Asian Frog

My 2 years old Labrador, named "Coquin", (He is a nice boy) is boring alone and I cannot visit my GF family because he is perturbating the house quietness (a couple of nice stingers doggies with a nice female who does not appreciate to be chased permanently by Coquin and her male barking permanently with a rodeo each time...So, the solution is probably to find a female for Coquin, around 1 year and half/ 2 years. Any information welcome. Life in Issan, enclosed small garden and free life in a peaceful village every week end this is the program ....

About the tittle 3PM: which day?

Your guess....

This long wait is probably due to heavy discussions in the background... Interesting to know if the repetition of 2006 coup cannot be done because inside Army some tensions do exist...

But to stage a coup you must control the Army totally or nearly. Is it the situation today? Inside the Army is the Government without Allies? I think the situation quite different from 2006. Your opinion?

Use Google Earth: it is free.

You locate on the map your target and get instantly the coordinates... and it is free!!!

Thaistudent 2000 is not one of our first 3 Thai students (They are very happy by their trainining and are very busy in preparing their examinations) Thaistudent2000 (as JohnnyBS) is obviously one of the sacked instructors.

G....., (Farangflyer)

As a former member of the management team, may I remind you that you have a reserve obligation?

And yes, you are an artist in disinformation....

Farangflyer,

Opinion(s) is one thing, accusation is another....

Forum(s) have rules up to a certain point, over ....LAW prevails.

Game is over, G.....: you overpass the limit.

Farangflyer,

Thank you for fueling your file, suing you in (criminal) court for defamation will be easier.

Do not think anonymity will protect you, your nonfunded accusations are going too far....

Farang Flyer, recently I have met two of your previous employers; you are classified as a notorious troublemaker: unfortunately we do not have get this information before hiring you.

I must admit to the fact you are an artist in twisting events.

You are very welcome Old Wanderer.

The controversy is set by a bunch of young guys more interested by Udon Thani Night Clubs and Karaoke than by training their students and they are very good flyers on the white board, but it is another thing in real conditions in the rainy season!

We have been oblige to clean our stable.

We have now top guys joining and everything is coming back to normal.

I understand the frustration of those guys: no more week end in Udon Thani!!!

Link to postbag letter of Khun Suwit:

http://www.bangkokpost.net:80/100908_News/...2008_news98.php

Thaistudent you are obviously one of those....but your informations are distorted and not updated...

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BANGKOK POST POST BAG

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:05:17 +0700

To: [email protected]

From: "Assoc. Prof. Suwit Laohasiriwong"

Subject: School for pilots just fails to take off

Dear Editor,

Please referring to an article on page in your newspaper dated sept. 8.

There were some errors in that piece of news which we would like to correct.

1. The costs in the figure which you quoted NPU as a source, there

was one big error there, the cost of 4 twin-engine planes should be

100 million Baht not 1 Billion Baht (perhaps Khun Sirikul Bunnag who

wrote this article did not understand that 1 billion = 1000 million).

2. " at the end of the programme, students are required to do five

hours's flying training" actually what she should write have to be "

at the end of the programme, students are required to do five

hours's "aerobatics" flying training. This is not offer by any

other flying schools in Thailand.

3. The far distance from Bangkok should not be any problems, what we

have at NPU is very good airport with one commercial flight a day,

and very excellent training area.

4. The college, has been approved by cabinet and NESDB before the

budget bureau committed 2 billion Baht for 5 years plan. Up to now

we only received 300 million Baht capital investment.

5. Should Khun Sirikul or Bangkok Post readers questioned why this

high standard international school do not get support from Thai

International to train TG future pilots ? Why do they keep

supporting private school before government funded institute ?

5. As for number of Thai students, we have started another batch of

5 students from Thailand, and we are also in the process of getting 8 students from Lao Aviation.

While it seems our flying school has been blocked here and there,

perhaps by some people who put their own interests before the

country, I hope your newspaper is not one of them.

Assoc. Prof. Suwit Laohariwong, Ph.D.

President

Nakhon Phanom University

One more point....

Local Carriers have inspected our set up and are generally very pleased, but it takes time to decide and also the current situation is not favourable. Each team has to report to its management, function of the expansion plan to decide about the recruitment and training. They have also current contracts to respect before switching to an other training institution: so it takes time....

And also, some opponents / competitors are actively lobbying against us in the Airlines boards; Farangflyer are you one of them? No, because they are not polemical, they use softer methods.

After reading your posts, taking into account some details, you can only be one of the sacked Farang Instructors....

Concerning the Chinese Market, Training inside China is not working well due to weather, pollution and ATC.... Chinese have a deficit of 1000/1500 Pilots per year

The Indian Market will rebounce: Civil Aviation is a cyclic industry. Oil Prices have cleaned some surcapacity and the aurvivors of the present oil price crisis will be in overheat soon: well known scenario.

Concerning the investments, tell to Bangkok Post to check its sources.... figures are fully wrong and have to be divided by 3 or 4.....

And we are only few months after the start of operations: Before making some rough assessments on the profitability and development of IAC, should you not wait at least one year of operation before?

About the A320 simulator, you are not well informed: the simulator is under preparation overseas and will be in our facilities in December. (As contracted and Planned and on time for the training)

Concerning the Flight instructors, at date, we are correctly staffed. We are very demanding and have rejected some candidacies: farang and Thais...So, some frustrations....

FarangFlyer, you seem very keen to destroy ....Have you some links with the sacked farang instructors?

And Pilot Training is a profitable industry (UK= more than 20 schools, USA, and close to us, Malaysia 7 schools and 1000 students, Australia)

Instead to be negative the question is:

how Thailand, ideally located between two huge markets (Namely India and China) can benefit of its location?

This a a non neglectible source of foreign currencies.....

'PROFITABLE INDUSTRY' ? Lets entertain that idea for a moment.....

Definition of profitable:

'Pure economic profit is the increase in wealth that an investor has from making an investment, taking into consideration all costs associated with that investment including the opportunity cost of capital. Accounting profit is the difference between price and the costs of bringing to market whatever it is that is accounted as an enterprise (whether by harvest, extraction, manufacture, or purchase) in terms of the component costs of delivered goods and/or services and any operating or other expenses.'

So, in accordance with the expenses report as shown in the Bangkok Post, IAC has invested 1,205,100,000 Baht in their business. That figure does not include salary costs, fuel costs, aircraft maintenance costs, airport fees etc etc.

Therefore, at 2.3 million Baht per person, per course, it would require approximately 524 students to take up the course just to recover the initial investment. To put that in another way, based on your plan of 60 students per year, it will take approximately 9 years to recover the initial investment!

As I said this calculation does not take into account a number of IACs operating costs like salaries, aircraft maintenance, student accommodation and food etc (and depreciation of assets, which at the moment are very high given the bankruptcy of Theilert, the aircraft engine manufacturer). So a more realistic forecast would be approximately 12-15 years to recover this investment! And then profit? hmmmm......Since the average life expectancy in terms of operational efficiency for a training aircraft is on average 20 years, I DON'T THINK SO!

That does not sound like a profitable (industry) proposition to me, and I certainly would not invest in IAC from a business perspective!

I am amazed that these figures were not taken into account at the planning stages. Perhaps then tax payers money could have been put to better use.

You also mention that IAC is ideally located between two large markets: India and China, yet you do not claim to have any students from either of these countries. I agree that China is a large market, however most of their training is done within China, and the remainder is sub-contracted to various flight training organisations in Australia (a fact that the Bangkok Post article supports). As regards India, the aviation market there is entering recession; Non-Indian National Pilots are being made redundant, and Indian Nationals are having their working rosters reduced, as aircraft are being grounded, and routes cancelled due to soaring fuel costs in India. Previous to the recession, most Indian carriers already had active training agreements mainly with USA based flight training organisations (and some Australia based).

Sorry to steal your thunder old chap, but making statements without basing them on hard fact and evidence has to be hitting the Thai tax payer hard.

I do not know where Bangkok Post has found its figures but they are fully wrong and do not correspond to real investments far from those figures. Please telll to Bangkok Post to check its source....

And Pilot Training is a profitable industry (UK= more than 20 schools, USA, and close to us, Malaysia 7 schools and 1000 students, Australia)

Instead to be negative the question is:

how Thailand, ideally located between two huge markets (Namely India and China) can benefit of its location?

This a a non neglectible source of foreign currencies.....

'PROFITABLE INDUSTRY' ? Lets entertain that idea for a moment.....

Definition of profitable:

'Pure economic profit is the increase in wealth that an investor has from making an investment, taking into consideration all costs associated with that investment including the opportunity cost of capital. Accounting profit is the difference between price and the costs of bringing to market whatever it is that is accounted as an enterprise (whether by harvest, extraction, manufacture, or purchase) in terms of the component costs of delivered goods and/or services and any operating or other expenses.'

So, in accordance with the expenses report as shown in the Bangkok Post, IAC has invested 1,205,100,000 Baht in their business. That figure does not include salary costs, fuel costs, aircraft maintenance costs, airport fees etc etc.

Therefore, at 2.3 million Baht per person, per course, it would require approximately 524 students to take up the course just to recover the initial investment. To put that in another way, based on your plan of 60 students per year, it will take approximately 9 years to recover the initial investment!

As I said this calculation does not take into account a number of IACs operating costs like salaries, aircraft maintenance, student accommodation and food etc (and depreciation of assets, which at the moment are very high given the bankruptcy of Theilert, the aircraft engine manufacturer). So a more realistic forecast would be approximately 12-15 years to recover this investment! And then profit? hmmmm......Since the average life expectancy in terms of operational efficiency for a training aircraft is on average 20 years, I DON'T THINK SO!

That does not sound like a profitable (industry) proposition to me, and I certainly would not invest in IAC from a business perspective!

I am amazed that these figures were not taken into account at the planning stages. Perhaps then tax payers money could have been put to better use.

You also mention that IAC is ideally located between two large markets: India and China, yet you do not claim to have any students from either of these countries. I agree that China is a large market, however most of their training is done within China, and the remainder is sub-contracted to various flight training organisations in Australia (a fact that the Bangkok Post article supports). As regards India, the aviation market there is entering recession; Non-Indian National Pilots are being made redundant, and Indian Nationals are having their working rosters reduced, as aircraft are being grounded, and routes cancelled due to soaring fuel costs in India. Previous to the recession, most Indian carriers already had active training agreements mainly with USA based flight training organisations (and some Australia based).

Sorry to steal your thunder old chap, but making statements without basing them on hard fact and evidence has to be hitting the Thai tax payer hard.

And Pilot Training is a profitable industry (UK= more than 20 schools, USA, and close to us, Malaysia 7 schools and 1000 students, Australia)

Instead to be negative the question is:

how Thailand, ideally located between two huge markets (Namely India and China) can benefit of its location?

This a a non neglectible source of foreign currencies.....

Bangkok Post

School for pilots just fails to take off

by SIRIKUL BUNNAG

NAKHON PHANOM : Only three Thai students have enrolled for the first semester at the two-billion-baht International Aviation College _ an institution observers say is a prime example of politicians starting up self-serving projects...[more]

It takes time to launch and trim such an organisation. Currently we have not 3 but 8 Thai Students plus 15 Qatari Students (and 15 other Qatari Students stuck because of the political turmoil, awaiting the signature of the Transport Minister to join..) Our Flying school has started operation in June... Not so bad!!! And we are in advanced discussions with two Airlines for 2 batches in the next 3/4 Months (Confidentiality required as the discussions are not yet finalised).....The capacity of the school is currently 60 students and it should be reached in 2009.

The school i\s technically better located far from Bangkok and other training areas (Pattaya/ Korat = Military training). Bangkok = commercial activity. Only non professionals of Civil Aviation are thinking differently. It is true that Private students are most located in the area of Bangkok, but our real customers are not Private students but AIRLINES, and the quietness of Nakhon Phanom is ideal for studying ...

Plenty of craps in the infos, none a students has flown in Laos: we are under permanent control and contact with Sakhorn Nakhorn Control...

Training of pilot requires a constant policy and follow up: Due to unstability in training, utilisation of part time military pilot instructors does not give the best results.... More if the Military Pilots are extremely good in "General Handling" we may have some reserves in some other aspects, because Military and Civil pilots correspond to two different specialisations.

Why IAC? Not because of a local politician, but because some were complaining about the too low standards of training in Thailand.....That's an other reason which has been given to us when we have designed this school: I understand that the big gap in quality of training is creating some reactions....

We are also very demanding in our recruitment and some frustrations are developing.....

" The caravan is passing by and the dogs bark...."

Reaction....(Continued) .

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Please send me a PM, if you are a producer in the area (80km radius from NP)

Thanks

Best Pizzas????

Only one adress NAKHON PHANOM "Chez SAmian" (In front of regional hospital. Real European pizza...

Yes, we have sacked some farang flight instructors for various reasons. I understand the previous post as part of their reaction ...

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my wife employs a girl from her village since a week and I have been told her story. I cannot keep silent because as farang, in touch with better working condition standard, we have a responsability to improve the situation.

To the story.

Her father was a welder and as you can see in Thailand, welders are rarely using protective masks. Her father became blind and could not work. So loosing his job, he find himself a useless load for his family. He stop to eat during several days, and a morning his family find him dead: he suicided himself by blocking his nose and stopping breathing.

So next time you have a welder doing some work at home, please offer him a protective mask and oblige him to wear it ...

Bergen

Not yet, the typhoon is not yet affecting Thailand. You have been victim of an isolated thunderstorm.

A typhoon has an average radius of 400 NM (750Km).