.

13 hours ago, NemoH said:

The victims honked n got out of their cars to confront their attackers? 

Either the victims were drunk n foolhardy or they were simply arrogant n looking for a fight. 🤣🤣 so the victims lost n now claim to be victimised… 

I will have more sympathy if the victims had remained in their car n were attacked for no reason. 

"Phi and Shi then got out of their SUV and asked Rattaphum and their friends to move."
That equates to confronting?
Drunk and foolhardy or arrogant? Not sure how you come to that conclusion. How about they needed to get somewhere and they saw that the car ahead of them could move, but maybe its occupants were playing water fights with people on the street instead? Who knows.... The two foreigners may have been perfectly polite. They may not have been polite. We don't know. But either way, being asked to move politely or rudely is not a reason for attempting to kill someone. Stabbing is a hell of a lot more serious than a many people seem to think. You imply that they had a reason to try to kill these guys. That's pretty extreme. They may have had an excuse, but nothing remotely close to a reason that anyone can possibly reasonably conclude from this article.

15 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

We know it's unethical, but it is impossible to change this system, it's in their DNA.

 

It is rotten to the core.

 

This Deputy PM, who doubles up as interior minister had decided and made his decision on the matter of the Swiss guy.

 

So, it's game over, and he has more or less announced that by saying ' Go home and don't waste your time on an appeal '

 

The Swiss guy's goose is cooked as far as ever operating that business again and whatever other restrictions are put on him depending on, and decided by the courts regarding re-entry.

 

I think we can be fairly certain phone calls by influential figures will be made to the Judge handling the case too, rightly or wrongly.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't doubt any of that. I just can't figure out why you responded to my comment, seeming like you were saying something in contrast to it, yet there is no contrast....

On 4/13/2024 at 5:44 AM, billd766 said:

Anutin is a politician. Ethics are ethics.

 

Ethics and politicians are rarely found inhabiting the same space, in any country.

Yeah, sort of like how you know they're lying when their lips move....
But they should still be held to account as much as possible, which isn't much.

10 minutes ago, transam said:

It is not a nightmare for the aggrieved and her farangy partner....🤗

 

Any of us, in the Land of Smiles, should think first, before lashing out, especially a farangy with business interests...........

On the contrary, I think it must be a nightmare for them. But, they made their bed, so they get to sleep in it, even if it is worse than it should be.

Yes, absolutely, and even regardless of being a farang and in a foreign country, or with business interests, any person should think first before lashing out. And it's HIGHLY likely that lashing out in the form of a kick or even an offensive gesture or words is not the best way of dealing with just about anything, let alone someone resting on some stairs. That guy, and his wife, clearly think far too much of themselves, as does the doctor. There's a saying, something to the effect of "A gentle answer turns away wrath." I think there's a lot of truth in that. And I think it can equally apply to being a gentle request, not only answer. Starting off with a kick is bizarre, to say the least.

On 4/13/2024 at 2:00 AM, vinny41 said:

I don't believe it will make any difference, The judge will decided on the evidence put in front of the court

It would be impossible to believe that the Judge wouldn't be aware of the case via media and social media  but once again they will decide on the evidence put in front of the court

It doesn't matter what any of us believe. The point is that it is well understood that very powerful politician's statements are known to be very capable to bring prejudice to cases before courts. And it is internationally understood to be out of bounds.
These bureaucrats feed each other politically and that often brings real world results in terms of kickbacks, gifts, international vacations at 5 star resorts, extra padding to retirement, land deals, stock deals, children and grandchildren's admission to top private schools, universities and careers... and on and on it goes. Going against a powerful politician may possibly not bode well. And that's only that aspect of things, not to mention the psychological factors that are not easily measured. I think your view is naive in the extreme. If you ever had any experience in politics, you'd likely think differently.

On 4/13/2024 at 1:53 AM, Scouse123 said:

 

 

I hope you were not under the misguided impression that one would obtain justice in Thailand.

Of course not. The probability is low to begin with, and in this case, nonexistent.
What does that have to do with the fact that it is completely unethical?

On 4/13/2024 at 1:37 AM, transam said:

In LOS Doctors are looked up too, a man putting their foot on a lady here is also frowned upon. 

So, Lady Doctor + foot + Mr. Angry farangy = Trouble.......🤭

Yes, of course. But it still is abnormal for it to be blown so far out of proportion, even with it being a doctor, and should have been dealt with in the police station. Yeah, it would have been more expensive than usual, but the police could likely have persuaded her, but more than likely they were in fear of getting in trouble from some stupid, outsized ego, doctor. They had no balls to get it done, kowtowed to the doctor, and it became a nightmare. I'd be willing to place a wager that her ego is off the charts. The situation has become completely absurd.

5 minutes ago, transam said:

The shop lady was not a Doctor...........🤗

Yes, exactly. And showing all the more how unreasonable this has become due to influence, hatred, and corruption.

7 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

No, making a clear denunciation against bribery attempts and undue influence was quite ethical. As Fehr is attempting to appeal his visa revocation, a very strong warning that it will be useless seems helpful so that Fehr needn't waste legal fees and get his hopes up. The prosecution and judge will be constrained by law as to the penalties they may apply. And there is enough evidence for a court hearing.

 

So, wait and see.

 

 

That wasn't what was being referred to....
It was about his opinion being pronounced publicly that he should leave the country.  The headline....

5 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I don't think Thailand has jury trials - so there is no jury to taint.  That is the main issue with fair trials is that they can make it unfair if you cannot seat a jury that is unbias... in countries with rights to jury trials you have to be more careful.  I believe Singapore has a 3 judge system... here, I am not sure but I have not heard of juries.

Who said anything about a jury? You seriously don't think judges can be persuaded, especially in such a phenomenally corrupt political system???????😯🥴

4 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Not if the victim chooses to press charges, as they have the right to do. I think she's thoroughly PO'd at being treated like a dog by this arrogant foreign pr*ck. Can't say that I blame her.

Yes, of course, there are always occasions out of the ordinary. I was talking about the typical situation. And even he being "PO'd" like this, the police can be very persuasive, IF they want to be. I don't imagine the pregnant lady was any less PO'd at being kicked the other day.... No big media uproar, protests, and Anutin interference on that one....
I don't blame her either. But it is way out of hand at this point. It's a very simple assault case. Nothing that doesn't happen every single day in every small city.

4 minutes ago, Clarkey611 said:

What about the Russian who was "punished" with a fine for kicking the pregnant Thai lady? Any comment from a nut in charge on that one or is he waiting to top up his Swiss bank account?

He may have closed his Swiss accounts after not being allowed a visit🤣
Singapore is closer to home anyway. Many Burma Army Generals bank there... He may have decided to keep his money closer to home. Or maybe not... The Cayman Islands, Luxembourg, or Monaco might be quite nice places to visit too.😅

4 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Message is irrelevant, courts are a different branch (in this case not co-equal but in many ways superior to the legislative branch).  

Being a different branch of government has nothing to do with it. You seriously have never heard the uproar when a President or a Prime Minister (or other high ranking official, like maybe an Interior Minister....) makes a comment on a pending court case that is creating a stir in the public??? It happens on occasion and is always (except maybe in countries like Thailand?) met with immediate reproval from many quarters, except maybe the idiot's own partisan political party hacks. It is irresponsible and unethical, full stop.

3 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

It's because his actions also caused social unrest, hundreds of people protesting against him and what he did. Thailand doesn't need or want mobs protesting. Also, he tried to circumvent justice by using his and his wife's influence and wealth. When hundreds of Thai get upset of what you do, you can expect more than a slap on the wrist. A 1,000 baht fine for Fehr is nothing, his company, co-owed by his wife, had revenue exceeding 40,000,000 baht last year.

 

 

You are talking about stuff that all happened after the apology and "fine" would have been paid at the police station on the day of the incident. Apples and oranges don't compare well. Of course his and the doctor's wealth and societal standing play a role and that's why I qualified what I said about the compensatory amount. It doesn't really matter what the revenue of his company was when they are in the police station negotiating. That is, again, all stuff that wouldn't be known until the doctor and farang hating media idiots got a hold of the story and created social unrest over it.

1 minute ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I heard him say he wanted him to LEAVE - not anything about the outcome of the trial (assuming he stays). 

You don't think the message is clear from that?🤔

41 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

visa revocation is a separate issue and doesn't come under the court's remit

Court's remit is he guilty of assault or not

Here someone else that got told to go for else and no court case

Gary Glitter given 'unconditional' deadline to leave Thailand

The former rock star Gary Glitter is being forced to leave Thailand because he poses a “threat to domestic morality”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/2590974/Gary-Glitter-given-unconditional-deadline-to-leave-Thailand.html

Being separate issues is all fine and good. That doesn't mean a  very powerful politician's statements won't bring prejudice to cases before courts. I believe that's the point.

1 hour ago, Carlotta said:

The Swiss lived long enough in Thailand to know the culture, rules and laws. There are NO excuses for his behaviour. Now please 1. Compensation, 2. Jail, 3. Ban, 4. Outta!!! Never come back. ...and take his assets maybe too.🙏 Anutin's statement is just the mainstream. So what?

From what I frequently read in this forum re Thai men, it seems like he knows the culture well enough and was behaving along with lowbrow Thai male behaviour, so why should his penalty be so tremendously much more than it would be for a Thai? I'd be very surprised to hear if a Thai man had to pay more than 500-1,000 (maybe a little more since they both have money and inflated egos to go with it) with a deep wai and apology for such a simple issue. Is that considered an excuse? It isn't an excuse for his behaviour, but it should be reasoning to appeal to logical, even handed treatment by the authorities.
Whether Anutin's statement is mainstream or not is another story. But I have words for Anutin that would be better not to put into print.

3 hours ago, Goat said:

Exploiting elephant cruelty for profit, paying money under the table.

What's not fitting with Thainess about that? That's the way of the culture for decades upon decades....

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

Im not sure what is correct, but always heard they pay to get their position. 

One way of the other, pay with monetary instruments or complete fealty, either one or both work fine, I'm sure.