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Internatltraveler

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  1. Well for me, who originates from the USA and have lived in numerous countries and dealt with this immigration and visa issue many times now, it seems to me that the USA Embassy could take a position that they can identify what documents could be made available to them to verify the income. Social Security. VA Benefits, Military pensions and other governmentally issued pensions can easily be verified online by our Embassy. The Social Security Division of our embassy in BKK has been moved to the Philippines and is not so easy to work with now. But in the past in Costa Rica as an example, when the document to support our monthly income was needed they could simply pull up our social security or government record because that is a direct verification of income by a governmentally employed agent...end of story.

     

    So when they tell us now that it is impossible for them to verify incomes from so many sources, I can understand that completely. But they could certainly issue a list of easily verified documents that they could verify from their computers, and that would still take care of probably the majority of USA citizens here who can honestly verify their records.

     

    As for anyone on this site who calls us names, or looks down on us for using a monthly benefit as our income, it is a sad statement of them, and does not reflect on my lifestyle who has chosen to provide adequate monthly income for the rest of my life to live anywhere in the world. I have no heirs and never will plan to accumulate money to have it sit in a bank account like the Thais expect with their 800,000 baht requirement. Does the Thai government really even realize the millions or possibly billions of bahts of dollars that support their economy that could be in jeopardy if all of us that depended on monthly incomes were eliminated from this economy. So many countries welcome pensioners because we spend a lot of money in their countries and rarely get in trouble or cause problems for their governments.

     

    Yes, somehow we need to join in in our community voices to talk to our embassies and to Immigration in a professional and meaningful way rather than ridiculing them and making them even more defensive about our presence in their country. I am all in favor of immigration control and do believe we can find a realistic way to address the hardship this is going to cause each of us, our families here and the impact of loss income to the economy that needs that money badly also..

     

    Maybe the readers of this site can be encouraged to send letters to our embassy or even our state department in the USA to seek a resolution to this problem. It is everyone's best interest to resolve this in favor of the pensioners here rather than making us out to be the bad guys simply because we cannot or will not put 800,000 baht in their bank. No where in the world have I heard of this before anyway for a simple retirement visa...monthly income yes, but funds in a local bank????

     

    We need to find a strong voice to talk for all of us and somewhere I believe we can find someone who has contacts with someone who can be heard here in this country.

     

    So I encourage people to write and write and write again to our embassy and our government and deluge them with our letters to have them seek a diplomatic resolution on this issue. Isn't that what our embassy is partially there for anyway?

     

    Then the Immigration Police here in Thailand needs to update their online documents and enforce their own codes rather than allowing each immigration office to interpret the rules however they seem fit. There needs to be clarification because right now the Immigration Police guidelines indicate 65,000 baht income can be verified by simply showing of bank statements that consistently show that amount of income and do not indicate it has to be put through a Thai bank even...Sure we all know bank statements can be manufactured but that is a crime and should be prosecuted a such if discovered.

     

    But our embassy is another issue. It is simply not true that it is impossible for them to verify governmental pensions in the USA and this is where we need to concentrate our efforts if you are from the USA...a simple matter of contacting the government agency that issues that pension and verifying online...simple as apple pie...so I am not sure where they are coming up with the comment that it is "impossible" but certainly the impossible is doable with the advent of computerized records now for many years and there is no acceptable excuse for doing otherwise in my mind.

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  2. I left a message elsewhere on this site about this notification. Now I am asking someone who has contact with a decision maker at the USA Embassy to intervene in this issue based on this information. I have lived in Chile and Costa Rica before landing here in Thailand. Both countries have income requirements for long term visas in their countries. But the USA Embassy in both of those countries provide a letter certifying income where possible to American citizens. It is false and misleading for this embassy in BKK to say they cannot verify government records with the Social Security and Veteran's administration. All they have to do is go online and get that information directly and then certify that they have verified the funds, plain and simple, easy for them to do. For them to say otherwise is either an out and out lie or the rules have changed all over the world which I really doubt. This embassy simply does not have the creativity to simply establish a policy stating what documents are necessary to provide in order for them to verify funds. It is no big deal if our income depends on government pensions of any type and they could simply replace this new policy stating what can easily be verified by them rather than saying that income from any source cannot be verified. This is plain and simple not true in my personal experience.

     

    So these people need to be challenged with this false information and need to be challenged as to why they are not willing to take the simple steps to establish what sources that they can verify and what documents or steps would be necessary to verify our sources of income particularly if we receive our funds from a government source that is so easy to verify.

     

    This is a case of bureaucratic nonsense once again by our great government, rather than finding a way they can serve the citizens of the USA they simple close the door on us with this kind of nonsense. So if anyone here has a contact into the consulate general directly, then that seems to be the only way that we can challenge this decision which appears to be made more by the Thais working in our embassy than by the experienced officials who should be able to do a little research and find a better solution to this situation.

     

    I for one would never have 800,00) baht just sitting around to tie up in one of these unreliable banks that I read so much about being duped by, etc. And can you imagine having a direct deposit coming from the government in the USA to a Thai bank since we may be the first ones to get this offer? There are many places for our money to disappear being handled this way it seems to me. My monthly income is nearly double what is required to stay here and it just pisses me off to no end for our embassy to do this to us simply because they are too lazy to do the necessary research and get this resolved in our favor.

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