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2 hours ago, jrobinson909 said:

Thanks for all the responses everyone. As mentioned, I am currently staying in Bangkok, so dealing with the embassy in London personally is not a possibility. My parents are able to scan and email documents to me, but when I applied at Chaeng Wattana. I also only have a UK birth certificate and not a Thai one.

 

I'm not sure why the documents I took when I applied weren't sufficient. They seemed to suggest that they would be accepted if I took them to the province my mum lived in before she moved to England, which is Samut Sakhon. Does anyone who has had experience doing this before know exactly which documents would suffice as proof?

 

You can deal with the embassy in London from Thailand.

You do this via the Deparment of Consular Affairs, which is a building located about 150 m down Chaenwattana Rd from the government complex where you are currently dealing with immigration. Go to the second floor and there is department there which deals with the embassies overseas for issues which need their input. It is the same building where Thai passports are issued. 

Personally, I think the path of least resistance for you is to organise, the the Department of Consular Affairs, for your Thai birth certificate to be issued via the embassy in London.

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

She is here already so that would be difficult for her to get done at the embassy in London. Here parents have to be involved to get the birth certificate.

She can liaise with the embassy in London via the Department of Consular Affairs in Chaeng Wattana.

I suspect the parents are going to have to get involved in any case. The embassy is likely to want to cite original evedience from her mother regarding her mums Thai passport. 

While her mum is at the embassy, she could potential get the ball rolling for a thai BC for her daughter. 

11 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I am aware of that but it is not needed for applying for an extension as a Thai national.

She could use her own Thai embassy issued Thai BC as proof of her citizenship and they should be able to provide her an extension based on that. 

In the mean time she could get the ID and Thai passport card sorted. 

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

She is Thai from birth she does have to apply for citizenship,

Actually no, typo on my behalf which I’ve just changed.

She still does need to get a birth certificate issued by the Thai embassy in the UK (assuming that is where she was born) to get the process going. Following that she can get registered on the house registry, get a Thai ID and then a Thai passport. 

You should apply to register your Thai citizenships as a child of a Thai parent. Here is an outline of how you can do it.

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-when-born-overseas/

3 hours ago, maccie90 said:

Lesson for the next time!

But still i live in a small village and my parents they live 2 streets away from my house we been having dinner many times in the past and everyone got fb and well i think you know how things go. My mom is Thai as well.

It is best to sort your thai travel documents before you depart.

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-when-born-overseas/

As a natural born Thai, you can’t be denied entry into the country. 

Very few people in any case have the reach to prevent a person from entering. Unless she is good friends of the Interior Minister, the she is bluffing. 

6 hours ago, mike324 said:

It does state if you want to keep your other nationality, you need to make a declaration to renounce your thai citizenship by the time you turn 20 (for those that were under 20)

 

Or under Section 19

Section 19. The Minister is empowered to revoke Thai nationality of a person who acquires Thai nationality by naturalization if it appears that:

 (2) There is evidence to show that he still makes use of his former nationality;

 

So according to the Nationality Act, it does state specifically that you are not allowed to have dual citizenship. The thing is that authorities aren't actively cracking down on folks with dual nationality. But if they want, they have the power to do so according to law.

 

Also back then you were allow to use your foreign names on Thai passports / ID cards. They have change the law which requires you to pick a Thai name when you apply for your ID card. But they are not that strict and you can still get away with it by telling them you haven't picked a thai name yet, and you will do a name change later.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong?

You’ve got your wires crossed. Here is a good primer on dual nationality.

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-dual-citizenship/

On 10/24/2018 at 9:06 AM, tangdio said:

Also, where can I find the rubric for re: the 50+ points needed?

And what other rules are not required for those with a Thai wife (singing national anthem, etc.)?

This has a good outline 

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-for-foreigners-married-to-thai-spouse/

7 minutes ago, jumbo said:

Thanks for the information

So to be sure at Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang I can get the re-entry after customs and my PR is still valid.

I also understood that multi (re)-entry are not available for PR is that correct?

No.

A PR holder gets their re-entry permit done at the immigration office, not at the airport. For those in BKK it is the PR desk at chaengwattana. 

Single or multi rentry permits are available for PR holders.

2 hours ago, jumbo said:

Would it be recommended to hire a lawyer or can you do the application by yourself supported by your wife?

I mean most of the documents requested are familiar as they are submitted when going for Non-O extension on marriage and work permit extension....

If a lawyer is required are there any recommendations from experience?

 

All of this is doable yourself, or if you have a good PA, they can chase up the bits of paper you don’t already have.

As others have said, if married and working you can skip PR and go straight for citizenship.

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-for-foreigners-married-to-thai-spouse/

1 hour ago, GinBoy2 said:

We had the same concerns with my stepson. 

I’d adopted him years ago, so he held a US passport. Before he left for college in the US he renounced Thai citizenship, so if and when he ever returned to Thailand for a visit there would never be any issues of him having missed the military draft circus

When you say ‘renounce’ - do you mean he submitted an application to the Minister of Interior and the renunciation was posted in the royal gazette?

5 hours ago, jackdd said:

Don't forget that as long as you are under 30 you can be drafted for military in Thailand, so it might make sense to wait until you are 30

A good article on that subject too:

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-military-service/

Here is an excellent link on your situation.

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-when-born-overseas/

Good luck with it all!

You should consider applying for Thai nationality give you are married to a Thai husband. 

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-based-on-marriage-to-a-thai-husband/

Your situation is discussed in depth here:

http://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-when-born-overseas/

Your mate forgot to get an re-entry permit. His extension of stay died the second departed Thailand for that holiday to Australia. 

He he needs to follow the advice from immigration. 

The answer is: 'it depends'.

The Thai passport office in Thailand is remarkably efficient and painless. Having said that, the process differs slightly if your kids were born outside of Thailand.

To apply for the passport in Thailand you'll need to have your kids registered on the house registry, and if over the age of 6 they'll need an ID card from memory. Both parents need to be in attendance, and you should bring along their thai birth certificates as well as official ID for both parents, as well as the house ID. All of this is needed generally to check that the parents ability to approve the child's passport. 

If if your kids were born outside of Thailand they'll need to have the house registration and ID cards if they haven't already. Otherwise they won't be able to apply for one without those docs. All this is automatic if the kids were born and living in Thailand, however kids born and living outside of Thailand don't tend to be registered on the house ID unless they come back to live. 

The thai embassy's overseas usually waive this requirement particularly for overseas born Thais due to the fact they are not resident in Thailand and unlikely to have the chance to be registered on a house book back in the motherland. 

Of course, also bring along their old thai passports. 

There is nothing wrong entering Thailand on an expired thai passport although they won't be able to depart without a new valid thai passport. 

If you don't have the required docs, or don't have the time to get them while you are here (i.e. House registration, ID card) then simply entering and departing on the British passport will work, though limit their time to the visa validity. 

Also nothing wrong using the old thai passport so long it is still valid when they depart to go back to the U.K. and getting it renewed in London or on one of the mobile passport application days around the country, will the lesser documentation requirements.

1 hour ago, Jiraa said:

I was a child. I don't think I had citizenship.

 

Sounds like all is lost.  I have to resort to visas like a true farang.

What are your parents citizenship? A child of a thai citizen is automatically a thai citizen from birth.

In addition, your citizenship is also mentioned in the blue tabieen baan. 

1 hour ago, medtechbrah said:

What would happen if she only show US passport when flying back to US? Would she still get a departure card to be filled out?
 

I just got back from Thailand last month and I could have sworn there is no thai immigration to show passport, departure card, and boarding pass.

 

My departure went like this:

 

1. Check-in at airline counter (checked bags, get tickets by providing US passport). I do not recall filling out a thai departure card here.

2. Showed ticket and passport to lady at bottom of escalator.

3. Showed ticket only at another lady on top of escalator

4. Get in line for TSA and X-ray

5. Go to Terminal for departure.

6. Board airplane with ticket and passport

 

Again, I am not aware of a formal Thai departure immigration booth when flying back to US.

 

If I'm mistaken or have crappy memories, then please correct me. Otherwise, my question would still be 'is it necessary to show Thai Passport (if not questioned) when traveling back to US?'

 

Thanks again to everyone who' has replied thus far.

You have an 'incomplete' memory.

At Suvanaphumi, between steps 4 and 5, you depart x-ray, and then go down a set of escalators again into the immigration hall. Thai passport holders turn left and proceed through the electronic gates, everyone else turns right and clears immigration at those desks.

So she will have to show her Thai passport to either an immigration officer to get stamped out, or if she goes though the machines she will be scanned out.

She won't be able to go through immigration using her US passport as she never entered Thailand on it.

Don't worry. She will be fine. They don't follow the passport stamps.

The departure cards are usually given to you at check in. If you don't get one, just ask for one. They have plenty.

My wife travels regularly (more than I do, I'm sick of it) and she comes and goes maybe 2 or 3 times per year with her girlfriends on trips around the place. Never an issue.

My kids have dual nationality as well. All adults. They travel even more than my wife, my daughter in particular works for a multi national and travels to/from Europe 4 to 6 times per year doing the passport swap.

7 hours ago, medtechbrah said:

Thanks all for the replies.

 

I just have one problem out of all of this, which is the part where she's coming back to US.

 

So, she should book the flight back to USA with her US name. IIRC, the ticket counter person and departure immigration is the same person at the airline counter (We just got back from Thailand trip recently, and I remember checking in bags and getting tickets from our airline counter, then showed passport/ticket before going up escalator and again at top of escalator (These last two checks were super informal).

 

My questions:

 

1. Is it necessary to show Thai passport when departing at departure immigration (aka airline counter) at all?

 

2. If they question why there's no visa stamp, then she could just show her Thai Passport? The name differences could be solved with some paper work (marriage/divorce/birth certificates, etc) I'd reckon.  

You are mixing things up. 

Airline check in and immigration are separate. 

At baggage check in, show BOTH passports. US passport shows right of entry to the US. Thai passport shows they need to be given a departure card.

A boarding pass will be issued.

fill in the departure card using the information in the THAI passport.

Pass through thai immigration showing Thai passport, departure card and boarding pass. 

These days thai citizens generally just go through the electronic passport gates so no one checks. But even if they get processed manually immigration doesn't care. You have a boarding pass for the plane and a passport to be stamped out on. That is all they worry about.

Dont worry about 'stamp trails' in passports. In this day and age, many countries dont stamp people in and out, so immigration in Thailand and most places on the world simply doesn't care about what stamps you may or may not have. 

2 hours ago, medtechbrah said:

Thanks for replying. I don't think it will be an issue, but my mom is constantly worrying about it.

 

If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to ask how your wife go about booking flights with her two passports.

Generally speaking, if it is for long distance travel to/from the west, then she uses her married name. On the thai side, while the airline checks for visas and the right to enter the destination country (show both passports), thai immigration these days is automatic. Most if not all travelers i see enter/exit through the automatic gates so no one even speaks to you. However even in the old days, the immigration people weren't bothered by the discrepancies. That is the airlines job. 

travelling domestically and around SE Asia she tends to use her maiden name, as the thai passport is very handy for most ASEAN countries for not needing visas where westerners generally do (Laos, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia and Vietnam to name a few). 

We'll her maiden name changed one day. We've only been married 40 something years, so there is no rush...

You are worrying about nothing.

My wife has her western surname in her western passport and her thai maiden name in the thai passport, given we married overseas and never bothered to change her name here.

In the 25 plus years she has been coming and going from Thailand using two passports she never has had an issue. Dual nationality isn't illegal here.  

Just about every western country doesn't care about stamp trails. Neither should you.