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15 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

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On 10/13/2024 at 7:56 AM, MikeandDow said:

read the post  do your research i am not your lackey !!

17 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

and keep waiting do your own research  If you can not enter a search string you need computer lessons but i don't have a work permit so you will have to find some who has a permit 

As "not having a work permit", you have a very big mouth in "representing" (?) AN.

If you just "quoting" their policies,

it should be recognizable.

Otherwise,

"cutting their lawn",

even as a "lackey", or a "moderator",

you'd have a WP.

Just in context to your own interpretation of the law. 

7 hours ago, Sig said:

I don't believe "The basic question is, how many locals can teach the Korean language or even halfway decent English?" I believe the basic question at hand is the kind of visa the foreigner is on. How many locals can speak any given language is irrelevant.

You're right, I didn't mention that the students were attending degree programs. I suppose I figured that since I mentioned the university names, it would be understood, although I imagine some people do attend university with no intention of attaining a degree. I didn't think it mattered much, since the issue at hand is the visa. But if you'd like to know, one of them was a bachelor's student and one a master's. The bachelor's was something along the lines of Communicative Thai Language (I guess it makes more sense in Thai? To me that degree name sounds strange.) The master's student... I don't know. I only know she was studying in the Thai Language department. But I do know that her thesis had something to do with translation of an epic Chinese poem in Thai. It may have even been Thai linguistics, I don't know.

As to the program completely run by foreigners (I only mentioned that I know of one like this), I'd be reticent to share about it to a stranger or in a public forum because there is conflict at that university about it and it is in a precarious position. There is massive amounts of envy and insecurity among a lot of the Thai faculty and administration about it. There are regular incidents of sensitivities that need assuaging.... It seems to sometimes be on the brink of getting booted. But, I imagine it brings some good money to the university, as well as helps them with university rankings due to the research papers produced by the professors and students. It is also a degree recognized by the US and American students are even eligible for some kinds of US financial assistance, if they qualify, of course. As for other foreigner-run programs... I've come across some others over the years. No idea if they still exist. But at one time, there were programs nearly completely staffed by foreigners in Chula and Mahidol. Of course, I can't imagine the position of Dean or even Department Head in those universities ever being allowed to be taken by/given to a foreigner. That would be far too humiliating to the Thais.

I totally and 100% wholeheartedly agree that the traditional bureaucratic education system is far from ideal, to say the least. It sickens me when I think about how much better it could be if the system weren't seemingly only in pursuit of making a profit. Actual education seems so very much to be greatly distant from the various universities' administrations' main pursuit. The detriment of a serious education is overwhelming. But, until someone (or some group) is wealthy enough and cares enough to do differently... it seems this is what society is burdened with.

I have no idea what you meant by, "BKK is in Thailand, but Thailand is not only BKK." I mentioned nothing at all about Bangkok. I don't know what you may be referring to here. It seems to be a statement that virtually anyone in the civilized world would know already without the need for it being stated. I'm guessing that it has some sort of meaning that is going right over my head?

In context to repeatedly implementing "half-cooked" laws,

flip-flopping, insisting on outdated "stupid" laws, if considering the economic outlook and demands, it's a basic question. Because it reveals the deficits (Korean language excluded ;-).

Especially in those petty

"Win-Win" examples within student circles.

A lot of empty talk about "hubs" and "boosting"...

In the end, the crash into the same car is obligatory.

My interest in the foreigner-run programs was serious because my daughter is heading to university in two years. But your description of the situation is not  very surprising to me.

The "surprise" to me is its (still) existence.

The BKK area, on average, is the most developed  innovative and intellectual "modern" part of TiT society.

The rest is at least 30 years behind.

With, or without tourism and it's attached Photocopy-, and Visa-"Industry".

Exceptions confirm the rule.

6 hours ago, Sig said:

Every country has laws that people agree or disagree on. I don't think it is an unusual law for students on study visas to be banned from working or opening/operating a business. The reason for their visa is study, not work. There are work visas and business visas for those purposes. Not sure why you may think that is a stupid law. If categories of visas are stupid, then just let everyone in for whatever purpose they desire?
You are apparently not well informed on university degrees and their usefulness. The Chinese girl who I mentioned, was in a program for a degree in Thai language. So, you'd esteem a degree in Thai language from any run of the mill European university over a Thai university just because of your perception of Thai education? There are a number of programs in Thailand that are very decent even on an international level. I even know of at least one program at a mid tier Thai university that is completely run by foreigners, from the Dean and Department Head to every professor, most of whom are members of a well respected (throughout the world and top level universities) international organization pertaining to their program. You need to look at specific programs if you care about an education in any specific field, which any meaningful employer would know. But if you only care about a piece of paper that says you finished uni, then I suppose your generalization would hold ok. I wouldn't say excellent programs is the norm for their international programs, but using such a broad brush to dismiss Thai university degrees altogether is about as informed and rational as the rest of your comment.

About the students: As long as they didn't run a kind of "Language School" enterprise, it's just the typical overreaction. Still, I don't think, they've been deported in cages and put on a "naughty list".

The basic question is, how many locals can teach the Korean language or even halfway decent English?
Foreign "NES" tourists, who finished a TEFL-crash course in Phuket are not a solution.

When I determine "stupid laws" in my personal view, it doesn't mean it's the correct choice to ignore or break the law.  Those young students surely got somehow along with the consequences.

But details help to clarify.
You didn't mention, that the student was attending a "degree in Thai language".
But, I ask myself, what is the degree? Master in translation? Master in Thai language history, the development of different dialects...Is it a master's or bachelor's "degree" course?

As long as dinosaurs are in charge, it continues with the one-step up, two-step back syndrome.

So, as you're partly agreeing about the average university degrees,
I'm curious about those completely "foreign-run" programs in the "mid-tier" universities.
 
The acceptance and efficiency within an ancient, traditional education-, bureaucracy-system, and the corresponding society are mediocre at most. Despite all mantras.

BKK is in Thailand, but Thailand is not only BKK.
 

7 hours ago, Sig said:

Of course, this is with the assumption of illegal work, which I don't even know this article was actually even truly talking about....
With that assumption, add a 5 or 10 year ban with that deportation. I think that would make a lot of people think twice before doing such stupid things, although, of course, it wouldn't deter all of them. I knew a Korean who risked their university education by teaching Korean part time at a local language school. She ended up banned and lost her study opportunities and wasted 3 years of study time at Thammasat. Another student, a Chinese girl that I knew, decided she would open a little Chinese restaurant with her Chinese boyfriend (both studying at Kasetsart Uni). They also got booted and lost the years of time they spent toward getting a uni degree. It made the foreign students in those universities think a lot more about trying to make a few extra baht while they were here for studies.
I remember back in the early 2000's (in Mae Sot) seeing trucks with cages on the back, loaded up (and I mean jam packed) with Burmese illegals being hauled back to Burma. They definitely didn't look thrilled with their situation. I'm sure some will just come back, but with their names being on the naughty list, I'd imagine it deterred a lot of others from trying to cross back in again.

So, I guess those students had still a good time.

Stupid laws, stupid prizes.

Move on!

Teaching the Korean language seems also to be reserved to Thais only. Lol.

I guess, to be on a "naughty list" is more the nightmare of the Farang  apologists and "wannabe-assimilated" old farts, calling themselfes "Expats".

But crying for deportation and decade long bans of their fellow "aliens"!

Btw, outside this self imagined

"center of the world", you can wipe your axxe with a TiT, 3rd class university degree. 

Even in Korea!

Most of those "Tour Guides" are obsolete anyway. 
There is nothing to "guide" here anymore, what every idiot couldn't find out by himself without being ripped off. Just by staring at his phone.

Even better translated.

The agencies just trying to take care of those stupids waking up every morning.

Helping them to feel "smart" is very honourable, isn't it?

TiT-style "social work" for foreigners.

The only problem is that there are not enough stupids waking up every day to cater to all those new agencies offering the "unique" service.

The same inflationary market extortion, like 33 weed shops and 77 Restaurants in every block.

Another "ban". Lol.

The common, clueless reflex to disaster.

The most feared effect might be any harm to the self-imaged reputation as a "first-class" tourist destination.

3 minutes ago, Caldera said:

That seems to make the news every few years, over and over again.

 

But it isn't news, every British pensioner deciding to reside in Thailand knows about this and needs to take it into account.

 

Personally, I think freezing the state pension of individuals who choose not to spend their money at home is well justified. That's ultimately a political decision and I don't see any change coming. 

Unrighteousness pops up frequently. Even if it's not "new".

"New" is the coming change of taxing rules for foreign residents in Thailand (state revenue), and a lot of whining about it.

All the (obviously) so "well-off"

Ex-pats here, mocking their pension-dependent fellows, could also have considered any change of tax rules before.

Personally, I think the taxing of foreign residents is well justified.

😂

8 hours ago, milesinnz said:

UK government petty mindedness... but then, how can they make up for the money it costs to house and feed the illegal immigrants.... ?

Good question.

There might be some context to the Globalist-, and WEF-agenda.

These are the masters of the hypocrite "Leftists" in power.

These democracy "safeguards" get a kind of "brown envelopes" from there. 

Same, same (corruption), but different. At a higher level.

The water-carrying, ideological idiots are the fewer.

Useful at the moment, like the brainwashed voting sheep.

Later, "deplorable"?

The cluster fxck reaction to those

So-called "traitors" daring to leave their European home SH, by moving to another country to spend their own earned pension. 

Instead of spending it into the "woke", corrupt, but bankrupt eco-system. Aka, not supporting the globalist population exchange program, mostly with antisemitic low-live cavemen, of incompatible "cultures".

Just another brown envelope event.

"Tight-lipped".

Too many, or too few winners in the urine contest?

Both ways are not boosting tourism.

The hub of self-shot feet.

On 9/24/2024 at 8:54 AM, Thingamabob said:

Because it's now available in Thai, not only in English as previously.

So, now they could realize the content by themselves?

On 9/24/2024 at 6:55 AM, Classic Ray said:

Most democratic societies separate the military and the state, with military and the police forbidden to take any active role in politics.  They are seen as the servants of the society rather than the masters.

 

Unfortunately they don’t seem to take this role in Thai society, with even teachers and civil servants wearing military style uniforms. 

Every TiT parking lot guard feels "superior", and like a "General", just because of wearing a fancy "clown"- uniform.

...and the clown-show, about elusive dreams doesn't stop.

On 9/20/2024 at 2:54 PM, shackleton said:

I have to 😃 to myself everytime a incident of negatively is quoted in the news Media of Pattaya 

Everytime it's quoted tarnishing the Image of Pattaya 

What image of  Pattaya is  the Thai authorities trying to protect 🥱

Pattaya is  known as the Sin city capital of the World and its not going to change  

In the near future 😱

Exactly.

"Clowns" changed mostly anything, anytime, anywhere,

into the negative only.

No matter, how hard they tried to achieve the opposite.

That's the clown's destiny.

1 hour ago, redwood1 said:

 

Exactly ...... Are 99% of the people in the world sheep with no brains and unable to think though what getting a new phone means? 

 

As you have written very clearly.....Getting a new phone in a tremendous burden, and involves huge amounts of work to transfer info.....Is a nasty experience.......And not a single peep from the media about this......EVER... 100% .....ZERO......

Most of these idiots are getting some set up right in the shop, where they purchased the new "pos".

With a newly created Apple ID or a new Google account right on the spot.

Like "idiot#987654321

[email protected], or [email protected].

Just to make the basic functions work somehow,

and the customer is happy.

The "pos" is sending all the personal data anywhere into all those "super-safe" clouds.

Aka, surveying them, even in the local restroom, to provide "personalized" offers and "experiences".

They annoy you with 12-factor authentications, fingerprints, and KYCs, only to make sure it's really "your" data they're collecting.

Only for your own safety.

My 13-year-old son was asked for KYC, an ID card, photos, etc., for a stupid gaming platform.

"Safety" and "secure" are the most abused terms in present times.

I'm waiting for some kind of "DNA" authentication to achieve complete control and transparency, but only for the surveyors.

A chip "implementation" wouldn't be so bad.

At least the advantage is that it would save many "screen-staring" guys from stumbling around and many other accidents...

What goes around, comes around.

They want to get prepared for the digital wallet! Perhaps they could use the 10k Baht to pay that pos off. Lol.

Btw, most of them use the devices just to take selfies and show off.

If they'd really use all the capabilities of a smartphone nowadays, they wouldn't change it so often. To change your phone, set up your personal system preferences, reinstall, and set up all your apps, the credentials, and two-factor authentications for accounts, wallets, or anything can be a time-consuming nightmare.

Even with a backup.

I avoid it as long as possible.

The scam, to force you to get a new device by rejecting the use of some apps due to not installable OS or app updates anymore, is appearing more frequently.

19 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

For Samui, that is very cheap.

I used to rent out my two bedroom bungalow for 50,000 THB - per month.

Every morning some stupid ones waking up!

The funny thing is, many like to gather on the "pristine" island of Ko Samui. Lol.

9 hours ago, geisha said:

I doubt the very wealthy want to live in Thailand, and they know exactly what to do with their money. 

Exactly. The big money sits in countries, which are not participating in clubs like the OECD.

This was also a political aim to join it, to polish their reputation.

The additional Tax revenue is a welcomed side effect at first glance. Without thinking about how to achieve their goal administratively and about the possible feedback, or backslash.

Long winding talking back and forth, the bureaucrat monster, where one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, is predictable.

Aka "Digital Wallet".

Maybe again, another shot into the own foot. Instead of achieving the fixing of the local Tax revenue, they're opening a new long-lasting "construction" site, which might end up with a "peanut." revenue.

I see the issue, until now, quite relaxed.

10 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

You too. Take it easy. I am only here to stir it up. 😉 

 

I'll agree on that.

Me too, sometimes.

At least we can agree to disagree.

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

No, of course they don´t bother you. You might think that rules regulations and changes that makes procedures for getting and renewing permissions to stay are based on something. Do you think overstayers contribute to the negative or the positive?

But, don´t worry about it. It was just a metaphor, as I already know you will do all from not understand to deny everything possible. Now I will take my 4th beer and enjoy the evening.

To find overstayers, and judge them is up to the authorities.

To put them on the radar, should be no rocket science in the digital age.

They contribute to nothing.

To stay legal is up to us.

But nothing else. That's it for me.

To have a beer is a good suggestion. Have a nice evening.

4 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

If you do not feel happy where you are, don´t tell others to move on. Walk away yourself.

I correct myself. To whatever surface the nail in your foot is connected.

Maybe this makes it clearer...

It's just a Metaphor for a certain state of mind.

But, off topic, I like it where I am. And "Overstayers" don't bother me at all.

3 hours ago, Rolo89 said:

I paid this fee and never completed it as the DTV was coming. The airport fast track would kinda be nice but not worth $450 a month! They could double or triple the cost of this and it would be worth it if it got tax breaks. 

 

The security checking for this took weeks and loads of paperwork, DTV took 10 mins to apply for 48 hours to be approved.

For the real wealthy, the Tax issue is not a real issue. But it's an issue for the middle-class wealthy and all below.

The segments getting milked always and everywhere the most.

Tripling the visa fee by offering a tax exemption, would be nothing else than a "deposit" in advance. The rule and the way it's executed can change anytime.

Most of the wealthy people are smart. That's why not so many fall for this rip-off. Age is one valuable factor. But also there are other options.

As you said, the privilege of the fast track and a Limo Service, the discounts at some fancy shops and golf courses aren't worth

450 USD a month. 

But it might attract "wannabe" elites, or people who don't care too much about their money, and the math, which tells differently.

Not too many there of those. Within two decades. Fiddling with ridiculous details on a more or less dead subject will not revive it.