PhuketSarah

I really think it is incorrect a new TM 30 is needed after being away from the residence  within Thailand   but only after  leaving the country.

 Of course since all rules are applied spuriously from office to office, even desk to desk... 

 What a gawd awful bad decision it was to retire here.

On 3/26/2018 at 5:15 PM, Maestro said:

 

I find Google Maps useful to guide me from my location to any place I wish to go.

www.google.com/maps

Yeah, and that's where I started. 

On 3/27/2018 at 5:36 AM, bluesofa said:

I think you'll find the number the OP quoted is correct - regarding the number of digits anyway.

 

The way phone numbers are written is not always consistant or clear.

In Thailand there are three-digit area codes followed by six-digit numbers (I'm now talking specificially about landlines and outside of Bangkok).

 

The convention for writing the number is: 077-824872/3

This signifies there are two local numbers: 824872 and 824873, usually they will be set set-up so if the first number is busy it will switch to the next one, but not always.

 

It's the character between the last digits  "2" and "3" which causes problems. The standard is to use a forward slash: / not a hypen: -

 

Thank you   for  this  - problem was  again the call centre gave me  bad info, not separating the last two digits, which is why I could never get through. Then  after I figured that out  asked for English, answered in Thai,   put on hold forever, then it  picks up, put on hold and hung up on. Fairly typical govt phone manners.  

4 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

That is plausible with other information found.

I hope this search link works:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=ด่านศุลกากรระนอง

 

Not far from Ranong Immigration BTW.

Midway between Police Station and Immigration office.

Thank you  this is what I needed !! 

1 minute ago, KhunBENQ said:

This number is incomplete (if that is what you dialed?).

From their website:

077-8248723

Can you give me a link  to this please ?

1 minute ago, Mattd said:

Ah, then I apologise.

Worse case, call the HO in Bangkok.

Customs Care Center at Tel. 1164 
Thai Customs Department, 1, Suntorn Kosa Road, Klong Toey, Bangkok, 10110 Tel. 02 667 6000, 02 667 7000

And they give me a phone number that has no way to enter the extension Jaysus Going on hours now trying to get a map to the place.

On 3/22/2018 at 1:04 PM, Mattd said:

Maybe try calling the regional customs HQ in Phuket and ask 076 211377

This is the number that the Thai Ship Owners Association list for Ranong:  077 811582 calls to Ranong are picked up , put on hold and then after 5 minutes hung up 

 

 076 211 377 Passed around 6 times,  Hung up on  call back  passed around 3 time  then  finally a woman comes on and says it's a stationery store 

Yes the call centre staff  mispelled the road name  thanks for  help 

Anyone have any knowledge of  where the Customs House is in Ranong province at Myanmar border?  Address as given by Call center   90/ 221 Chalermprakiat Road, Paknam, Mueng 85000

( 90/221 ถนนเฉลิมพระเกียรติสมุทรสงครามระนอง 85000)

but Google maps cannot find it in English or Thai . No info on any Govt websites , searches empty for location search on Customs  site  and  a neglected FB page says it's closed permanently. (Suspectnot affiliated) The Bangkok Govt call clearing  center is useless, no way to push the extension and the direct line ( o77 82 4872 )  never answers.

Going on second hour of wasted time  Please assist. 

Thank you 

 And to further add confusion. 

Read more at https://www.thephuketnews.com/better-if-you-do-phuket-immigration-chief-urges-foreigners-to-re-register-addresses-even-if-staying-off-island-just-one-night-65744.php#xDC8bioAGgZdTDOb.99

from this https://www.thephuketnews.com/better-if-you-do-phuket-immigration-chief-urges-foreigners-to-re-register-addresses-even-if-staying-off-island-just-one-night-65744.php#6PJbwIWRYxMDQQvx.97

21 minutes ago, ThaidDown said:

In law .. (From Thai CCC)

 

Section 569. A contract of hire of immovable property is not extinguished by the transfer of ownership of the property hired.
The transferee is entitled to the rights and is subjected to the duties of the transferor towards the hirer.

 

In practice anything could happen.

 

Thank you,  this is what I'm looking for.   

9 minutes ago, Rhys said:

.... just best to move on....it is their game...

 Really just asking about the law...  

36 minutes ago, fanjita said:

Once the property is sold and ownership transferred then you are out on your ear immediately.  As smutcakes states, it's really not worth being belligerent as you've not got a leg to stand on.  TiT.

 

You might attempt to open up dialogue with the new owner to minimise the eviction period, but that's all you can do.

 

Maybe I'm the seller. 

2 hours ago, smutcakes said:

If there is no assignment clause in your contract stipulating conditions if the landlord disposes of the property, i think you will be forced to vacate as soon as the new landlord requires it.

 

The best thing is to quickly open cordial discussions with the new owner either to sign a rental contract with them, or to negotiate a fair timeline for you to find alternative accommodation and to move. If there is no assignment clause in your contract you won't have any rental agreement with the new Landlord. 

 

I would do everything possible to open up friendly dialogue with all parties asap, and definitely not go barrelling in to the discussions swinging your 3 year contract around.

 Ok  Thanks for this but really we're wondering about the law. Is there one?  What is it?  

Owner informs tenant  contract will be closed  this week on home, , and new owner will order  tenant to  vacate,  this is on a  3 year lease.  

  Is there any minimum period  a tenant has by law? 

6 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It used to be on the website in English too. I expect it will be again as they haven't long revamped the website and are still adding to it.

This is avail in  English https://www.immigration.go.th/content/การแจ้งที่พักคนต่างด้าว  But does not have the info I seek 

7 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Think of it like this. If you only lived in hotels, every time you booked in to a hotel, the hotel must report that you're staying with them. The same law applies to private residences. A report has to be made every time you stay at a property.

My question is about travel inside the country... 

Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. 

Should read as relevant.. 

^ OK thanks. The height of incompetence and ineptness  to not have these laws in several languages- and to not enforce them evenly.

Phone number at this page, " For more details.."  gets you to a woman screaming loudly " No hab no hab" 

After the officer in charge has verified the information on the notification sheet (TM. 30), he accepts the notification and hands over the lower part of the form to the person making the notification. This part must be kept for further checking.

For details contact 0-2141-7881

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/การแจ้งที่พักคนต่างด้าว

40 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Yes, they could charge up to 2,000 baht under the law. TM.30 reporting is supposed to track the whereabouts of each foreigner. When you arrive at a hotel/residence someone is supposed to report you've arrived, but they don't report that you have left. It's the responsibility of someone at the next address to report you've arrived (moved on), and so on.

 

They can insist that someone at the property a foreigner lives at makes a report every time they return from staying at another address in the country. Most offices don't enforce the law in full.

 

Here is the law concerning address reporting:

Immigration Act

Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply with the following :

1. Shall not engage in the occupation or temporary or employment unless authorized by the Director General. or competent official deputized by the Director General . If , in any case , there is a law concerning alien employment provided hereafter , the granting of work privileges must comply with the law concerned.

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival.

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office.

The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General.

In making notification under this Section , the alien may make notification in person or send a letter of notification to the competent official , in accordance with the regulations prescribed by the Director General .

 

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel where the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1 is located within the Bangkok area , such notification must be reported to the competent official at the Immigration Division.

Making notification , in reference to the Para 1 and 2 of this Section , must comply with regulations prescribed by the Director General.

 

 

Section 76 : Any alien, alien, who fails to comply with the provisions of Section 37(2),(3),(4)or(5) shall be punished with a fine not exceeding 5,000 Baht and with and additional fine not exceeding 200 Baht for each day which passes until the law is complied with.

Section 77 : Whoever fails to comply with the provision of Section 38, shall be punished with a fine not exceeding 2,000 Baht. If said person is a hotel manager, he shall be punished with a fine from 2,000 Baht to 10,000 Baht.

 

 

 

Thanks for this but am wondering if the missing sect 34  is  pertinent Do you have a link, please? 

22 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Posting section 37 just adds confusion to the matter, The are completely different and have different forms for the reporting.

The OP asked about TM30 reporting that is to comply with section 38.

Sect 37 is about TR visa, correct?  I have a O retirement. And then Sect 38 gives no  distinct parameter for when the report has to be made-  outside the province- or the country? Arghhhh 

1678 call center = Network Failure   other numbers do not pick up after voice menu instructs press 9 for Eng, and then 0 for help 

Not at all clear from this https://www.immigration.go.th/content/การแจ้งที่พักคนต่างด้าว  ( English tab at top right of page ) 

My understanding the TM 30 "Address report" is required  within 24 hours of return only after travel outside the country or of course if the address has changed 

A report has it a person was fined 1000 baht in Phuket for not reporting address within 24 hours from travel to Bangkok. 

Are we really expected to  spend a day reporting to immigration each and every time we spend the night outside our registered address?

 What is the law, and how can one get a copy of it?  

 Thank you.