ZEAK

And by having bins outside the shoot that are labeled, not ONLY does it make the area more tidy, but it ALSO makes people more inclined to recycle. Sort of like a little reminder every time they throw out their waste that a recycling program as been set up, so they should help contribute to it and separated their waste.

... have of cups to the bag of plastic bottles that I have separated from the regular trash. I wish that the recycling done here was a little more formal, you know, with bins and such for the different materials. I want to get something going in my condo unit, as everyone just leaves the glass bottles against the wall, and it can get kinda messy ...

So... your problem isn't about whether this or that gets recycled or not ... Your problem is that the maintenance of the areas outside your condo unit isn't quite as neat as in your home country ??? ... God, how I wished I'd never paid attention to such a silly thread as this.

To anyone - living on e.g. seventh floor of a farlang ghetto condo - rest assured that whatever you poor into the dumpster shaft will get scrutinized by at least 3 Thais on the ground floor and whatever could possible get recycled will be recycled - this included the poorly crumbled sheets of paper with personal data you may think you've got rid of.

No, I stated that is is done very informal, and as such, contributes to a dirty area outside of the garbage shoot. No one forced you to submit your opinion, God or Budda, so stop complaining to the forum as no one really cares.

So just because Thais will go through the trash looking for recyclables, it is some how "wrong" to want to make the whole process more efficient. Maybe it would do YOU some good to have to wallow in waste for a few hours looking for plastic and glass. And I highly doubt that the same people that are doing this, are compiling bits of info on everyone to commit identify theft. Think about it. Thats no to say that I still dont dispose of sensitive document the proper way though.

And pour is not spelt like the opposite of rich. Thats a tricky one, I know.

Good news is, I've just checked with head of household recycling and the clear plastic cups do get recycled.

In fact I found a few in our recycling bin.

That IS good news. I will add the collection I haveof cups to the bag of plastic bottles that I have separated from the regular trash. I wish that the recycling done here was a little more formal, you know, with bins and such for the different materials. I want to get something going in my condo unit, as everyone just leaves the glass bottles against the wall, and it can get kinda messy. Plus, I feel terrible when I walk past the bin in the basement and the guys are wading in it going through it all, what a horrible job!! Surely, if there were bins on every floor with it separated, they would much prefer to just go floor to floor collecting it. I had a word with management and didn't get too far, I think I will go and mention something again. It should not be to difficult to get a recycling program going for a condo unit. Some labeled open bins and a notice informing everyone should be suffice, I would think.

perhaps the OP could save all the plastic that they use and then take them to the recycling plant,

otherwise have your coffee on-premise in a mug or coffee cup, and make use of the aircon thats usually way too low using up valuable energy created by non renewable sources, and read the paper that they dont recycle.

Ummm, I usually sit outside, and I dont read the paper as it is mostly BS anyways. So, yeah. And the last time I checked, electricity was a fairly clean source of energy, especially hydro-electric or wind power. But I will from now on ask for a glass or a mug, if I know I will be staying. And someone mentioned that these cups do not get recycled, what a waste.

On another topic, I had a brief look at a book that mentioned the future business of waste management.....and how big it is going to be. Just makes sense if the trend continues, companies will be formed to deal with it, people will profit.

There are many coffee shops here in CM, in particular, around the Nimhamin area that use these plastic cups for all their iced drinks. I just cant bring myself to throw them out, even though I despise cheap plastic glasses.....and clutter. Its just that the plastic is so heavy, that it can be re-used many many times before one would "need" to dispose of it. I have a bunch of them already, and will have to sooner or later either have to stop saving them, or stop going for coffee.

I wish the coffee houses would give some sort of alternative to these plastic glasses. Its just such a waste and a strain on the environment. I like the plastic bags that they use in Singapore for teh ping, fun to drink out of and less to dispose of.

Anyone able to come up with some alternative for a take away container for iced coffee?

I feel like going out and hugging a tree.

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Very valid subject matter? The answers are clear as many posts have stated.

1. Recycle it, if you do not trust that it is being done then do it yourself along with all your other plastic, glass, metal and clean paper and get paid for it all. If you care you are already doing that.

2. Take your own cup or glass.

3. Get your coffee where they do not use throw away plastic cups, almost all takeaways involve more trash.

Think again about who needs their head readjusted.

It IS a valid subject, if it were not, there would not be "many" posts giving suggestions. You yourself gave 3 options, so you must also agree that it is a topic "worthy" of discussion. I do not think I need my head "readjusted" just for posting an opinion about the waste from these coffee shops. I thought it would be a nice light topic instead of ones of air pollution or hamburgers.

And to tell the truth, I was kinda looking for "out of the box" type ideas about an a

alternative take away container. I remember a while back about some hype about biodegradable plastic, something along that lines.

Umm, my post is EXACTLY the same, nothing has been edited as there is no flame

Aren't suggestions seem obvious if you think about it a little? I did not add any, I just summarized and expanded one because I clearly have too much free time today. As for the head adjustment, did you read the flame post before it was removed? That was about adjusting a head.

If you want biodegradable, returnable cups, or your coffee in a plastic bag just talk with the management and get what you want or bring your own plastic bag for your coffee or buy elsewhere. You can get good iced coffee in a plastic bag in Chiang Mai but the bag will probably not be recycled.

Sure, I can think of the obvious suggestions, but by asking a forum I was looking for other suggestions, if any. I dont see anything wrong with this.

I did read the flame before it was deleted, and I now see that your comment was in regards to that. Fair enough.

I feel better about throwing away a small bag than some huge plastic cup for some reason, the cup I just can't get over and have a small stock pile of them. I fear I am turning into my worst nightmare, a pack rat!!!

There are many coffee shops here in CM, in particular, around the Nimhamin area that use these plastic cups for all their iced drinks. I just cant bring myself to throw them out, even though I despise cheap plastic glasses.....and clutter. Its just that the plastic is so heavy, that it can be re-used many many times before one would "need" to dispose of it. I have a bunch of them already, and will have to sooner or later either have to stop saving them, or stop going for coffee.

I wish the coffee houses would give some sort of alternative to these plastic glasses. Its just such a waste and a strain on the environment. I like the plastic bags that they use in Singapore for teh ping, fun to drink out of and less to dispose of.

Anyone able to come up with some alternative for a take away container for iced coffee?

I feel like going out and hugging a tree.

<edit to remove flame>

Very valid subject matter? The answers are clear as many posts have stated.

1. Recycle it, if you do not trust that it is being done then do it yourself along with all your other plastic, glass, metal and clean paper and get paid for it all. If you care you are already doing that.

2. Take your own cup or glass.

3. Get your coffee where they do not use throw away plastic cups, almost all takeaways involve more trash.

Think again about who needs their head readjusted.

It IS a valid subject, if it were not, there would not be "many" posts giving suggestions. You yourself gave 3 options, so you must also agree that it is a topic "worthy" of discussion. I do not think I need my head "readjusted" just for posting an opinion about the waste from these coffee shops. I thought it would be a nice light topic instead of ones of air pollution or hamburgers.

And to tell the truth, I was kinda looking for "out of the box" type ideas about an a

alternative take away container. I remember a while back about some hype about biodegradable plastic, something along that lines.

Edited due to confusion. No coffee this morning, running slow.

The girlfriends friend had a baby, and I made the comment of "naruck", meaning, "cute", and I was told that this is not a good thing to say, as I will alert the spirits of this cute baby and they might want to harm it. It was better to say......I forget what, but basically the opposite of "cute". Go figure.

There are many coffee shops here in CM, in particular, around the Nimhamin area that use these plastic cups for all their iced drinks. I just cant bring myself to throw them out, even though I despise cheap plastic glasses.....and clutter. Its just that the plastic is so heavy, that it can be re-used many many times before one would "need" to dispose of it. I have a bunch of them already, and will have to sooner or later either have to stop saving them, or stop going for coffee.

I wish the coffee houses would give some sort of alternative to these plastic glasses. Its just such a waste and a strain on the environment. I like the plastic bags that they use in Singapore for teh ping, fun to drink out of and less to dispose of.

Anyone able to come up with some alternative for a take away container for iced coffee?

Why not buy one of those aluminum coffee mugs with the hard plastic lids. Will keep your drink colder for longer and no more waste. You would have to take it with you, but if you are that bothered about waste ? Its a small inconvenience.

Not a bad idea, I think I will do that. But I see the staff filling up the normal cup, then, dumping it into my aluminum mug, and then tossing the original cup in the bin. I dont know why, but I see that happening for some reason. TIT. But, will give it a shot anyways, if for nothing else but to see if really happens that way.

I just refuse to patronize shops that sell over priced coffee in a cup with a bitchin' logo.

Thus I strike the blow for global carbon footprint awareness! Just kidding.

I was involved in the advertising/marketing business for 20+ years.

Not to denigrate Starbucks, Wawee, etc., but their business model is based on what I term upward mobile aspirational consumer marketing.

In simple terms, this means: Look at me! I'm sitting here, drinking an exceptionally over priced cup of coffee, with a cool logo on the cup, and everyone can see that I have way more money (than sense).

They do create an environment that is cool, the WiFi is a plus, and I admit I occasionally partake. If meeting friends who insist, and there is a free jazz concert, and lots of nice people.

Not to sound like a grinch, or belabor the point, but you have been marketed to, have bought in on the program, and enjoy the marketed "package".

Don't worry about the cups, toss them in the trash, I guarantee they will be recycled.

It is something to do, something to pass the time while say....doing laundry, or a nice meeting place for friends where one can sit for hours and only spend 60 baht without feeling that the staff wants you to leave, like one would get in a restaurant. I understand what you mean about buying into the "package", but, the package is in demand, hence the popularity of coffee houses over the last several years. I dont think its so much as "hey, look at me" cause wawee coffee is not really expensive. Its a cheap afternoon for many, in a nice place where friends can talk. In my opinion its better than sitting in a dingy bar all day drinking beers, if you know what I mean.

I hope you are right about the cups being recycled, cause it just seems like such a waste.

There are many coffee shops here in CM, in particular, around the Nimhamin area that use these plastic cups for all their iced drinks. I just cant bring myself to throw them out, even though I despise cheap plastic glasses.....and clutter. Its just that the plastic is so heavy, that it can be re-used many many times before one would "need" to dispose of it. I have a bunch of them already, and will have to sooner or later either have to stop saving them, or stop going for coffee.

I wish the coffee houses would give some sort of alternative to these plastic glasses. Its just such a waste and a strain on the environment. I like the plastic bags that they use in Singapore for teh ping, fun to drink out of and less to dispose of.

Anyone able to come up with some alternative for a take away container for iced coffee?

So, to those that I offended with my questions and comments, I apologize, it was not my intention as I thought I posted in a rather civil way. I thought that thoughts and opinions were allowed, you know, with this being a forum and all. Anyways. Continue with your discussions on your gay topics that you find compelling, I will not disturb you anymore.

Cheers

ZEAK

You're in the wrong place. The gay forum is not a place for us to explain, defend or justify our existence. It's not a place where we're answerable to those who make sweeping criticisms about us. If you find, in the course of your daily existence, some gay people being rude to you ask them why that is. The gay forum is OUR place where, as you say, we'll continue with our discussions on our gay topics. That's what the forum is here for. If you can't cope with that you'd be better off elsewhere.

Hey, thanks for keeping the gay stereotype alive and well. Once again, going on the defensive, even after I posted an apology. Its remarks like these that anger people and breed intolerance. You think that by being rude and telling me off, when, I already said I was leaving, is somehow good for gays??? You cant see the forest through the trees, this remark only serves to REINFORCE my opinion of how straits are discriminated against by gays. Do you not see that you are just pushing this circle of intolerance round and round. Did you not read my post.

Its says NOWHERE that the gay forum is for gays only, so no, its NOT YOUR FORUM. This comment really makes me want to go and start a strait forum, just out of sheer spite at how rude you gays are for me posting ABOUT GAY ISSUES IN A GAY FORUM. What, you want me to post opinions and gays in the open forum? I already said that I think that would be inappropriate, but hey, maybe thats what you want, the whole world to "attack" you.

I was posting about gay topics, and people replied, and THATS WHAT A FORUM IS. What do you mean, if I cant cope with it, you better off leave? What the hel_l does that mean? I already said that I was leaving, and that I did not want further replies to this as it only provokes me to answer, and, with such short and rude comments like yourself, it upsets me with the amount of IGNORANCE there is here. But why sniffle and then throw sand at me as I am walking out the door. Just let it be endure, I apologized already, so why are you still giving me attitude.

Just let it be

Thanks for the replies so far.

Some good points.

So how much would insurance and tax for a 50cc scooter cost?

Hmmm maintenance on a condo. I have no idea what to budget for that? (on a 2mill bht 70m2 apt)

Dentist. Got good teeth so far. Again what to budget?

Good point re visa run. How much to run up to the border and back?

Just got some REALLY good insurance for personal accident, and a plan to cover my condo and contents(including laptop, cell phone, camera)stuff that would go missing fast in the event of a breakin. Total was 7k for both packages, WELL worth it in my opinion. Life insurance up for a million baht was included. PM if you want the details.

You seem switched on, and you are right, I do not want to offend anyone, but some times gays take offence WAY to quick.

Cheers man

Cheers, Zeek.

You remind me of the straight men I know who complain of being single and can't find a girlfriend or even a date. Yet, when they talk about women, they refer to them as "babes", "chicks", "pussy", or any number of derogatory or demeaning terms. They haven't the faintest idea what a woman likes, wants or feels. Is it no wonder that they remain clueless as to why they spend their Saturday nights with Righty (or Lefty)?

When confronted by other, more "together" men of Gay or Straight variety, who try to enlighten them by holding up a mirror to their behavior, they get all defensive and say "Why do the chicks have to be so sensitive? They're always so quick to get their knickers in a twist!" See, because it is all about THEM, they can't/don't see that it is indeed all BECAUSE of them and their own behavior.

I think we're wasting our breath trying to educate or enlighten Zeek, and make him aware of how other folks might feel about him, behave around him, or react to him as a result of his own way of being. That's fine, he can be whoever he likes, just like we can, if we are prepared to accept the consequences. We don't need to persecute him for who he is, neither do we need to waste our time with him.

I know exactly what kind of straight men you are talking about, the stereotypical "jock" type, and even though I may remind you of them, I promise you, I am NO jock or macho guy. I have a lot of feminine traits, not your typical jock type. FYI, my little sister has, and does watch more sports then me. I think I have watched one rugby game in my entire life. Its just not something I find important enough to spend my time on. I do have a girlfriend (of many years), and have never found it a problem finding one, most likely because I do not portray women like so many men do.

Hey, I have already come to the understanding that I am not welcome here, neither my questions or my comments. And the last incident had me upset for a day or two so I really just want to lay this to rest. But, since you posted your views, I will post some more of mine.

It is no more about you trying to enlighten me, as it is me trying to enlighten you. I have come to see that it is just a vicious circle, this word that we use so often called INTOLERANCE. It is just as easy for me to say that gays are intolerant to straits as it is for you to say the same. And in my mind, my experience posting my thoughts and opinions on this thread was that gays are VERY intolerant of the views of others. I would be correct in saying this, just, as you would be correct in saying that I am intolerant twords the tendencies of gays. Its is a terrible circle that I would not know how to break.

"Intolerance is the lack of ability or willingness to tolerate something. In pressed through angry argumentation, looking down at people because of their characteristics or viewpoints, negatively portraying something due the contrast with one's own beliefs"

I am guilty, just as you are. I was thinking about posting all my thoughts and feelings on this thead in the general "public" forum , but what purpose would that serve? I can see the nut jobs, homophobes comming out of the wood work to form sides, which, as I mentioned earlier, I am against. It would only breed more intollerace and hurt, which, was not my intention.

The main question that I asked never got answered. To many people went straight on the defence and started to cut me down and form ASSUMPTIONS about me. So, I did some of my own research and came up with my own conclusion.

I thought being gay was about being attracted to the same sex, but what I discovered is true for everyone. We all form these identity's about who we are and our place in the world. Jocks form the identity of what/how they think a jock should be and act, including the typical jock attitudes and views. Just as an example. But we all do it, not only jocks. When I meet someone new, I introduce myself by name, and usually the next bit of info is what I do for a living. Alot of people use their occupation as "thier identity". Others use some interest or hobby as thier identity. And most gays use that term to form thier identity. They take a lot, all, some or none, of the combined characteristics of everything they have ever know, or experienced about gays, and use them to form all or some of their own identity. Its their own little "place" in this world, to be and act a certain way. Just like it is with jocks, geeks, muscle heads, motorheads, punks, drunks, and all the rest of society. We are all part of a group, or many groups, thats what makes each of us so diverse.

"Homosexuality refers to sexual behavior or attraction between people of the same sex, or to a sexual orientation. The latter refers to a person's enduring identity as disposed to romantic and sexual attractions and relationships with those of the same sex, and not narrowly to their sexual behavior"

So, its NOT just about having sex with the same sex that makes one gay. It could be, but not limited to. Most gays assume the identity of being gay, and, it is my own belief, that some gays really like the whole idea of being gay more than the act of homosexuality, which, is fine too. I just wanted to know WHY gays "act" gay, and I feel I have found it, but with no help from this forum, as most of the posters portrayed the typical gay attitude and response, which is to go on the defence, portray me as some macho idiot, create a us/them atmosphere, make accusations of being attacked, claim I am intolerant, or make accusations that I my self am gay. I guess inside I was expecting this type of response, after all, it is the prevailing defence tactics of most gays, and everyone, gay or not, is aware of some of these. Not placing falt here, just telling you that you assumed some of these traits when you adopted the gay identity as your MAIN identity. Anyone would have done the same, as they feel that that is who they are, hence it is their right to be and act a certain way.

I feel I have reached the conclusion I was looking for, even though I still feel the hostility from gays, I have choosen to let it be, as I will only end up getting upset again, saying short tempered comments, and causing the circle of intolerance to go round. I do not want that, so please, do not reply to this thread because I will then feel compelled to reply. I will focus on my own immediate enviroment, and deal with rude people on a bases as when, if, if affects me, gay or not gay. As for the over the top gays that I can not help but notice, I will do the same when I am around some noise or smell that bothers me, which is leave. Problem solved simply and benignly.

So, to those that I offended with my questions and comments, I apologize, it was not my intention as I thought I posted in a rather civil way. I thought that thoughts and opinions were allowed, you know, with this being a forum and all. Anyways. Continue with your discussions on your gay topics that you find compelling, I will not disturb you anymore.

Cheers

ZEAK

Electronic toothbrushes are superior for cleaning, and moreso for care of the gums.

But I can't imagine buying one requiring a recharging stand, etc.to haul around (unless, maybe, that's all you can find here in Thailand....?). In the States, every drug store you walk into has a wall of battery powered (2-AA) toothbrushes and replacement brushes. Cost: about $6 for an all-inclusive (machine, brush, batteries) ensemble. They last quite awhile, but I usually bring one or two back with me when I cycle, along with replacement brushes; so far, I've only needed the brushes.

Anyway, curious these highly-portable battery jobbies aren't available in Thailand.... Is this also true in EU and Oz?

they have the battery ones here in Thailand also. A lot of them are low quality. I bought cheap Braun 400 baht at Big C and was really a disappointment compared to the Sonic Care or high quality Brauns. The better ones use ultrasound to penetrate the gum line and disturb bacteria and the vibrations or movements are much higher with the quality ones.

I did find the full line of Brauns at Central at Kad Suan Kaew. At the low end is a 990 baht double A battery model and then 4 others that peak at 4500 baht. Incidentally the high end Braun is a sonic type action similar to the Sonic Care. The other models use Braun's rotational motion. Nice selection.

I had some plaque around the gum line that was bothering me, and I can not get in to see my dentist for 2 weeks. So, I went to Kad suan gao and looked at the seletion, and ended up buying a Braun-Oral-B low end that uses 2 AA batteries for 790 baht. Took it back, and.....WOW. WOW. If a low end brush can get my teeth this clean, the ones for 4000 baht must me fantastic! This little brush, after the first use, got rid of that plaque that was bothering me!! And my teeth, feel so smooth, like pearls! I am VERY happy and will be picking up one for the misses as well. Thanks for posting about this and giving opinions.

Cheers

If I were you, and I am in the near future, I would sit down with a lawyer and discuss ALL the options. I have a good one in CM if you need, send me a PM. Best of luck to you both.

Long ago, I learned that I told inappropriate jokes about Blacks, lesbians, Jews, goat herders, and so forth. Because those jokes offended them, I stopped telling them, even to Whites, straight women, Gentiles, etc.

Most straight folks have figured out that they have not figured out gay humor. They don't even tell gay jokes with their best friends. I closed the gay jokes thread here with agreement from endure (co-moderator) and after several requests from our gay members, because the straight people's jokes kept offending us (and causing deleted posts). Let me make it clear and bold and brave and macho:

STRAIGHT PEOPLE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM INSULTING GAYS ON THIS FORUM, WHICH INCLUDES JOKES. Thank you.

PeaceBLondie, what are you talking about? What insults?? I did not tell any gay jokes, mearly asking about opinions on it, and voicing mine. Why always so quick to jump on the defensive. I was not aware that there was a gay joke forum, nor was I aware that it caused any problems. But judging from the response I am getting just TALKING about humor and gays, I can see now that a lot of people would freak out if they heard any gay jokes. If I did have a close friend that was gay, I would not hold back on the gay jokes, just like I do not hold back on any other jokes with my friends. Cause thats what it is, a joke, and as a friend I would know the limits of what is appropriate.

But jokes to make straight people uncomfortable are alright? Sure, ok, I see what you are about now. You are only confirming what I had previously thought, when I was hoping for some different perspective on the topics I mentioned.

Hey Zeke,

If you read the top of PB's post, he said he refrains from telling jokes about Blacks, Jews, etc...

You say if you had a gay friend you would tell him a gay joke....That would be between you and your gay friend....in private..no problem

However, publicly in front of gays you are not close friends with I doubt you would tell gay jokes. The same way I would also hope you would not start telling black jokes or Jew jokes, or fat jokes...this type of common courtesy seems like a no brainer to me, unless you are out to purposely offend people, which by your posts I think not.

Are you offended by overtly "gay" people?...There are plenty of people who don't hide the fact that they are gay. If your girfriend's gay friends are rude to you, you should try talking to them, and ask what's up with that? maybe they are perceiving to get a smilar vibe from you??? There are also lots of overtly "straight" people. I think everyone can live together peacefully without intentionally trying to hurt each other.

Sure, I understand, it is a fine line between being funny, and being rude. I also refrain from telling jokes about the different sexes, races, religions etc etc in front of groups, however, I do like to have fun and joke around with my freinds, and would so even if they were gay. I guess the issue that lies at the bottom of this topic is why are gays so easy to go on the defense? I mean, not all gays had a hard time coming out to their frineds and family. My half brother came out 2 years ago that he felt like a women inside, and wanted to pursure a sex change. I do not know him very well, but I do know his family was entirely supportave of his decision. And the fact that Thailand is so....."gay friendly" must make life a lot less stressfull for those that choose to live here. So why are most like coiled springs, ready to explode when ever some makes a remake about gays? It almost seems like most gays are looking for a confontation, just my opinion.

In the few questions and opinions that I posted, I can really sense the hostility that gays have twords straight people. And the fact that so many gays enforce the imaginary group of us/them, like there is two sides fighting a war or something. This scares me the most, as we are all human, and like you said, why cant we live together with out trying to hurt each other? Sexual preferance DOES NOT DEFINE WHO YOU ARE. Its is a part of you, but there are so many other parts to people why is it that it gets boiled down to something as rudamentary as what sex you prefer. Who cares if you like men, or women, or both. Why all the emphases on what sex you prefer. Gay and proud? Well, I have never heard a straight person say straight and proud, cause it really is not that big a deal. But a lot of gays seem to want to make it a big deal, if you know what I mean.

I am not offended by overtly gay people, but I do notice the "gayness", and just wonder why??? Why do they have to "act" gay. I have not met many people that "act" straight, just people that are uncomfortable with the issue and do not know how to "be normal" when dealing with it. But now a days, those people are getting fewer and fewer, especially in CM.

If I am rude to one of my girlfriends freinds, it is NOT because of their sexuality. And it was NOT because I was rude, I did not even have a chance to say anything before this guy was throwing sublty insults at me. The same aggressive ego allowed to say anything because I am gay attiude that I mentioned ealier. But I did mention that I know two gay Thai men that are VERY polite and kind, but, they have been the minority I have found.

PeaceBlondie said he refrains from telling gay jokes, but yet allows a joke that might make a straight man feel uncomfortable to remain on the forum. Yet if I was to post something similar it would be removed and I would be labeled a homophobe. Double standards on how gays view themselves and treat others. Just because someone is gay, does not give them to right to be inconsiderate to someone that is not gay.

You seem switched on, and you are right, I do not want to offend anyone, but some times gays take offence WAY to quick.

Cheers man

Long ago, I learned that I told inappropriate jokes about Blacks, lesbians, Jews, goat herders, and so forth. Because those jokes offended them, I stopped telling them, even to Whites, straight women, Gentiles, etc.

Most straight folks have figured out that they have not figured out gay humor. They don't even tell gay jokes with their best friends. I closed the gay jokes thread here with agreement from endure (co-moderator) and after several requests from our gay members, because the straight people's jokes kept offending us (and causing deleted posts). Let me make it clear and bold and brave and macho:

STRAIGHT PEOPLE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM INSULTING GAYS ON THIS FORUM, WHICH INCLUDES JOKES. Thank you.

PeaceBLondie, what are you talking about? What insults?? I did not tell any gay jokes, mearly asking about opinions on it, and voicing mine. Why always so quick to jump on the defensive. I was not aware that there was a gay joke forum, nor was I aware that it caused any problems. But judging from the response I am getting just TALKING about humor and gays, I can see now that a lot of people would freak out if they heard any gay jokes. If I did have a close friend that was gay, I would not hold back on the gay jokes, just like I do not hold back on any other jokes with my friends. Cause thats what it is, a joke, and as a friend I would know the limits of what is appropriate.

But jokes to make straight people uncomfortable are alright? Sure, ok, I see what you are about now. You are only confirming what I had previously thought, when I was hoping for some different perspective on the topics I mentioned.

Zeak, gay jokes are not really funny to most gay people when told in "mixed" company, any more than racist jokes are accepted by minorities as simply a joke. Amongst gay people who have earned their freedom through the various traumas of coming out, experiencing discrimination, often rejection by family and frequently threats and acts of violence, gay jokes are NOT funny unless recounted by another gay person in an all-gay social group. Even then, there is an edge of discomfort for some listeners, eased somewhat by the non-threatening environment of "we are all in this together". Most straight white males in western societies can never understand what gay people have experienced and continue to experience on a daily basis; this is not their fault of course, but at least an aware straight man (or woman) can refrain from offending gay people by saying "get over it, it's just a joke". It's not.

I understand what you are trying to say, but there are always funny jokes, rude jokes, and jokes that....are just not funny. But it seems ANY mention of being gay with humor added to it gets one burned at the stake for being a homophobe, which, just is not always the case. So why can only gays tell gay jokes to other gays? Because, to me that sounds like discrimination. What about gays cracking jokes that may make some straight people uncomfortable? See Paagals post for an example. This type of behavior is widely accepted as being alright, but NOT the other way around. Its double standards, and I do not agree with it.

Yes, I understand that there is trauma with some when they come out to friends and family, but good humor is not meant to hurt, its meat to make people laugh, and if you can not laugh at yourself, then who can you laugh at. Not everyone is out to offend gay people with their remarks. It just seems to me that most gays take offense to what ever is said about them, its like they are expecting it. You last sentence that you wrote is serious, and once again, I feel like you have taken offense to the question I asked, when not harm was intended.

Cheers

Gosh ZEAK, if you would spend 40 years of your life trying hard not to be a softie, you might enter middle age without being a flaming freakshow. You act straight because the world taught you to act that way, even if you're really more gay than I am. Several things bother me, including gays who act way over the top, straight men who waste their whole life trying to prove they obviously are not gay, Thai food, and Thai language. Maybe you can get your tongue around those things better than I do.

Zeak, I have been paying lots of attention to gay Thai men for the last five years, but maybe you spend more time noticing them. I find them more self-confident than arrogant, about their sexuality. I suggest you stop noticing them so much unless you wish to have sex with them.

As for the occasional Thai sometimes being a little rude, we have yet another Prime Minister who seems to be excessively rude, and he claims to be faithful to his wife, and he cooks great Thai food with really strong prik.

That is exactly what I am asking, if they were acting straight, then why do they have to "act" gay? Why can they just not be gay with out having the urge for everyone around them to know they are gay? This is what I am asking. You said it yourself, gays that "act over the top". This, I dont understand. And PB, just because I notice someone does not mean I want to have sex with them, and many many times its impossible NOT to notice them, when, they are "acting over the top". Please, tell me, how would one choose not to hear a dog that is barking loudly, its impossible to do what you suggested. If I noticed someone its because they are doing something that attracted my attention. I do not go around analyzing people for gay tendencies.

Its not just the occasional Thai being a little rude. I have met gay men in the west that seemed to have this same "gay ego". Like, they can do and say things that most people would not, just because they are gay. See Paagal's post to get a better understanding of what I mean.

Cheers PB

Sorry to go on a rant, but I have another question and an observation. People talk about homophobes being rude to gays and what not, but what about gays being rude to strait people? Does it exist? I think it does, and have experienced it myself. Now, not entirely sure if the attitude was there because I am straight, or just because the guy is a jerk. But over the years in Thailand, from meeting all the gay men that were friends with my Thai girlfriends, past and present, I have noticed a certain trait that prevails among the gay Thai men. That being that they have an attitude that is very......arrogant. I do not know if it stems from self esteem issues or what, but I have experienced it first hand. Its a weird type of ego that is border line aggressive in the way that they express themselves. Once again, this is just the gays that I have met, and sorry to throw this in, but it has left a bitter taste in my mouth regarding gays.

But I do know 2 gay Thai men that are very kind and and softspoken, but they seem to be the minority.

Oh yeah, why cant gays tolerate ANY jokes about them? They see any gay jibe as a direct attack and go all out on the defense. Once again, just my first hand experience so far.

Cheers

Some one mentioned that when they go into a restaurant down south with their boyfriend, that they get "dirty looks" from the people there, because they are gay. Well, I have a question. How is it that they know you are gay? I mean, if you are not showing any physical affection, how do they know you are gay?

That leads me to my second question, which is WHY gays (mostly men), exhibit certain stereotypical "gay tendencies"? Is this what you use to let other gays know you sexuality? To let straits know your sexuality? Its just that I am strait, but I have no "urge" to project an image of straitness to the public. If I am out with a buddy having drinks, or a meal, I do not try to act straight, if you know what I mean. I am not suggesting that gay men are acting gay, just wondering why they often make it obvious to the public that they are gay, by way of body language and speech.

Having said that, I am certain that there are many many gay individuals out there that portray themselves as any other man, just that they prefer the opposite sex. But the gays that I know and have contact with, have these things about them that send signals to the rest of the world that they are gay. Nice people, dont get me wrong. Just trying to understand WHY the tendency is there and what purpose it serves?

Cheers

Like some mentioned, you are not going to get much of a deal with them if you book last minute. Most people that fly with them know this. And even though I am a young strong oak, I can still not carry as much as I could put into a checked bag, and I think they know this, so yeah, the weight restriction does work.

I was questioning the logic of shifting the excess weight from checked baggage onto hand luggage (which was not weighed or measured). The total weight the plane carries is the same, therefore the same amount of fuel is burnt.

It is unfair to compare the pricing policies of two different companies, but on the day I flew the 'most-restricted' ticket on Thai was actually cheaper.

Yes, if every time a repair is needed on an aircraft, and they choose to delay the flight instead of flying with it, it tells me that they take safety very seriously. For you to make such a broad assumption about the standard of their routine maintenance without having first hand knowledge is well, silly? I heard that Thai airways just blew a tire out while landing in Cambodia, my gawd! They must never do any maintenance on their planes! So am I going to stop flying Thai? No. Planes break down, planes need up keep, thats a fact.

Again, not really my point. I don't think anybody has suggested that a plane should be allowed to fly if it has failed a safety inspection. My (general) point was that if one airline suffers more delays than others due to safety checks being failed before flight (and that was not my claim) then logic dictates it may be something to do with their maintenance or age of the fleet (although from what I see the age of the Air Asia fleet is quite good).

For four years I worked on and off as a contractor in the maintenance sheds of an airline based at LHR. Maintenance standards, unfortunately, do vary and some of the engineers I worked with would not fly on certain (overseas based) airlines. I have no personal knowledge of the maintenance standards of Air Asia, and if I thought they were below standard then I would not fly with them. However, there have been concerns widely reported in the industry that the phenomenal growth in (particularly Asian-based) low-cost carriers, has seen standards of maintenance squeezed by financial pressures.

And dude, its a bottle of water, not going to break the bank now is it? Human right? I would LOVE to see that argument live on a flight. You protesting against one of the sweet hostesses that you are not going to pay for the water as its your "human right" to have it. Would provide GREAT entertainment, but I would imagine that in the end, some stranger would just buy the bottle of water so that the loud complaining farung would shut their pie hole, as this type of attitude grows old very quickly here.

I have never witnessed nor been involved in any argument over water on an aircraft. Oh, I see, the alleged incident has been imagined by you.

Again, my point was that when passengers (especially those, for example, with small children) are stuck on the tarmac on a hot plane, it would be decent to make water available. I am not expecting food or soft/alcoholic drinks, just some water. I also think that charging for water, whatever the circumstances, is pretty mean, as it is "not going to break the bank" is it?

Many thanks.

I think, that the weight restriction does work, as even though we shift some of the heaver items to the carry on, the passenger is still restricted to how much he can carry. And just the fact that people who fly with AirAsia know that there is a weight restriction, they prepare for it by either traveling light, of forwarding on their excess baggage. I think that out of two planes, one with a 15kg weight restriction, and the other with a 30kg restriction, the first WILL be lighter even if people fill up their back packs, because who is to say that the people on the second plane also do not fill up their carry ons? A lighter plane will go farther and faster on less fuel, once again, keeping the operating costs down. To me this logic makes sense, not sure of its validity though.

Thai has been offering more and more "special" fares, where a trip to CM was the same price of AirAsia. I guess they have to if they want to try to capture some of AirAsia's customers. But the deals usually only last for a week or two. Of course, I will always fly with Thai, if given the choice between the two when they are priced the same.

Dude, your paragraph about what you claim and do not claim regarding maintence of aircraft is one of the most confusing bits of writing I have read in a long time. The last was a letter about some tax descrepency from my federal govenment, your little bit almost tops it. So...you do think there is a problem with the maintence of their planes? Oh wait, you say that is not your claim. What? But you like the age of the fleet? What? Are you sure you did not also work as a laywer, cause me thinks you got what it takes. What?

I agree that some of the standards are different, depending on the airline. I also know that a certain other low cost carrier has sub standard mainance and I choose not to fly with them the because of it. When you hear first hand accounts of staff that are afraid to fly because of the quality of repairs made, its real. AirAsia does a very good job to ensure that a certain level of quality is maintained regarding their repairs. Like I said ealier, I would rather be late and alive then on time and dead. People moaning about delayed flights to not think about the implications if that delay was not to occur.

So.....how long IS is meant to take to change a tire/tyre?

Yes, I did imagine some farung causing a scene cause they did not want to cough up the few baht for a bottle of water. It was just SO easy to conjour up when you mentioned it is you "human right". I hope you understand. I do not see the difference between passengers with small children, and all the rest. Thirst is thirst, no? Are small kids somehow MORE thirsty than adults? "Stuck on a tarmac in a hot plane" Hmmm. Nope, its been rejected. The last flight I was on with AA was in the new Airbus. We were stuck on a HOT TARMAC in A COLD PLANE. That I can say is true. There air con was so good, even with all the vents closed. It was a VERY pleasant flight. And water IS available. Just ask the pretty lady, "Pom kor nahm plao krub", and she will give you a bottle, then you give her the few baht that it is. What do you mean not availabe? Oh, you mean free? Well, in the toilets the taps were spewing water! Once again, they charge for water because they are a no frills airline. I do not know why this is so difficult for some to understand. Its all part of their business plane and enables them to offer cheaper flights. I once read an article about how much one airline saved by giving only 2 grapes instead of 3 in the salads that they served, I forget the exact amount, but I do remember it was a hel_l of a lot.

Hey, maybe you could use some of your fancy wording and......write them a letter! I am sure they would be thrilled to hear your view on how their airline should be run. Make sure to include the part about "human rights" and all.

Or, just choose to fly an airline that offers water, if that is your largest factor in determining who to fly with.

Cheers

Total speculation that they cancel flights because of not enough passengers. AirAsia is not the number one fastest growing airline because of a lack of flyers. I know FIRST HAND that their flights are almost always full, rarely falling below the 75% occupancy rate. Unlike Thai, where I have had many a flights with 4 seats at the back all to myself. To me it would make more sense for Thai to cancel a flight due to not enough passengers as they are the ones with the huge operating costs, NOT AirAsia.

I'm curious, what does the back of a plane look like? I always sit at the front, and those nice curtains block the view

If you always sit at the front, then why is a low cost airline any concern to you at all? Hmmm. And just for your info, statistically speaking, if a plane crashes, the most survivors are in the tail section.

Enjoy your champaign!

Yes, if every time a repair is needed on an aircraft, and they choose to delay the flight instead of flying with it, it tells me that they take safety very seriously. For you to make such a broad assumption about the standard of their routine maintenance without having first hand knowledge is well, silly? I heard that Thai airways just blew a tire out while landing in Cambodia, my gawd! They must never do any maintenance on their planes! So am I going to stop flying Thai? No. Planes break down, planes need up keep, thats a fact.

And if every time a repair is needed on an aircraft, and they choose to cancel the flight instead of flying with it, it tells me that they take profit very seriously . The budget airline translation for "cancelled for technical reasons" is "we haven't got enough passengers to make money out of this flight so we'll save the fuel and put them on the next one (or the bus, or whatever....). Cynical, but often true.

Watched Thai changing a wheel during a 45 minute turnaround at DMK yesterday, flight still arrived early in CNX. Thai at least has the infrastructure to make routine repairs happen without delays!

Total speculation that they cancel flights because of not enough passengers. AirAsia is not the number one fastest growing airline because of a lack of flyers. I know FIRST HAND that their flights are almost always full, rarely falling below the 75% occupancy rate. Unlike Thai, where I have had many a flights with 4 seats at the back all to myself. To me it would make more sense for Thai to cancel a flight due to not enough passengers as they are the ones with the huge operating costs, NOT AirAsia.

Did you time them changing the wheel? How do you know that they were exceptionally speedy at it? Do you know how long it is meant to take to change a wheel? Just because you you landed early does not mean that Thai has better/faster airplane mechanics working on their planes. Maybe the head winds were with you on your flight to CM? That is usually the reason of arriving early.

And speed does NOT equal better, and I would feel better if I knew the the mechanics were not rushing to get the plane fixed, if you know what I mean.

For me, AirAsia is suffice for most of my travels, unless I know I will have a lot/heavy luggage, then I will fly Thai. All in all, I would rather save the thousands of baht and spend it on a nice meal with the misses!

Not a buffet with impressive decor...but good food at a good price:

Try Buffet House on Huay Keaw, about 100 meters west of the end of the Super Highway, and just after Ricome Market. 120 baht for dinner, 90 baht for lunch

that place is gross. actually it's okay if you stick to the salads and quasi-japanese, but the entrees and pastas and such are without merit. my humble (and gastrointestinal) opinion.

Based on the OP's request for something special, I wouldn't send them to Buffet House. But the food there is usually pretty good, including a nice selection of sushi. I've been there about a dozen times and never had a problem. imho, it's much better than the Grandview. As a suggestion for the OP, I recommend the buffet at the Amari Rincome Hotel.

Was just at the Amari today with a friend. It was his first time there and he really enjoyed it, 3 heaping plates and 3 servings of desert and a cup of java and he was satisfied. And the chocolate fountain was there again! That was at 11:30 and I am still stuffed! If you have never been, its well worth a try.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the Amari Rincome or their associates in any manner. Jing Jing. I just like good food.