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I didn't know we had this range function - was it always there and I did not notice? or did they sneak this in with a recent map update?

Its not very helpful for the charging stations as there are way too few - but it is a start.

Xpeng CEO says he welcomes Tesla to bring FSD to China

https://cnevpost.com/2024/04/29/xpeng-ceo-welcomes-tesla-fsd-china/

The Chinese EV industry welcomes any competition enthusiastically, conversely - US and European car companies are petrified of the Chinese competing in their markets, how odd!

'Tesla has great autonomous driving technology and brand, and only with the entry of more good products and technology can the whole market and customers have a better experience, Xpeng CEO said.'

What an odd concept to think that additional competition will benefit the customer - that is hilarious! As some posters on here cant repeat enough, they rather pay companies to enrich themselves instead of taking advantage of the rapidly expanding attractive products from China.

Yup - TSLA up 11%..........on a wing and a prayer!

1 minute ago, macahoom said:

 

What do you mean by this?

Lets say you want to go from BKK to Krabi - how often and where do you recharge?

Or for that matter any trip that pushes the range boundary, the car should offer several ideal scenarios for fastest re-charge vs. travel time optimizations. To no one's surprise, Tesla is the gold standard for this, but many other cars do quite well, too. BYD offers a black hole.

Then there is this:  https://x.com/TaylorOgan/status/1783350198502388174

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16 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I suspect 8 stalls at 200kw is not possible without upgrading the supply, perhaps they are waiting on that, how many stalls were occupied?

Together with our BYD - there were 5 cars hooked up for charging.

15 hours ago, Pib said:

 Can you expand on how the "...pre-paid function...." in the Spark app works....specifically how it works?   

 

That is, do you mean the Spark app has a Wallet you need to top-up first and then the charging cost is deduct from the app Wallet.    If so, what payment options are offered to top-up?...such as QR Payment, credit/debit card, etc?    If a Thai credit/debit card "only" is allowed to pay/top-up/etc., then that can many times be problematic if a person can get their credit/debit card accepted by the charging app.  Thanks.

Affirmative - it is sort of a single purpose wallet. See payment methods below........ not sure how common Alipay is in Thailand?

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I wouldn’t classify HEV’s as EV’s unless they are PHEV’s.

 

HEV’s are ICE vehicles with some clever marketing gimmick that give some improvement in mpg around town, but none on a longer run. The consumer often has no choice between ICE or HEV.

You couldn’t be more wrong when you say Thailand is behind the curve on charging stations, we have lots of them and Thailand is one of the leading countries in the world and THE leading country in Asia.

 

Most people on a long run don’t stop for more than 30-40 minutes at a charging station. It’s a non-issue.

I disagree - 30 - 40 minutes charging time is an issue once the novelty wears off, especially compared to a Diesel SUV that runs for 800 km and is refueled in around 5 - 7 minutes.

Just for giggles, I went downtown to check on a new 'Spark' EV charging installation advertised as 200 kW. 8 stalls, very user friendly due to the pre-paid function: plug-in, QR scan - charging starts. The battery was at 48%, max charging was 80 kW. This got to be a joke, and a bad one at that!

Maybe Thailand is a trail-blazer in EV charger density, but if charging speed is maxed out at such low power levels, people will not switch to BEV's! 150 kW reliably, regardless of how many stalls are occupied, and we can talk. If this is not possible, the enthusiasm for BEV's will very quickly sour for the average Joe.

Watch and weep....... the Chinese software is much more advanced and useful than what we get!

Or another one - when do we get NFC for unlocking?

https://youtu.be/g4u4f2EFGqQ?si=7-AFWtOMxrBtJJ30

How to make the Seal Performance into a mileage champ: 

36 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Currently, I agree.

 

I don't consider HEV to be EV's, they are a useful gadget to reduce fuel consumption around town, most of them don't have an EV mode.

I agree - HEV's are a marketing tool at best. I remember on HWY's in CA, the carpool lane was crowded with Prius'es sailing down the road at 70 MPH - there was absolutely no benefit whatsoever for the hybrids....... alas, they were permitted to use the carpool lane as single occupant vehicles, and that made them immensely popular. Of course, in the owners twisted logic, they claimed stellar fuel efficiency, which is absolutely not the case. What helped the Prius fuel efficiency was light weight, skinny tires specially designed for low consumption, small, fuel efficient engine, and good aerodynamics - all attributes that could be done on a regular car, too.

For stop and go traffic in cities, hybrids do have tangible benefits.

Oh - I almost forgot, 'Prius' was also code for slow moving cars...... so any car on the road that held up a Sunday canyon run for us car crazies was called 'Prius' - even if it was a Porsche or Ferrari. 🤪🤣

6 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

My cumulative is 13.7 kWh/100 km, my past 50 km is 12.6 kWh/100 km as I slowed when the 10% red lettering and warning popped up ( vaguely recalling the post about range disappearing rapidly below 10% ).

 

The point of my post being where does the Dynamic range setting get its figures from ?

That brings tears to my eyes....... my cumulative is 18 kWh/100 km (6,100 km total)

The last 50 km is just for teasing, it yoyo's up and down, I could never make out what exactly is calculated there.

But you are right, the second motor is a very expensive toy -  but isn't that the very definition of big boys toys..........lol

49 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

How accurate is the Dynamic range setting ??

Okay it has to be better than the NEDC I hear you say but tbh mine is not much better !!

 

What is the criteria for the Dynamic range setting ??, is it updated instantly or every 10, 50, 100 km’s ?

 

So, in the past I have mentally calculated the range setting v the actual mileage driven on a 210 km  highway drive that I frequently undertake and under normal driving conditions ( my driving) 210 km will take 260 km off my range ( that range figure became 189 km when hit a huge stretch of stop and go ) , speed being the major factor.

 

Yesterday, I decided to do a longer test( mainly highways with a small amount of city traffic).

Starting at 100% battery and a “ range “ of 653 km i embarked upon a trip there and back and got back home with 8% battery and 47 km range left.

Equating to 0-100% battery of 530 km actual driving re a 653 km guessometer reading ( around 82% accuracy ).

 

Nothing unusual about that you say but when charging back home overnight to 100% it gives me 644 km range on the Dynamic range guessometer !!

Why not 530 km ??

 

My conclusion is that the Dynamic range isn’t giving me the range to continue driving as per my recent trip but giving me the range possible albeit slightly adjusted ( never got below 650 km before ) but even that is confusing as the last 50 km back home were at a lesser speed when I saw the % getting low.

 

So, what is the criteria of giving me a lower than normal 100 % range this morning ??

 

So in conclusion ( again ) the Dynamic range setting is not much better than the NEDC only they give random numbers to make you think it is helpful ??

 

I will add that this is lower than my previous 580-590 km range claim but possibly due to 4 adults + 1 kid v 2 Adults and sometimes 2 anorexic teenagers, 40° temps in Nakhon Sawan meaning higher air con settings and me showing off my acceleration/overtaking prowess at the start until berated by Mrs D !

Stop complaining - at least you get over 500 km of range, with the AWD model only a female driver will get over 450 km  🤪

On a more serious note - what is your total kWh/100 km reading?

BYD Seal AWD: Another trip to BKK, total distance run: 425 km; remaining battery: 7% or 35 km - so realistically, the max range is 450 km max. (my wife would probably do +5%)

Parameters: 95% of time 2 people, about 25 km with 3 on board. Temperature: outside of BKK and suburbs, around 34C, in the city 37C (per BYD gauge) speed outside city: max 120 km/h, most of the time around 110 to 115; driving mode setting: normal

Conclusion: the range is OK, but I would not want to have any less; the non AWD model is the more sensible selection....... but could I really live without the ooommp on occasion?  😁

On a totally different subject: Am I the only one who finds the 'two blink' one touch turn signal very odd, if not to say nonsense? I have had this feature on every car going back over 20 years, all car had 3 blink one touch turn signals.......... what's up with BYD? Are all BYD models like this?

52 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't get out of the car when at charging stations.  Someone has to unlock & lock the car, beside, all but 1 app is on the wife's phone.   

 

She has no problem plugging in, as I see many ladies doing the same when we're charging.

You are charging at 500 kW super-charging stations?

Thought so..........  🤣

I once went to a 150 kW DC fast charger, the cable was already quite hefty, so a 500 kW water cooled cable is probably pretty nutty.

This is a sample:

at 400 V and 500 A it's 200 kW

at 800 V and 500 A it's 400 kW

at 1,000 V and 500 A it's 500 kW

3 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

The point is surely that if you are down to 50 km range in an ICE, there are filling stations everywhere and it takes 5 mins to fill the tank. The speed at which a car gets filled with petrol doesn't vary very much.

 

If you're down to 50 km range in an EV, it can take some planning to find an available fast charger and 45-60 mins to charge to 100% (especially when the high speed 150 kw or whatever chargers share that 150 kw among however many cars are plugged in, so could be you get a much lower charging rate). 

 

None of this matters if you don't need to make an immediate longer journey, of course, but it's still an area where I think EVs fall behind ICE. That may of course change with newer battery and charging tech.

 

EV depreciation is also untested waters in Thailand. But logic says why would someone want to buy an EV with, say, a 5-year old battery? Nothing to do with whether it doesn't hold charge as well as when new - much more to do with 'today's 60 kwh / 90 kw max charge rate' battery will likely, in 5 years, be as outdated as a 5-year old laptop or phone. They all still work fine, but the spec on new has advanced massively. 

 

In comparison, a 5-year old IC engine won't be massively improved upon by whatever is available 5 years from now.

 

So today's EVs will likely depreciate way more than an equivalent ICE. May matter to some people.

 

Don't get me wrong - I bought an Atto 3 the first day they went on sale and am very happy with it after 15 months of ownership. Fantastic for urban use if you have a home charger. But I still believe while EVs massively outperform ICE in some applications, they still don't do that as far as 'ease of filling up' is concerned.

 

 

 

I agree with your take on EV's, except for the fast- or super-charging bit. It is much more important to have a dense network of chargers, than the ultra high charging speeds. Moreover, going at it with much over 200 kW brings with it a truckload of problems, especially if the charge station holds multiple stations. If you have 20 bays charging at 500 kW you need a small powerplant close by, not to mention that each charger needs to be water cooled, including the cables......... and good luck for the ladies hauling a 20 Kg charging cable around, broken finger nails and all  🤣

Interesting test results by a Chinese outlet (Dongchendi) on CLTC vs. actual range for some models sold in China, what is especially curios are the significant variations between models, i.e. from below 20% to almost 40% loss.

No details were given about test parameters, so it is not possible to evaluate the test conditions and how they might have affected the result.

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Wow, if those prices reflect accurately in Thailand then it is a huge shakeup.

If they make it to Thailand, prices In Thailand will be significantly higher, because Xiaomi has no plans to build a factory in Thailand, which removes some incentives the Thai government gave companies like BYD and Deepal etc. But in China this will have an impact - in an already very crowded segment of EV models.

From what I read, Xiaomi has their sights on Europe as they compare their top model with the likes of the Porsche Tycan.

Xiaomi SU7 was introduce with prices this evening, and they rock! Converted from Chinese prices to THB: 'official price in China for the starting model 1.16 million baht, and Pro and Max models will be 1.24 - 1.52 million baht. 50,000 orders in 27 minutes after accepting orders.

https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/28/xiaomi-su7-launched-with-830-km-range-starts-at-29900-usd/

17 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Wondering what the Range is if I always use both Motors?

The motors are not the problem..... your right foot is..........lol

7 hours ago, sirineou said:

I agree.

A great car. 

Really? Most American muscle cars were sedans parading as sports cars, with 2 tons of an iron clump under the hood, redlining at 4500 RPM.........lol       Trust me, I had one - a T/A 455 SD no less, quick for the times, no breaks to speak of, and would be run off the road by most lowly electrical car today.

But hey, we were all kids at some point, but most of us moved on, had real jobs, maybe even family......... but not all did  🤪