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2 hours ago, bbi1 said:

  

Hopefully not coming back to work here again without a work permit?

Retired now 🙂

3 hours ago, schweizer said:

Surely if you are aware that you are or were on a blacklist, you would have been advised for how long you would remain barred

 

unless you did something criminal normal overstay excetera has a finite timing

Long story (in my other thread). In short, deported for working without a work permit more than 10 years ago. In the last year I engaged two lawyers - one said I was on the blacklist and for a fee they could get me off. Other said I am not on the blacklist. Hence wondering if EVISA checks against blacklist.

If not, maybe i go to a neighbouring country and buy a cheap return ticked and see if I get a DNB when I check in (a check will be done against APS).

Hi,

I posted a topic a couple of years ago about trying to establish if I am on the blacklist which is still unresolved.

Do you know if the EVISA system checks against the Blacklist?

Thanks in advance

On 10/23/2022 at 4:08 PM, BritTim said:

First, if you are denied entry, you will never be taken to the IDC and deported. That is not how a denied entry works.

 

If you try to fly into Thailand, there are three possibilities:

1. The airline will receive a DNB (do not board) instruction from Thai immigration via the Advance Passenger Information System. This is very frustrating, as it is usually impervious to any negotiation.
2. You arrive in Bangkok, and Immigration tell you that you are blacklisted, and will be denied entry. At this point, you have a chance to argue your case, and will probably ultimately be allowed to enter. If not, you will be held for a few hours at the airport until the airline that brought you to Thailand arranges your removal.
3. You arrive and enter without incident.

Entering by land, you will either be admitted without incident, or Immigration will try to send you back. You will have a chance to argue your case and, at some land crossings, they will probably make the effort to determine whether you ought to be blacklisted, ultimately admitting you.

 

A possible strategy would be to buy a ticket (important: same airline) that transits Bangkok to Vientiane or Kuala Lumpur. On arrival in Bangkok, try to enter. If unsuccessful, the airline should be happy to remove you on the already booked onward flight. You could then try to negotiate your way across by land.

 

It would be possible (but expensive) to have a well connected Thai immigration lawyer aware of your planned arrival flight, and prepared to assist you with the negotiations with Thai immigration on arrival. This relies on dodging a DNB instruction via APIS which is why I suggest only seeming to transit in Bangkok.

Thanks. I am thinking I will try and transit via BKK airport. The flight I am looking at is Thai Airways inbound - transit - Thai Smile outbound.   I understand that Smile is part of the TG group but will this combination constitute a same airline transit (both TG flight numbers)?

Hi,

To recap, 12 years ago I was placed on the blacklist for 5 years for working with no work permit.

I have just paid for a lawyer (recommended by a good friend in Thailand) to check the blacklist. The lawyer came back saying that their immigration contact said I am not in the blacklist.

Sounds great, but several lawyers I contacted 3 years ago said I would always remain on the blacklist and that I should apply to Thai Immigration for permission to enter as 5 years has passed (I did this a year ago but no reply from Thai Immigration). If Thai Immigration grant me entry, he said they would flag my record in the blacklist against my name saying OK to enter. (i.e I would still be in the blacklist but allowed to enter).  This conflicts with lawyer one who said I am not on the blacklist now.

I have a dilemma:

1. Do I get a 3rd opinion?  OR

2. Travel to Thailand now and see what happens?

If I do travel:

Land Border crossing - if I am still on the blacklist they perhaps will just turn me around on the spot and tell me to go back to Cambodia/Malaysia (i.e. not send me to the IDC in BKK and deport me).

Fly. If I fly I may get a Do Not Board (DNB) at check-in. But, if for some reason I don't get a DNB and arrive in BKK and am still on the blacklist, the lawyers from 3 years ago said I will likely get arrested, taken to the IDC and then deported.

I would appreciate any input.

Thanks.

19 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

This is probably not the best time to be doing such as nobody is currently being allowed to enter Thailand for any reason so what will be the case in a month or two is still up in the air (there may be work/family requirements for those coming first and likely to be quarantine so tourists would not want to come and different countries may be subject to different rules).  We are trying to come out of a black hole.

I was thinking that it's going to take some time to process so best initiate now.

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Immigration should of already removed the blacklisting if it has already expired but they often fail to remove it from their system.

I don't think there is a requirement for you to a have valid reason for entering the country.

Sadly, I am still on the list. Thailandelite actually checked with immigration before they would accept my application. They said I should get a lawyer to contact Immigration on my behalf to request removal - apparently its not automatic ????  As a result, I have contacted lawyers and getting mixed messages from them on what is required.

Hello,

I was blacklisted 10 years ago for working in Bangkok on a project without my company having the correct visa's in place. It has been confirmed I am definitely on the blacklist for a duration of 5 years. The 5 years has long passed and I am now eligible to apply to return to Thailand. I have contacted various lawyers and also applied for Thailand Elite (I dont have the money for it but wanted to see what they had to say). Thailandelite said I am not eligible to apply until I have engaged a lawyer to clear things with Immigration first. I am getting different stories from the lawyers - one saying they can apply for my removal but I need justification for returning (implying vacation is not a good enough reason).Another saying they will lobby on my behalf.

Is there anyone here that has actually gone though this process? Can you please advise on how best to do this and how long it takes.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks