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17 hours ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

This means your NIA interview was around September 2016 (9 months after applying at SB), can you confirm this? Sorry to ask, but this is very useful to understand the current trend -although I know each applicant has a specific experience of the process-. Being few months after my NIA interview, it will give me -and other recent applicants- a clue of a potential waiting time to MOI interview.

Yes, that is correct. 

27 minutes ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

Wow. 8 weeks only? Or is it 8 months? Does it mean your total waiting time since your SB application has been less than two years?

Correct, application for citizenship was filed with SB on the second working day of January 2016 (I had to get some tax issues in order so my 2015 taxes were filed on the first working day of that month). From then until today it would be less than 2 years, I guess.

1 minute ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

Congratulations! 

 

May I ask how many months were there between your NIA and MOI interviews? and how many months after the MOI interview was your name published to the RTG?

The duration between NIA interview and MOI interview was about 8 weeks. MOI interview was last May. His Majesty endorsed my petition in June and took the oath then. RTG publication yesterday.

24 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Question. 

Can aquired citizenship ever be revoked? 

Answer. 

Yes! 

Question. 

Can birth citizenship ever be revoked ?

Answer. 

No, way. No, where. No, why. 

No, how. 

I hope that clears everything up. 

 

First off, your contentions regarding birth citizenship revocation are not at all based upon fact or law (at least as far as US law is concerned). 

The Immigration and Nationality Act of the USA § 349 states that a citizen, whether a U.S. citizen by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing certain acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality. The fact of intention is critical; it is not the mere performance of the actions mentioned in § 349. Seven types of conduct are currently listed in the INA as expatriate. The potentially expatriating acts are: (1) applying for and obtaining naturalization in a foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (2) making an oath of allegiance to a foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (3) serving in the military of a foreign country as a commissioned or noncommissioned officer or when the foreign state is engaged in hostilities against the United States; (4) serving in a foreign government position that requires an oath of allegiance to or the nationality of that foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (5) making a formal renunciation of U.S. citizenship to a consular officer outside of the United States; (6) making a formal renunciation of citizenship while in the United States and during time that the United States is involved in a war; and (7) conviction for treason or attempting by force to overthrow the U.S. government, including conspiracy convictions. Later case law has added some interpretational nuance to the above, but this remains the case. 

Before you go off on some half-cocked overly broad sloppy analysis of nationality law around the world let me re-quote you directly: you stated "Can birth citizenship ever be revoked? Answer. No, way. No, where. No, why." As pointed out above, even without a clear renunciation of citizenship, US law allows for the revocation of birthright citizenship. The threshold for revoking such citizenship is rather high and requires some rather overt actions, and inferred intent, but it CAN and has happened. 

I'm not usually the type of person that would normally respond to someone such as you posting on ThaiVisa, but I keep track of this thread as it has proven very useful and enlightening with respect to the process of naturalizing to Thai nationality. As you and other readers may be aware the process of naturalizing is stressful and frustrating at the best of times. This thread is true godsend in that it provides useful information as well as helpful personal insight into the thought processes and policies underlying both the law on the topic as well as the bureaucratic mechanism used to enforce such law. In short, I find it to be a valuable resource and those who take the time to come onto this and share their own experiences and understanding should be commended especially as they seem to do so out of a sincere desire to assist others.

You, on the other hand, seem to desire to act, at best, as a contrarian on this thread or, at worst, as a source of erroneous information. I think it can be inferred from the tone of other readers that your commentary is considered neither useful nor appreciated. If it is not already obvious, I would agree.

6 minutes ago, Arkady said:

 

Your instinct that there is no specific rhyme or reason is correct.  It could be that they are preparing a batch of naturalisations to follow this batch of women adopting hubby's Thai citizenship but that is not necessarily the case.  Historically there were sometimes years when a lot of foreign wives were announced but not naturalisations and vice versa.  The good thing that the process is working relatively smoothly under this government without the 5-11 year waits that were common in the past.  

 

I am not sure why they publish the original nationality of women adopting hubby's Thai nationality but not for naturalistions.  

Thanks for the insight Arkady. I figured as much. Maybe I'll be seeing mine soon, fingers crossed.

14 minutes ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

From what I see, there has been one this month for ladies.

http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2560/D/090/2.PDF

Yes, I saw that as well. Does anyone have any idea if these publications are in any way correlated? What I am asking is: is it reasonable (within the inherent reason of the system) to infer that another announcement regarding men will be forthcoming in short order? I think I may know the response to this query will be something akin to "there is no specific rhyme or reason" to such announcements, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. I must say that of all the aspects of this process this phase of waiting between taking the oath and RTG publication is the most disconcerting as there does not appear to be anyone who can explain why things move the way they do, nor anyone who can really explain in detail how the mechanism works after the documentation is sent from SB over the RTG for publication.  I am not complaining, just rather confused.

2 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

I don't think the Gazette has a mind of its own in this regard. It simply prints whatever is signed off on and forwarded for publication by the Prime Minister's office. Sometimes the announcement is one or two names (like in my case), or a handful of names; other times, like last week, it's a long list of names. Don't get discouraged; it could come any time.


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Thanks for the insight, I was unaware that sometimes a couple names are posted. That puts things in better perspective.

Frankly this is the only part of the overall process that is rather frustratingly opaque (at least to me). The officer I have been dealing with at SB gave me the impression that post-oath they send everything directly over to the RTG, but it sounds like it goes to the PM's office and thereafter goes to RTG, am I correct in my understanding there? I had thought that the PM's office had already done their thing with the case and that occurred prior to His Majesty's endorsement. I often find that by understanding the "why" behind institutional protocols it makes it easier to cope with seeming delay. 

I appreciate your encouragement, but having been here a rather long time and having dealt with the government frequently, I am not overly discouraged. I am just looking to understand the mechanism better. 

On 6/23/2017 at 10:52 AM, Arkady said:

Probably anywhere between 2 and 12 months would be a realistic answer but the current government, unlike many of its predecessors, doesn't like unreasonable delays.  The process for posting orders in the Royal Gazette is a bit hard to fathom.  Usually they are gazetted about a month after the date the order is signed but sometimes it takes a couple of months or more.  I have seen a citizenship announcement that was published a full five months after it was signed.

Thanks for this response some time ago. I saw the recent batch of RTG postings. Unfortunately, I was not on the list notwithstanding the fact I did my MOI interview prior to that of one of the prior posters who mentioned he/she has been published in the recent RTG batch. Question: could my publication come simply any time now? I guess what is a bit unnerving is the thought that the RTG or MOI or whoever has to cooperate in order for the publication to occur takes the attitude that: "we have done our publication for this quarter/semester/year" and simply lets the the file sit somewhere with no activity. Any insight into how the RTG publication works would be very enlightening and much appreciated (by anyone with any insight).   

Hi All,

Very useful thread and very informative. Quick question, I took the oath of allegiance on Tuesday. Any idea how fast RTG publishing and naturalization certificate issuance should run from here? I know it is not possible to say with total accuracy, but educated guesses are appreciated.