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Too many old f**ts "I'm alright Jack" around here.

This virus is here to stay and the alphabet is long, so if you too scared, just stay indoors and have everything delivered, it's that easy.

Protect your self whatever way you deem necessary, but don't expect others to sacrifice their education, jobs, business and well being of entire families just so you can feel SAFER.

On 11/18/2021 at 8:47 PM, placeholder said:

Once again you resort to personal attacks because you've got nothing.

Because I support a policy that will ease the stress on the public health system and save lives, therefore I'm only thinking about myself? . Stop with the mindreading. Your allegation is obviously an empty one. As is your reading of what my character may be.

And you just repeat your sentiments in different words.

Well, let's just hope that those who refuse to take the virus ultimately come to their senses or at least go to get vaccinated.

And to close you make predictions. Another kind of allegation devoid of evidence.

Let's agree that you've got nothing but evidence-free attacks on character and motivation. Nothing you wrote challenged in a logical or evidence-based way anything I wrote. What you wrote, essentially, constituted ranting. Which is a practice some resort to when their arguments have been repeatedly refuted. Try logic and objectively determined evidence for a change.

You are entitled to you opinion can do with your body as you wish, so am I and anybody else!

What you asking for/expecting will NEVER happen.

Prepare to stay home for the rest of your life if are you waiting for all the customers of your favourite restaurant/bar/etc. to be vaccinated and/or tested as this will never be enforced in Thailand (maybe for a week or two)

Live and let live!

Ciao!

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

First off, I don't care if you're vaccinated or not. These repeated claims by various parties who claim to support the rights of individuals not to be vaccinated are just shoddy pieces of social engineering. They provide no support to the validity of your arguments. Let's stick to facts and logic.

 

Yes, plenty of people do indulge in such behavior. But as we know, getting people to change their behaviors, whether it's obesity, alcohol abuse, or drug abuse is very difficult  because these are behaviors that get rewarded. with pleasure As far as I'm aware, non-vaccinating is not a behavior that delivers jolts of pleasure via the nervous system. Also, health the system is adapted to people with these behaviors. But right now the system is under threat from frequent surges of this pandemic. 

You obviously care about your self and what's in your interest only. 

Isn't having vaccine that supposedly protect you good enough for you? Why would others that are in low risk group be forced to get vaccinated for yours sake.

Maybe you feel superior to others and think others must do things to please you.

You had your shot, you are protected, be happy and move on. Don't expect others to get vaccinated so you can feel better/safer.

My advise for you is to come to terms that many people will never take any covid vaccine, and for those vaccinated, each and every booster round will see less and less volunteers.

Finally, let's agree to disagree.

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First off, you accused some pro-vaxxers of pretendinig to do it for others. You a mind reader? But there is a thing called enlightened self interest. That's what might be motivating them. You should look that concept up.

People are "forced" to do things all the time. Pay taxes, wear a seatbelt, etc. You apparently believe in "a right not to be vaccinated". Rights have to be balanced with obligations. If you are exercising a "right" that gravely affects public health, maybe that shouldn't be a right at all. Maybe you believe that everyone has the right to help make the public health system crash. I don't.

Plenty of people exercise their right to excessive consumption of sugar, processed fats, alcohol, tobacco, etc. knowing that will lead to poor health down the road and others will need contribute towards their treatments/hospitalisation/medications.

Many of the same people are in high covid risk now, but at the same time would love the healthier group that are not very much concerned with covid risk, to get vaccinated so they can feel safer.

Double standards, don't you think.

Once again FYI, I'm fully vaccinated but would never agree, let alone advocate for others to be forcefully vaccinated so I can feel better/safer.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

If you had actually been reading the posts here, you would note that those who refuse to get vaccinated are being criticize on the grounds that they pose a danger to others in 2 ways: 

1) That by not getting vaccinated they keep the pool of the unvaccinated large enough that the virus continues to pose a danger of infection to others.

2)That they pose a danger to the public health system by overwhelming hospital critical care capabilities.

In fact, I've seen very little expressions of concern as regards the health of those who refuse to be vaccinated. 

Key word in my previous post is "pretend/pretending"

We all know that each and every individual that decided to take a vaccine, done so in self interest.

This seems not enough for many, therefore they victimise unvaccinated and are happy for governments to force this upon people, once again in self interest!

To go down the path of forcing people to get/do something they are reluctant to, will benefit goverments only.

Remember that this time around you may be in agreement with draconian messures to take away people rights just because they are free to make life choices.

When the next pandemic or any other world event arrives, you might be in the vicctimised camp, so think carefully when you advocate to force others to do something in self interest.

I have a feeling that a lot of vaccinated folks don't feel too safe with all the latest info about the vaccines efficiency, therefore they like to victimise unvaccinated, pretending that they care for them, rather then admitting they they are worried about getting the virus and ending up in hospital.

If all the vaccinated want to pretend they care about others  lives, how about you stay home, since you can get a virus and pass it on!

This way you have less chances of catching/spreading the virus  therefore reducing hospital's covid beds occupancy and will save many lives lost to ALL other possibly deadly diseases/sicknesses that in many countries haven't been treated and/or detected for almost 2 years now. 

People need to stop pretending that they care for unvaccinated strangers. 

Most humans can't see/care beyond the tip of their nose anyway.

If you are vaccinated and believe it will protect you from getting very ill, why would you care about what others want to do to/with their body.

Assume this virus is here to stay forever, so learn how to LIVE and ENJOY your own life and let others do the same.

Btw, I'm fully vaccinated 

6 hours ago, HerewardtheWake said:

For crying out loud, when will the shorter quarantine become effective? The ASQ hotels say it is still the 14-day quarantine. 

10 days will end up as 11 nights, 12 days. Guaranteed! 555