Ronaldo777

Bought this rec cow August 27.000  shes not tall but a nice cow she had calf 2nd january . August also bought another cow very tall 24.000 not sure when shes due to calf but shes also pregnant she was thin when she arrived here but looks great now after taking care of her . The photos of the red cow was morning 2nd jan when the calf was born . 

7 hours ago, thoongfoned said:

just asked a local  cattle guy with 2 largish females (on the thin side) and one 2 or 3 month old 'baby' boy how much, 50,000 baht for the 3. every time i see him now he is going to pester me to buy.555 didnt think that sounded to expensive as a 1st off price thrown at me..... he says a 'good' female pregnate would be 30,000 baht ish......

Hi any chance of a photo of the cattle 50.000 which province are they . Not worried about them being thin if they are nice cattle i will come pick them up . 

1 hour ago, kickstart said:

Cobbler

             Protine of maize plant  is about 5-6% ,but with a plant with a high grain yield , when made in to silage the protein is increased to 9% ,but more important the energy levels increase ,it is the energy of a ration ,as well as the proteins that make cattle grow, with dairy cows  energy  levels, are more important than  protein levels .

A maize plant with cobs on , cattle can not digest the maize grains ,thay will just pass straight though the digestive system, that if thay eat it at all , hence chopping the plant is a lot better option,and when the cobs are at the  milky stage . 

As for a 30-50 % profit margin ,it is our piece of string ,if you have good quality grass ,all the better,but a 400 kg beef bull could  eat 20kg of good quality grass a  day ,you times that by 20 more that is a lot of grass to cut and cart ,do it your self or hired labour ( the op paying 12000 baht/month labour to me that is a lot , eats the profit margin ).

And concentrat costs ,do you buy a nice 16% protine pellated feed .at 10-11 baht/ kg god but expencive and cattle would grow well ,or a 16% meal cheaper but slightly less quality,or a 14%  meal plus a kg of soay bean meal ,soay bean not cheap  but it would give you about a 15% mix ,or a 14% meal  cheaper but cattle would grow slower, these type of things should be dissesed when your mises does her course ,and do not forget minrals ,a powerded minral mixed in with the feed  ,not  ,salt blocks only, cattle would be short of minrals ,but salt blocks should be feed as well . 

One problem breed of cattle ideally you want Brahman x Thai Native thay will fatten well, growth rate not on par with Charolais but ok ,do not buy any Indo Brazil ,the long-eared things or any Indo x thay just not get fat ,Google Indo Brazil , then look at a Charolais,no comparison.

Must agree on the Pric Thai , the bottom will drop  in time ,a typically Thai thing one person dose it ..........

This year it will be bananas last year there was  a shortage  this year  you will not be able to give them away ,but cattle love them  

2 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Has anyone been to a market lately and sold a cow,calf or bull and what price per kilo did you receive.

Still trying to get my head around not so much the OP's intentions but how many are required to fatten to make it viable.

I plan to go to my local market to check prices out but will be after new year.

At the market the meat wagons are full at closing time many nice looking bulls the meat wagons will unload one and take a turn if you ever see anything on you like . Local markets to me start 4am prices are high at 5am 6am come tumbling down near closing time 9am at 10am its the meat wagon or take them back home . Real nice cows and heifers are still fetching decent money way above the meat man prices but prices are still down from what they were .

2 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Has anyone been to a market lately and sold a cow,calf or bull and what price per kilo did you receive.

Still trying to get my head around not so much the OP's intentions but how many are required to fatten to make it viable.

I plan to go to my local market to check prices out but will be after new year.

Guy near me was offered 97 baht a kilo for 560 kilo charolais bull by the meat man he did not sell him but managed to sell him private for 64.000 to a guy that wanted to breed from him the bull was a cracker . I have seen young bulls 8 9 10 months old brahman x thai being sold for 15.000 to 20.000 recently 21.000 was paid for realy well made good muscle young red bull he was a beauty . 

If anyone needs corn silage please call this number 0630343285 they are cutting today and looking for buyers . You will need Thai speaking person to call them they deliver and unload one delivery 200 to 300 x 18 19 kilo bags . 

18 percent protein 260 baht a bag i use a 21 percent protein which i pay 290 baht a bag for . The 14 percent protein at 240 baht a bag is designed for what you need . 

Sorry thats the feed its 14 percent protein 240 baht a 30 kilo bag used by many farms i know that fatten cows . 2 kilos a day would be enough if you use the maize silage  3 kilos a day would quicken the process . If you want to cut cost use the 3 kilos protein and grazing . 

Castrastion can be done a farm that raises wagyu cattle for meat have all the bulls done i dont know cost i have never asked  . 

You can feed those cattle for fattening for 40 baht a day with very little work . 16 percent protein feed is 240 baht a bag delivered from surin they will need 3 kilos a day per cow . Maize silage is 32 baht for a 18 kilo bag they will need 9 to 10 kilos per day each cow . You could give them some rice straw in the evenings but they wont eat much . Dont forget to worm them out before using good feed into them ivermectin sorts out any parasites and worms or product of your choice  .

17 hours ago, kickstart said:

What I am trying to say ,is they are 2 types of maize silage ,the grown maize crop and chopped  for silage ,and what you are feeding the stuff you are feeding ,I still think it is  not a good  quality feed , compared with whole crop maize silage ,as a feed for cattle ,it is ok ,but  you will have to feed some form of  supplementary  feed , or you find that beef cattle will not grow as you expected, and with  any breeding cows ,you could have an infertility problem .

As for my quote about pinapple ,it was mixed with  the maize ,more maize than pineapple  but still  the same type of feed .

Regards.

KS

Yes this is the grown maize crop and chopped for silage . 

6 hours ago, kickstart said:

If it is what I think it is , canning waist ,we have had it around here ,last year I feed my cattle on canning waist ,for a few weeks , corn, mixed with pineapple waist I paid ,45 baht,25kg .

Problem with canning waist is the feed quality, protein  about  3-4 %, the main  problem is the   DM, dry matter ,it is a wet feed ,with a  DM  of about 20% , or 1 kg is 20% feed and 80% water, when  feeding it you will need a 14-16% concentrate  ,plus some minerals ,would be ok for a few beef cattle,but cattle with  a high percent of Indo Brazile  blood ,will not do so well , around here it was feed to dairy cattle ,but did not do a lot to the milk yeild , just to wet , and not enough enagey in the feed .

@CLW.    Sorghum, use to be grown  in this area a lot, fallen by the wayside now , use to be grown as a second crop after maize, likes a lot of  fertizer to do any good, and  uesd to be havested by hand, my miisses has done it said it iched  you all the time ,then you had to get the mobile thasher in .,to thrash out the grain  ,another hot dusty,noisey   job, by the time the combins arived ,it had lost popualaty ,we grew 25 rie combined  it  ,and lost a good few bart ,that was a red sorghum ,now there is a white sorhum hybrid  grown mainly as cattle feed. 

 

Sunflowers have ,you could say,  has replaced sorghum, they has been a fair bit wrote about sunflowers on this thread, now a popular crop, grown after maize , and now direct drilled in to the field ,and that's it , wait for it to grow ,then combine the crop,normally  no fertilizer or sprays are applied, on a downside the cost of the seed ,we grew it once ,a long time ago, then it was10 kg of seed 2600 Bart .

Look in TV's Central Thailand forum , past 2 weeks, a bit written about sunflowers.

Kickstart what i tried to say and did not make a good job of it was have two ways to buy from them either by the bag 18 to 20 kilo bags or by the tonne and they will use a weighing station to give you a slip of the weight .

Sorry to confuse everyone this is maize sillage nothing to fo with canning waste pineapples just maize silage thats what if is . 

Hope this post clears things up . 

10 hours ago, kickstart said:

I am intrigued, in my area making maize silage is almost an industry,  being a big dairy cow area, we have made it in the past ,all maize/corn  , silage is made from a growing crop ,cut and chopped , and bagged.

 So, what type of corn silage is it that comes from a "mill", is it from a canning factory? , any photographs, of the silage would be nice .

Also, around here a 25kg bag of silage is 50-55 baht, that is with grain ,silage with no grain is 45 baht/bag.

Sorry i meant slip for tonnage using weigh station at the mill . 

On 18/11/2017 at 1:17 PM, cobbler said:

Pardon my ignorance. What type of grass is it please?

Sent from my SM-T815Y using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Yes its corn silage . Corn silage can be ordered in different cuts a fine cut thats small or long leafy cut . Can be ordered bagged 32 baht for 18 to 20 kilo bags can be tipped and you use your own bags and bag it thats one baht a kilo . There is also a long leafy cut which has the cobs mixed in that two baht a kilo . They will bring you a reciept from the mill showing weight for delivery . Hope this helps .....

Paid 8500 a tonne . 

10 hours ago, kickstart said:

At this time you are at about at the end of the season for maize ,and it might depend on where you are  , here in Lopburi we are about done ,saw one crop to  day with cobs on ,but not full ,needs some more rain which it will not get .it will end up as cattle feed .

I would say the price would be 5-5.50 baht /kg .

Looking at Thai TV and the floods in Issan ,I would say the price would be higher supply and demand .

 

 

 be

 

 

Ok thanks i managed to source what i needed but had to pay 8.5 baht for nice quality maize . 

I want to check the price of maize per kilo/ tonne at present if anyone knows . 

On 05/11/2017 at 12:16 AM, John Sebastion said:

This is like Christmas makes me very happy.  Thanks for your assistance, and who says there is a lack of good people in the world.

400 bags delivered today . 

6 hours ago, John Sebastion said:

This is like Christmas makes me very happy.  Thanks for your assistance, and who says there is a lack of good people in the world.

Let me know how you get on john he should deliver you 100 bags because he wants drop 500 into me on monday or tuesday and i am only taking 400 . The feed is good double bagged will last 2 to 3 months . When cut fresh like this deivery is its being cut today try to leave 5 days before start feeding .  

Show city buriram its 10 11 12 nov not dates i posted on earlier post . 

9 hours ago, Isan Farang said:

Do you have any link to the location ?

0933633674 is the phone number . 

After you have the first delivery if you have a second delivery they will sell you for 30 baht a bag if you return the empty bag of previous delivery . 

Hope this helps . 

32 baht 18/20 kilo bags delivery free on 200 bags . I will pm you phone number they are delivering to buriram on monday or tuesday . 

Big brahman cattle show in Buriram on 17 18 Nov if anyone is interested .