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Prime Minister Stefan Löfven and the Social Democrats party might be heading for one of the most catastrophic elections since the 1940’s, losing foothold in cities unimaginable only 2-3 years ago. The party’s left-wing politics has been stronger in Sweden than in almost any other country since its parliamentary-democratic breakthrough in 1917, but now the era of the left might be coming to an end. Throughout the summer, a spectacular rise in support for far-right Sweden Democrats has seen the party gaining ground with their eurosceptic and anti-immigration policies.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1014920/Sweden-election-2018-All-you-need-to-know-ahead-of-the-vote-Sweden-news-Sweden-Democrats

 

My BIL lives in Sweden and what this article says, and all the others, are in his words 'Fake News'.  Swedes are not against immigration. The reality is that Swedes have had enough of bad immigrants who are committing so much crime and social disharmony, and they have had enough of a Government that refuses to do anything about it because of left-wing PC lunacy, and they have had a gutful of the EU demanding that they take more and more of them, and they see what has happened in the UK and they want out of the EU too.  How many Swedes will rise up and vote for change, we will see in a few hours - hopefully it is enough to 'take Sweden back'.

 

 

Because of all this 'media negativity' about Pensions and Super, it is great that both the main political Parties will now be ‘pitching’ their elections at trying to get the aged vote (55+).  It has been a long time since the Libs gave a rat’s rear about the older generation who dont have $1M+ in Super, plus a rental property (or 2+) that they negatively geared for 20+ years.  Labor will now be offering ‘sweeties’ to get more of us to ‘convert’ and to vote for them, and making great capital of the fact that it was them that rejected the Pension going out to 70.  The Liberals (having now recognised that we are pee’d off) will be offering more ‘incentives’ to try to hang on to what has been for a long time, their base supporting voters. All good.

 

Which brings me to the main point of my post, and that is the views previously by some TV members that the Age Pension and associated benefits should not be seen as a ‘right’ or an ‘entitlement’ paid for by working and paying taxes. That view is wrong - I always knew it was wrong, and so I did some research to prove that it is wrong.  The Age Pension in Aust and the associated benefits, is a ‘right’ - paid for through income taxes – fact.

 

 

 

If anyone wants to know what young stupid 'university educated' liberals look like, view these pictures.

 

Once they get back home they will undoubtedly become SJWs, and some might even progress to Antifa.

 

 

  

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Reasons / opinions whatever, you will reject them anyway so why bother.

I stopped reading at 'why bother' - you sound like my teenage daughter when she was going through 'that' phase.

 

Lets agree to not bother each other anymore.

 

10 hours ago, simple1 said:

I have given my reasons, you reject them. Why do I push back on those calling the hard right 'patriots' and other nonsense, my complete rejection of hard right ideology.

 

You are Australian, why are you not listening to our national security, plus other Western governments not dominated by hard right populist ideology,  professionals who clearly state hard right divisive social media does not assist against Islamist extremism, criminality and so on.

 

Have you ever thought about why so many on this forum have attempted to excuse the behaviour of

far right demonstrators in the OP, use the language of the far right, keep liking each others all encompassing vilification posts and then deny they are enablers - LOL

You  have  not  given  any  reasons.

 

You have given opinions (and emotional criticisms).

 

There are none so blind .............  but thankfully, and every day, more liberals do get woke and they #walkaway.

 

 

The facts of an issue being complained about, and the truth of a subject being raised, are completely irrelevant to who is making the complaint or raising the issue.

 

Liberals extremists will dispute anything a 'conservative' or 'far right' person says or does - as observed in Germany - whether the facts back it, or the truth supports it.

That is the quintessential difference between those liberals that have #walkedaway from liberal dogma, and those that remain emotional and irrational.

It doesn't mean they become conservatives, it means they think each issue for themselves and make their own opinions - such as the immigration problems in Germany.

 

Extremist liberals 'demand' that anything critical of their dogma is denounced as the views of a Nazi (a far right white supremacist) - as they portray the German protesters to be.

They portray them as this 'label' in order to justify their own intellectual dogma and to 'prove' that what they said/did is wrong.

They play the man, and not the ball - they think emotionally and they allow those emotions to be 'directed' by other liberals (especially academics).

 

To give a clear example of that extremist liberal views stopping them from making rational decisions:

The Nazi Government in Germany was not all bad. 

Liberal extremists just imploded - by I ask them to read below and to #walkaway.

 

The Nazi Government in Germany was truly evil and had to be destroyed.  But they were also the first Government in the world to introduce Laws that protected the environment (National Parks) and the first to make Laws that provided animal rights (Making Cruelty/Killing Illegal).  Not everything they did was evil - most was - but not all.

 

As I stated above - it does not matter who is saying it or who is doing it - what matters are the facts and the truth - case by case, issue by issue.

 

12 hours ago, simple1 said:

Get over yourself with relentless denials / deflections. Your & others similar posts are classic copy and paste of far right / right of centre / alt right rhetoric. Not claiming you have, but in some cases on TV going as far as applauding deaths at sea of asylum seekers, invoking genocide of Muslims and so on, Mutual 'liking' of OTT anti Muslim / asylum seeker content etc i.e. today's far right propaganda which does include generalised vicious anti migrant content. Numerous examples of far right propaganda in this topic from the same  members who post vilification posts of all Muslims, yet, except for a one or two, always deny the origin of their content.

 

Getting back to the OP, German Police are now seeking some of the far demonstrators for illegal activity i.e. Nazi salutes. Plus many used Nazi era slogans. Not claiming all were active neo-Nazis, but obviously mixing in the same cesspit.

 Fail.  F-  

Try again - instead of abusing myself and stating that what I wrote is wrong, try something different.

 

Try writing down clearly (articulate) the reasons and the rationale behind your opinions. 

Give me (and everyone) everyone some logical reasons for your viewpoint.

 

The reason you did not do that is provided in my previous response to you - irrational liberal emotions dominate your thinking. 

Have a close read and see that I have not 'demanded' that you agree with me/conservatives. 

I have merely asked you to think for yourself and to articulate those thoughts and reasons, in order to defend your opinions.

I say again it again -  think for yourself and #walkaway from the liberal 'mantra' you follow - walk your own path.

 

51 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Again look at current definitions of 'far right". Some members commentary precisely, including yours, fall under the definition/s. Accusing me of supporting 'fake immigrants' is a complete lie. 

 

You are using the same tactics you accuse people of using who reject your politics, from the left (which I am not) and so on i.e. attempting to stifle / censor their opinions - time for you to wake up, as well as cease making false accusations against members.

Listen to what you said Simple One - "look at current definitions of 'far right"  "commentary precisely, including yours, fall under the definition/s"

 

You are completely locked into the belief that whatever a liberal academic defines as something, is that something.

 

Reality - because a liberal academic says something or defines something, does not make it so simple one.

Reality - because you can quote what an academic wrote, does not mean that you or the academic are correct simple one.

 

You are wrong to use the views of academics as any sort of factual evidence that your own correlating views are therefore correct.

If you cannot defend your own opinions with your own articulated and reasoned thoughts, then your views are invalid - typically this means they are based on emotions and not reasons.

 

There is still time for you simple one, all you have to do is assess the facts impassionately and impartially, and then form your own views and opinions.

As the twitter trending statement of the month/year says:  #walkaway  Get wise to the liberal hypocrisy and unreasoned views and get #woke and #walkaway

 

 

This is probably as good a time and place as anywhere to speak about what the liberals are trying to stop people talking about.

This issue of people protesting in the streets in Germany against the apparent and real culture clash that is occuring all over Europe is not as simple a 'racist' issue as liberals believe.

 

As someone that has been around a long time, I am well aware of the inherent distrust (racist) views of those people living in a country towards those people who come to that country.

I copped a bit of that 'grief' as a Pommie Bast^^^d  when we migrated to Australia as a young boy.

Then it was myself and others who gave that the the Greeks and Italians and Lebanese when those waves arrived.

 

But I was impartial when that grief was then later given to the Vietnamese and Cambodians and other Asians when that wave arrived.

The reason was that I had come to learn that these 'different' cultures actually added to Australias cultures, and although some adults resisted, their children became 'Aussies'.

The truth became very clear to me as the children of the immigrants (like mine) became full on Aussies.

It was to varying degress, but overall each wave 'integrated' and 'changed' Aussie culture - and although aware of their past and customs, their children became more Aussie than not.

We even had shows like WogBoy and My Greek Wedding where we ridiculed and laughed at the inflexible differences of the parents on both sides.

 

However, I have seen another wave of immigration that has not undertaken this change, and much of that wave has made very little progress at 'integration'.

And it is not a wave of people from a different culture/country, it is a wave from a different religion - Islam.

Aside from some certain countries, the majority of the children and their children's children are refusing to to integrate or adjust to western culture and values.

This is creating a huge discontent - on both sides - and it is the heart of the problem - the absolute refusal to accept western culture, values and rules/laws.

This then goes to the next level when many demand to be able to live in enclaves where western rules and laws do not apply - causing even further discontent.

 

And no matter how bad it became in the past between any of the waves of immigrants to the west and the 'locals', none of them committed acts of terrorism against innocent locals. 

And none of them demanded the locals change their laws and rules to accomodate their different religiously based social, family and society values.

And none of them actively preached to their own people that the west was decendant and evil and should be 'changed'.

And I cannot remember the mayor of any wave changing things because it offended that wave's values (London Mayor banning pictures of girls in bikinis).

 

But it is not from all countries that the people of this religion are unaccepting of the 'live and let live' mantra and are completely unwilling to adjust.

People of certain countries that do hold that religion are actually adjusting and integrating - such as from Pakistan - as they share some common understandings (eg. cricket).

But most of this wave is coming from countries that do not hold those understandings, and they refuse to adjust and integrate, and their children and their children never will.

 

That is the core of the problem - immigration is about leaving the values of another country and embracing and accepting (as much as possible) the values of the new one.

That is what all the previous waves of immigration to the west did eventually - all to different levels and all over different times/generations - but they all do it eventually.

 

This integrationa and adjustment is not possible for most of this wave of immigrants to the west, as they see their country, their culture and their religion as the same thing.

We in the west have seperated Church and State and Laws - but the current wave of people immigrating to the west have not and will not make such a seperation.

The truth is we are expecting too much of them to do that, and they are more and more resenting being expected to do that, and some are becoming more radical.

They actively and forcefully impose their religious values upon their families and children, as was done to themselves - it is the way the religion works - it encompasses all things.

 

This is the reality that most liberals refuse to acknowledge - they see all negatives and complaints as racist - they cannot see the difference.

They cannot see that most of this wave of 'religious immigrants' will not (and cannot) undertake the same change that previous immigration waves did.

 

And it is foolish to expect the locals to continually accept this patiently and wait for them to adjust and to change and to accept their values.

The reality is that this is not the same as was the case with immigrants in the past - many years and several generations have shown this to be the truth.

And history has shown this to be the truth too.

Does anyone really think that the Asian peoples in Indonesia and Malaysia 'naturally' changed to another religion - they were 'converted'.

Does anyone really believe that the peoples of Indonesia and Malaysia within a few hundred years gave up a religion that was in place for over 2000 years.

Does anyone know of a country that has been 'taken over' by Islam that has then changed to another religion 'naturally' - it has never happened - they have to be driven out.

 

Whilst the left wing liberals are happy to accept these ongoing and growing problems as merely 'teething issues, more and more people are not.

More and more people are beginning to see that immigration needs to be controlled and all applicants vetted to ensure they are 'compatible'.

At what point do you think that the Muslim immigrants to Malaysia (and then Indonesia) were of enough numbers to 'convert' the country - 40%?  50%?  60%?

 

That is what Germans and others are protesting about - that is the core of their fears - that their culture and society will go the way of Malysia and Indonesia.

There is enough remaining in European memories to remember that this is what happened to Italy and Spain - until the Muslims were driven out.

They fear that most Muslims cannot peacefully coexist with other cultures, and that once they get to a certain percentage they will attempt to take over.

What happened in India when the Muslims and the Hindus/Sikhs formed their own countries (India and Pakistan) is what many people fear in Europe.  

 

Shutting down those expressions of fear as being xenophobic and using PC pressure is no longer working - social media is allowing people to speak out.

The people of Europe and the west want to see concrete and real solutions to this growing problem - they are refusing to be 'shut down' anymore.

Unless the western Govts of today acknowledge the issue and address it with real solutions, then the 'real' far right will take advantage and continue to drive violence and change.

Far better it would be for the western Govts to address the 'elephant in the room' before it gets seriously out of hand - vigilantees will be just the beginning otherwise.

 

45 minutes ago, simple1 said:

No misunderstanding by me. To quote from your reference  point...

Markus Frohnmaier said: "If the state is no longer to protect citizens then people take to the streets and protect themselves. It's as simple as that!"

Poland an example of good governance - <deleted>

You are yet another liberal apologist for fake immigrants who are causing concerns all over Europe (that let them in).

And you really should wake up to this reality before your deranged statements get taken too far.

 

All over Europe there is a massive swing to 'the right' politically - it is happening and trying to insult people by calling them 'far right' etc is not working.

And all attempts by liberal acadenmics and their sycophants to claim that this is only neo-Nazi white supremisists is failing.

Those attempts to use PC to shut down the negative comments (and views of people) are failing because the truth is clear - to those that live there or have relatives there.

 

There are 'far right' Naxi supremisists who will try tand take advantage of this move, but the vast majority of us do not hold with their racist Nazi views.

Likewise there are 'far left Communists who will take advantage of any social welfare views, but the majority of left wing supporters do not want Communism.

 

Today is Tuesday - and just because a racist nazi white supremist says that it is Tuesday, does not mean that it is wrong.

 

Far right? Or just ordinary Germans sick and tired of being attacked by Merkel's welcomed immigrants?

 

Same thing is happening all over Europe, where ever these people were allowed to enter en-mass.

 

No protests in Poland.