hugh mckee

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

For someone who has been banging on repeatedly about angry, nasty independence supporters, you are holding a fair amount of anger and bitterness yourself. 

 

To be clear, streams of Facebook post titles do not constitute a plausible argument. You are heavy on invective but very, very light on substance. Your saying Scotland would be like Greece or Venezuela, for example, is no more credible than me retorting that it would, in fact, be like Shangri La. Neither can be considered a reasonable position to take without fact based argument to back it up. And that is what you are not providing. 

 

I would be more than happy to discuss the concept of a Scottish deficit with you, but I get the feeling that you are not interested in hearing an alternative perspective to the Facebook post you lifted that from 7% nonsense from. So maybe you just stick to your Vanguard Bears and the echo chamber of bitter house jocks that you seem comfortable with. 

wow, what a load of nonsense, it seems if you see the truth you come away with this drivel, I've no idea what strams od facebook post titles means, I don't use facebook, twitter or any of that stuff, of course you do, your laptop is a big part of your life obviously...........I don't wish to discuss the concept of anything with you.

I don't take this forum seriously, I know it means nothing and I only stumbled on this thread when I was checking to get the latest covid news on my beloved thailand

but to be clear, Scotland is my home, I see and read every day about the ridiculous SNP, what some of them get up to? I didn't want to leave the EU and it made my condo purchase £25k more expensive (55 baht to 43 baht) but I didn't want a 2nd EU vote, you do this type of major thing only once, accept the result and get on with your life, which is my exact same feelings on Independence, we had a vote now get on with things and you politicians do your job but that's not what happened.

my feelings on independence is it's not a gamble worth taking, if it was the late 70's or 80's and we had guys like John Smith and Donald Dewar leading the country

then maybe Scotland would have prospered with it's oil and gas  and England would have been our best friend and ally, it's now the 2020's we have the anti English SNP, a party full of poor quality politicians who simply blame Scotland's poor record on England, they blame everything that's wrong in Scotland on England and fuel and live on an anti-English ticket, it's very sad and makes me ashamed of my country.

to be clear Scotland and this is before covid was running a 7% defecit, you have to be under 3% to join the EU, oil is finished, the oil price has hammered a big country

like Russia's economy, little Scotland has to suffer too and oil is not coming back, we are in the top 3 in europe for Drug deaths, alcohol deaths and now covid deaths,

to go it alone now? wow what a crazy thing to do, what a risk to take, yes as I said in the past we could have had John Smith or Donald Dewar as our leader, not that

joke Alex Salmond or his protege Nicola Sturgeon backed up with the likes of Ian Blackford, to leave ourselves out of the UK and the EU at the same time and be on our own would be foolish beyond words.

heaven help us if we get independence, all right for you guys in Thailand to have your strong opinions whilst not living in Scotland, if we ended up like Greece or

even Venezeula you can all come home and bail us out, of course we won't end up like them if we get independent because England would still bail us out before

we got into that state, Scotland needs the rest of the UK, I'm happy they feel they need us too.

9 minutes ago, colinneil said:

OH dear you are certainly having a bad day.????

i have 5 figure posts, spent 13 years on here, why are you on here if you are not happy with it?

This is a discussion forum, many different people, with many different opinions.

Now i am all for Brexit, and do not agree with Scotland going alone, yet i am half Scottish, father born in Stirling.

and your point is?

one of your 5 figure poster friends called me a bigot and implied i was racist, when I'm neither, didn't see you post anything then

if you spend the vast majority of your life in Thailand then of course your views on Brexit, Scottish Independence and anything else going on in the UK does not have the same relevance and neither does your opinion.

I don't care if you live 50 years there, paid millions in tax, you don't live there any more, it barely affects your life in thailand

people like me who spend the vast majority like now in the UK, our thoughts and opinions are what's far more relevant, what's happening in Thailand

and your lifes in Thailand is what is important to you, not your ex-life in the UK.

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Have you read the forum rules, which you agreed to abide by when you joined?

 

you know what you can do with your forum, it's full of keyboard know it all's like you with 5 figure posts and too much to say about everything and anything

is that what you came to Thailand for to spend all day on this? get a life

there's no getting through to ultra left wing loonies and a waste of time trying

Just now, hugh mckee said:

yes I do, to form an opinion based on the £ to baht rate is not what Brexit is about, there's a lot more to brexit than that and maybe you'd have to spend some time in the UK to realise that!

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

The most vocal supporters of Brexit here live in Thailand.

 

Do you consider them to be hypocrites, too?

 

Just asking.

yes I do, to form an opinion based on the £ to baht rate is not what Brexit is about, there's a lot more to brexit than that and maybe you'd have to spend some time in the UK to realise that!

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

So, in actual fact you have no idea whatsoever about the origins, current locations, existing ties and ongoing commitments or involvement in Scotland and Scottish life for any of the people on this thread? Glad we cleared that up. 

if the shoe fits RuamRudy?

I don't know if it's you? but methinks you doth protest too much ????

45 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

How do you know where any of us live?

you like to say how intelligent you are so if you read I wrote "if the shoe fits"

of course i don't know where anyone lives just pointing out that the consequences and the obvious gamble of Scottish Independence will be felt by those

who are actually living in the country, someone who visits scotland infrequently and spends the large majority of his life living in Thailand will not be affected

if life in Scotland were to deteriorate due to independence, the debate and the consequences are for those it affects and not some guy living his life in thailand

as i wrote if the shoe fits?

just 2 Scots having a chat about independence.

I fear for my country, the country I will live out most of the rest of my days here and not Thailand like some faraway nationalists on here, maybe to have such a strong opinion on Scottish independence it's a good idea that you actually live here and take the independence gamble with the rest of us Scots, to have such a strong view and rarely ever even visit the country let alone live in it is highly hypocritical....just sayin' and if the shoe fits?

that was my last post on the subject, loony painted face snp supporters or left wing corbyn supporters are exactly the same type of people

and it's pointless trying to debate with that type of person.

sadly scotland may become by default the new battle ground for the anti brexit, left wing extremists, who may see Scotland getting independence

as some sort of revenge against people and politicians of the UK who supported Brexit.

Ultimately it will be the Scottish people who will decide, yes the poisoned way politics is now we could have another vote by default but I have confidence

in the intelligence of my fellow Scots to do exactly what they did in 2014.

P.s I was very angry and annoyed the day after the EU vote, I wanted and voted to stay but the British people voted and you have to accept the will of the nation,

what happened after that in the house of commons was dreadful and took it's toll on the UK and all those folks wanting another vote? that was just silly, we'd just had a vote.

politics and politicians stink, totally corrupt, in all parties but the party the SNP who want to take over Scotland, I've lost count of the recent scandals from their MP's,

from some fat woman stealing charity money, to halfwits displaying irish flags and playing IRA songs, to the finance minister grooming 16 year old boys online or the glasgow SNP lord provost who claimed £8000 for 23 pairs of shoes to the Alex Salmond fiasco, heaven help Scotland.

17 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Did you write all that yourself, Hugh, mate? 

no there's this thing called "copy and paste" it's amazing, I did all that in about 2 seconds, oh maybe you are being sarcastic?

or maybe you read it and thought <deleted> there's not much I can say about that as he's right I can't argue with that so I'll just make

a stupid comment, even though i was posting earlier about how clever i was.

the above post is going to be the basis of the biggest debate around scottish independence if we ever have a second vote, nobdoy talks much about this right now as we're not having a vote but come voting time this would be massive.

in the short term Scottish independence is going to cost billions, Scottish people are renowned for their financial astuteness, if we vote for independence with

the situation as precarious as it is now then as a Scot I will accept that we must need to self govern and accept the will of the Scottish people but at the same time

it would come as a massive surprise to me if the Scottish people were to vote to take such a massive risk with their livelihoods.

the bullying, aggressive tactics of the painted face people has polarised our nation, I don't think they'll go quietly even after another defeat if the last hammering they

got in 2014 is anything to go by.

I'm starting to wish now we have another vote just to maybe put an end to this in my lifetime? or if they win? go it alone and be done with it and take the consequences, financially i will be fine, sadly a lot of younger people and lower paid and poorer people will suffer, I will just consider myself as a Brit living in Scotland, I will never give up my British passport if the UK allows me to keep it and I can assure you there are many in Scotland feel exactly like me.

the SNP are nothing but trouble for Scotland, Scotland is a very prosperous country and they want the Scottish people to take a massive gamble into the unknown.

Ms Sturgeon’s plans for Scottish independence were shamelessly exposed after the country’s financial deficit continued to surge to the point it would fail the European Union membership test.

To be considered for membership to the EU, applicant states are required to have a deficit no higher than three percent.

But the latest GDP quarterly national accounts for Scotland shows the difference between and tax income and public spending had risen from seven percent to 7.2 percent of GDP - seven times more than the rest of the UK.

Political and financial experts have highlighted the difficulties Scotland would now have joining the euro post-independence, as well as adopting a form of the pound and lack of governance over its most important elements

The UK Government has indicated that it would not be open to a common currency area with Scotland, so sterling could only be used as a reactive, impotent partner, with interest rates and general fiscal policy being set in London without Scotland’s input.

“One option would be to use the Euro, but accession to the EU could take some years, and there are economic criteria for joining the Euro which Scotland does not currently meet.

“Scotland could also create its own currency, but backed by what?”

Patrick Sullivan, chief executive and founder of the Parliament Street think tank, warned Scotland continuing to use the British pound as an “independent” currency would be a “very dangerous route” to take.

He claimed Scotland would have no control over its monetary policy, and thus no say over the setting of interest and currency exchange rates.

Mr Sullivan told this website: “Scotland continuing to use the British pound as an “independent” would be a very dangerous route.

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I think you started it, my friend, when you mentioned 

 

and said that

As for my lack of intelligence, stick around and you'll find I illustrate it in other ways too. 

guys who had just arrived from foreign countries and could barely speak English should not have been allowed to vote when Scottish people living all over the UK were not allowed to vote, if you think that's racist or bigoted then you do lack intelligence, SNP cherry picked who could vote to try to get a win and still lost.

0% of me discriminates against people because of the colour of their skin but as I said no way should I ever be voting in a Thai election and if a Thai ever told me that I shouldn't be allowed to vote then he's not being bigoted or racist he's just stating the obvious.

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Careful there, Hugh - it is meant to be us independence supporters who are the small minded bigots, is it not?

 

How would you know that the Scottish people do or do not want if you are adamant that they don't talk about independence? 

yes play the race card, just illustrates your lack of intelligence, I love Thailand, own a condo there, I'd never think I should be allowed to vote in their elections, it's not my place to have a say in how they run their country, I'm a foreigner.

I live in Scotland, meet and talk to many people, independence is not something that's spoken about much at all or moving to the Euro either for that matter, I just know as a Scot that the prospect of giving up the £ for the Euro is something that would be extremely unpopular and I'd enjoy watching those SNP loonies trying to squirm and lie their way out of that one.

yes have another vote and let every Scot get a vote this time, anybody who was born in Scotland should be allowed to vote, that means the millions of Scots now living happily in England and the rest of the UK.

19 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

My post was to show the ridiculousness of your comment that no one in Scotland is talking about independence.

 

Your comment that no one in Scotland is talking about independence is ridiculous because in 2016 the SNP won 61 of the 129 seats in the Scottish parliament. Not an overall majority, true, but the largest number of seats won by any party and nearly double that of the 31 seats won by the second placed Conservative and Unionist party.

 

Your comment that no one in Scotland is talking about independence is ridiculous because in 2019 the SNP won 43 out of the 58 Scottish seats at Westminster. The second placed Conservative and Unionists won 6.

 

BTW, in 2014 UKIP won 24 out of the UK's 73 seats with 27% of the popular vote. The largest number of UK seats, yes; but winning? Nowhere near the majority of seats, nowhere near the majority share of the vote.

Independence is not talked about except by press and politicians and people who paint their face

in the last election which was totally dominated by brexit snp got 45% share of the vote and the pro Union parties got 54% of the vote, greens got 1%

there is a big silent majority in Scotland not wanting independence and are tired of these politicians

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Dear god, get off your knees and show some backbone, man! Your servility and your meekness is what is embarrassing. 

 

Do you think that started in 2007? Do you not think that it might have origins just a little earlier? I moved to Aberdeen in the late 80s and was shocked that there were still council flats in the middle of the city with communal toilets on the landings. Here was a city that was sending billions of pounds a year to London to embellish the South east, yet the locals were living in slum accommodation. I even remember, close to 2000, the council excitedly declaring that all their properties now had their own toilets. That is why Scotland has such social problems - it has been milked dry for decades by successive London governments, and people like you, Hugh, have made that possible.

how come Aberdeen and the surrounding areas voted by a wide margin to stay in the union in 2014 if things are that bad? only the glasgow and dundee area, the poorest voted yes, the one's most likely to lose out if we were independent

snp loonies blame everything that is wrong with Scotland on England even though we've had a SNP government for many many years, politicians just look after themselves, the snp loonies haven't got a clue, if we get independence every problem we get after that will still be blamed on the English, while those politicans live a good life.

19 out of 20 of the top claimers of expenses for westminster MP's are SNP mp's, number one being that fat tub of lard Ian Blackford who claims almost £300k per year, how the English put up with that? Sinn Fein mp's claim nothing, not even take their salary, maybe because that is they are genuine in wanting an independent Ireland and not in it for themselves and their financial gain unlike those parasite snp mp's milking the system for ever last tax payer's penny.

12 minutes ago, hugh mckee said:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland-coronavirus-death-rate-third-worst-world-2880962

 

from the Scotsman!.........oh I suppose those loonies the paint their faces blue and white will say the Scotsman is run by englshmen oe unionists or fools.

I'm in Scotland,  not Thailand, I know things have been catastrophic here, and I repeat our popilation density is 1/6th of England's, there is no way we should even be close to England's total, for countries under 6 million we are massively ahead of every small nation, only Ireland with half our death toll comes remotely close.

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6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

What metric are you using to measure covid deaths which puts Scotland number 3 on the list of most deaths? Do tell.    

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland-coronavirus-death-rate-third-worst-world-2880962

from the Scotsman!.........oh I suppose those loonies the paint their faces blue and white will say the Scotsman is run by englshmen oe unionists or fools.

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I am English, lived in England for all but 1 year of my 64 years.

 

Prior to 2016, never heard anyone talking about leaving the EU.

 

So, using your argument, we shouldn't have had a referendum in 2016!

UKIP won the european election in the UK in 2014,  have you not heard of a guy called Nigel Farage? he's been around in politics for about the last 20 years

talking about leaving the E.U, very strange comment to make.

Alex Salmond is a sex pest, it's only liable if it's not true, he admitted in court to his sexual conduct, he denied rape or breaking any laws but he admitted

to many other things which me be why he turned up in court every day with his sister and not his wife, the behaviour he admitted to in court was shameful

and for a guy who was the SNP's poster boy for decades.

no one talks about inedpendence in Scotland, except, the press, politicians and those loonies that go about with their faces painted blue and white,

like the idiots standing at the border in full PPE shouting at cars telling the English to go home, embarassed to be Scottish when I saw that

and as far as economics go there will never be an argument of how Scotland will be financially better of in the short to medium term because a solution doesn't exist,

maybe 30 or 40 years from now??? after a lot of pain for it's population in the meantime, oil is finished, no new oil fields can make a profit in the north sea  at under $80.

Scotland will go through years of pain, upheaval and torment and for what so a bunch of politicians can get their egos satisfied despite the costs, this is not some romantic Netflix Scottish made up story box set or even more made up <deleted> Braveheart, this is about real lives and right now Scotland is a very prosperous country, why risk that on the word of these politicians, the likes of Alex Salmond.

If i was English I would be saying let them go and good riddance but I hope that's not how they feel? without the Union Scotland would be far worse off,

England subsidises Scotland and puts up with a lot of <deleted> from them, this is 2020, oil is finished, the money's spent, yes the Uk benefitted from this so I'm not

ashamed to be subsidised now as we more than paid our share in the past, maybe to go when oil was booming might have made financial sense? to go when it's finished

makes no sense unless you are one of those loony nationalists

p.s, under our SNP government, we are in number one in europe for drug deaths and number 2 for alcohol deaths, we are number 3 for covid deaths behind England and Spain, despite the fact scotland's population density is 1/6th of England's, we are easily in front for covid deaths for countries with populations of 6 million or under, not one of these small countries even comes close to our death toll, yes Scotland is truly a world leading nation but for all the wrong things and this all under our beloved Nicola and her SNP government.