9 hours ago, JackThompson said:

The last quote attributed to me ("Hi, do i interpret...") is not my quote, but, in any case.

It is the "conflation" of 2 old rules, which went non-enforced for decades.

 

You can ignore this if you don't need anything from an immigration office.  This is why many use multi-entry visas and do border-runs - because of how they are/were treated at their local immigration office.

 

You can also ignore TM-30 reporting if you are served by an immigration office that Does Not Care - such as Chang Wattana, the mothership-office (last I heard, anyway). 

 

But if, "The immigration officer just informed me..." at your local immigration office, then by all means, do it.

Thank you, there is just so much information and misinformation going around, and different requirements from different IO's that its so hard to make sure you are doing the right thing.

PS   Sorry,my bad on quoting my post instead of yours.

18 hours ago, jamieoutlook said:

  On 10/6/2017 at 12:56 PM, Kay McDonnell said:

I am in Phuket immigration office getting my business visa. 
The immigration officer just informed me that every time you come back on into the country you have 24 hours to report to immigration to confirm your address. That is those people on retirement, marriage and business visas. 
If you return on weekends, the following Monday you report. Excluding public holidays. 
This is straight from the immigration officer. 
Please take note.
2,000 Baht maximum fine.

On 10/6/2017 at 2:59 PM, JackThompson said:

At my office (Jomtien), even those on Tourist Visas must file this, if they wish to apply for an extension-of-stay in the future.

 The pertinent point is right here.>>>>The immigration officer just informed me that EVERY TIME you come back on into the country you have 24 hours to report to immigration to confirm your address. That is those people on retirement, marriage and business visas.

So, back to my original question >>>>>

On 10/7/2017 at 10:02 AM, JackThompson said:

Hi, do i interpret this correctly in the case that if i get either a TV from an embassy, or just a 30 day VE that when   i come back to my residence  that i need to , in person, report to imm office to confirm my address which they already have.

   OP quoted EVERY TIME you come back into the country you have 24 hours, etc, etc 

Does this apply  in the case of coming back into the country after leaving it to get a visa?

To me it does viz>>> EVERY TIME.

No one thus far has either confirmed or refuted this OP query.

Thank you.

PS...i have been here on TV's and VE's for more than 6 months so understand the sect 37 & 38 and extentions etc,and my address is unchanged, but this is a new requirement, if it is true..as OP headlined>>>

More new RULES?

Is it a new rule or is it just confusion over an existing rule?

On 10/6/2017 at 12:56 PM, Kay McDonnell said:

I am in Phuket immigration office getting my business visa. 
The immigration officer just informed me that every time you come back on into the country you have 24 hours to report to immigration to confirm your address. That is those people on retirement, marriage and business visas. 
If you return on weekends, the following Monday you report. Excluding public holidays. 
This is straight from the immigration officer. 
Please take note.
2,000 Baht maximum fine.

This, from OP is also my question because,as someone said ,t also applied to TV's.

Anyone?

9 hours ago, BritTim said:

It depends on the immigration office where you are applying. To extend a tourist entry, if you are staying in a hotel, just the hotel name and address on the TM7 form will usually be sufficient. You may be asked to show something to prove you are staying at the hotel. If not staying in a hotel, as others have posted, some offices will insist that a TM30 notification by the housemaster be submitted. There are many threads on here about what this entails, and the different levels of pain that might be experienced in complying.

 

If you are in the situation of needing an extension of a tourist entry, unless in Bangkok, it is best to check in to a hotel for the day (if not already in one) before applying for an extension.

Thanks,I have a lease on a condo,so as i said, the imm office already has my details.

My main query is, as i asked above in response to Jack Thompsons post;

18 hours ago, JackThompson said:

At my office (Jomtien), even those on Tourist Visas must file this, if they wish to apply for an extension-of-stay in the future.

My query is not so much about the extension, but about the need  to report to imm office as i said.>>

Hi, do i interpret this correctly in the case that if i get either a TV from an embassy, or just a 30 day VE that when   i come back to my residence  that i need to , in person, report to imm office to confirm my address which they already have.

Thanks for input.

8 hours ago, JackThompson said:

This reflects what others have posted here regarding the enforcement of the TM-30 rules.  Only those who don't need to ever use Immigration services can avoid this - but each office enforces the rules differently. 

 

At my office (Jomtien), even those on Tourist Visas must file this, if they wish to apply for an extension-of-stay in the future.

Hi, do i interpret this correctly in the case that if i get either a TV from an embassy, or just a 30 day VE that when   i come back to my residence [and as i do, wish to extend later] that i need to , in person, report to imm office to confirm my address which they already have.

If so what do i need to show them to confirm my address please?

1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Thumbs up, New Zealand, for being a world leader in that regard. So how do they prevent you from still using the old one in some countries?

Thumbs up indeed for making such a well respected and high tech passport.

I guess that if you are going to try to enter some 3rd world country without any scanning abilities you may get away with it, unless of course it had actually expired already.

In the same scenario ,If a 3rd party has possession of it, unless they were a dead ringer for you, in the two pics which are built into the plastic page, [can't replace the photo, as in others ]there is probably not much chance of using it.

I presume that if the NZ authorities have gone to so much trouble to make such a good passport initially, they they would have some other built in protection.,

3 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

You apply for your new passport, then, if you later pick it up in person, you have to hand in your old passport, which, probably, will be returned to you, but with the corners cut off, so you always have a valid passport.

 

You may have to transfer your current visa, e.g. Laos visa, to your new passport. Depending to which countries you are travelling, you may want to take your old passport with you too for the next six months. (I lived in China for a while, and     border immigration there regularly asked me for my old passport, even months after I had gotten a new one.)

NZ passport is modern tech.

When you request a new one and receive it, the old one is auto cancelled online..none of the old cut the corners nonsense  now.

On 9/11/2017 at 9:57 PM, BritTim said:

Many consulates, if they consider that you have been abusing their issuing serial tourist visas close to Thailand, will give you a last visa, but stamp the passport in red with something along the lines of

 

This red stamp, in practice, means that Vientiane (and some other locations) will no longer accept any more applications for more tourist visas, no matter what documentation you provide.

Thanks as that is the one thing i was still unsure of.

viz..So They will give a "last visa" if you have for whatever reason they deem so, and give you the dreaded red stamp telling you not to come back.

I was worrieed that when they do actually give the red stamp that they would also NOT give the visa.

Is the way i see it correct please?

Thanks to all who posted correct and relevant info.

Now i have all i needed to know, and will proceed basically as i planned with visits to embassy's and will keep my 2 land border crossings as an ace up my sleeve.

ADD

Another query.

If one has a visa or a VE can you be refused an extention at imm office?

Or is this one automatic?

21 minutes ago, acenase said:

 

Yes it does guarantee entry. It is the Thai consulars job to decide if they will issue the Visa or not. If they issue the Visa it means you shouldn't have a problem.

 

If you are denied by IO, then that is called Corruption. 

 

The most they will ask you is to show proof of cash and flight ticket, which anyone should be able to provide. If you can't provide 20k in funds anyways, thats a big red flag and you shouldn't be traveling to Thailand with such limited amount of money anyways and deserve to be turned away.

 

From Thai embassy website>

– The visa validity is the length of time you are permitted to travel to a port-of-entry in Thailand to request permission of the immigration officer to permit you to enter Thailand. The visa does not guarantee entry to Thailand.

sit.

– Each time you arrive at the port-of-entry, an immigration officer decides whether to allow you to enter and how long you can stay. Only the immigration officer has the authority to permit you to enter Thailand. “

59 minutes ago, juice777 said:

The immigration officer at the borders.The embassy sometimes want proof of funds on paper.

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Thanks for all the feedback.

I really need to get this right as i have a major health issue and don't need any nasty surprises later.

In summary and correct me if i'm wrong

As ubon joe says there is no limit on the time one can stay here on a TV.

However, if one does not have the funds to show the immigration officer he can over ride the visa issued to you and refuse you entry.

 Realistically then, one can apply for multiple TV's , interspersed with VE's at land crossings twice PA successfully as long as you can show funds to the IO if he wants to see this.

I also have my bankbook showing a regular monthly payment from my social security office.

22 minutes ago, juice777 said:

At some point you might get the Visa and the red stamp I think. How many have you had from Vientiane?



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This one ,last week, after a couple of visa exemptions and land border crossings, but had quite a few from years ago, the last one being exactly 2 years ago.

In between had a retirement extention, but lost the capital and a lot more to a lovely lady 

Hence, back on a TV.

Edit..another query.

When i hear about having 20,000 baht on you etc, who is asking, the embassy or the immigration officer?

59 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Never heard of red stamp like you mentioned. You seem to be referring to the stamp an embassy or consulate put on your visa stating you may not be able to get another visa there.

You cannot be denied entry for staying here too long by immigration since there is no rule or regulation that states how long you can stay here on tourist visas.

The most common reasons for denial of entry are lack of financial proof and/or suspicion of working here. A denial of entry does not prevent you from entering again.

Thank you  for clarifying this ubonjoe.

The reason i asked was because there is so much mis-information around when one does do research as suggested by superglue.

Even now there is a  disagreement going on on this page.

I got it wrong then, about the red stamp,as you say it is given by the embassy and not at immigration.

 So, on this info, if the embassy, next time , or at some future time happens to give me the stamp, what options does one have to get back into Thailand?

If you have not used your 2 land border crossings already, i guess you can get back this way.

However if ,perchance you have used those 2 already what other options do you have?

Thanks.

+++ Will the embassy give you a "last" visa and add the red stamp so there is no "next time" or do they just give the stamp and refuse you the visa there and then?

4 minutes ago, superglue said:

 

You stated that you are pushing the limits.

Do your research & pay the consequences (or reap the rewards).

Thank you for your contribution, but all i really want to know is as i asked;ie

Next time i go to Vientiane and get a TV and at the border the IO decides that i am not wanted here any more, does he just, there and then  refuse my entry or does he give this red stamp i hear about and lets me stay for the duration of my visa and then i must go back to my old home country?

Can anyone please tell me what happens if or when the powers that be decide that i have been here too long.

I know i am pushing the set limits regarding living here as a full time tourist, but all i would like to know is  what is the proceedure .

Next time i go to Vientiane and get a TV and at the border the IO decides that i am not wanted here any more, does he just, there and then  refuse my entry or does he give this red stamp i hear about and lets me stay for the duration of my visa and then i must go back to my old home country?

Thanks for any relevant info.