Issanjohn

39 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

My perspective, is that the 800K or 65K/mo is far above what is actually needed to live here, so it's not really based on actual costs. 

 

The "family" amount (while still unethical to divide families over such things) more closely approximates what a family of 2 to 4 would actually require to live here, well above a median Thai-income standard of living, in most areas of the country.  The Thai min-wage is 300 Baht/day (last I checked), and with a 6-day work-week - so 2 parents working =~15.5K / mo - far less than 40K / mo.

 

It is unfortunate there is not an inexpensive "stabilize and send-home" insurance scheme required with all permitted-stays - both to help expats in dire situations, and to prevent any cost to Thais for our care. 

 

In very rare cases, such as your friend, that would have covered his care and possible medical evacuation.  More frequently, with older folks, would be cancer and heart-disease.  With younger people, the more frequent issue would be acute injuries (moto-accidents and such).  These would rarely require any long-term treatment in Thailand, before repatriation via ordinary air-ticket home.

I’m so sorry to hear about your friend I’ve learned to avoid the government hospitals here some of them are horrible but the private hospitals are actually pretty good.  

38 minutes ago, cleverman said:

Wouldn't mention what embassy tells you. I did on here and all I got for my trouble was childish name calling and denial of the facts. I have since spoken to a chief immigration officer but won't be reporting on it on here , wil only be abused again. And best of luck in your quest to find out what income to declare, I think you have got three different answers so far. Ring immigration voluntees ,you can google for their nr. 

That’s exactly what I got a month or two ago was childish name calling and denial of facts when I posted the guidance from the embassy which was given to the embassy by Thai Immigration Bureau Officials.  I did the same thing I also spoke to my local immigration office supervisors as well 3 different times and I did receive confirmation from them.  I really don’t want to advertise where I live on here though because of some of the weird people that post on here.  But I’m lucky because my extension fell on a date of perfect timing regardless of what happens later next year.  So I also have plenty of time to be prepared for next year’s extension as well.  What I replied to the OP might be helpful depending on your situation.  

On 11/19/2018 at 2:54 AM, Spidey said:

They don't have to do anything. This is what we hope they will do. Somehow I doubt it.

Well I got my next one year extension done today over two full months early so as the US Embassy said they sure are supporting early renewals for US citizens at least I don’t know about everyone else.  And of course immigration did accept my income affidavit as they said they would.  Then when we were finished I asked immigration what I’d need to prove my income when I do my next visa extension in January 2020 and immigration told me that next time I’ll just need to bring in my bank statements showing that I make at least the minimum monthly income requirement of 40,000 baht a month coming from my home country and I make more than double that per month so case closed all good ????.  

This is why it pays to stick to the facts!  So nope you don’t necessarily have to have 400,000 or 800,000 baht in the bank as long as you do receive at least the minimum monthly income requirement.  So they are still following the law as I knew they would at least my immigration office is anyway.  Although I was very surprised that I got them to do my extension so early because it was not gonna expire till February 6th 2019!!!  Now I’m good till February 6th 2020!  So we’re celebrating that right now. The United States Embassy was right they are supporting early renewals during the transition period!!! ???? 

So don’t let anyone tell you that the monthly income requirement is gone it most certainly is here to stay.  I confirmed that again today when I picked up my passport with my new extension stamp in it done over two months early this year.  So early renewals really are actually a thing they are supporting.  

On 11/15/2018 at 12:39 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There's a pretty good print/photocopy shop on Suk Road just a few blocks from the Phom Phrong BTS station and the nearby Villa Market at Soi 33, heading inward toward Asoke, on the odd numbered sois side of the road.

 

They definitely have color printing capability there from thumb drives and such. I just don't know if they'll allow you to do it yourself from one of their PCs, or they'll do the printing with you telling them what/how you want it.

 

You can see a phone number for them on their front door in the photo below. They have pretty much a full setup there -- can do photos for passports, etc. That's where I've done my passport photocopies for Immigration thru the years. Though color printing prices in general tend to be a bit pricey.

 

By the way this place turned out to be an awesome print shop very good service.  I had a lot of stuff printed in color and it wasn’t even all that pricey at all.  They helped me prepare everything I needed for immigration for my extension and everything worked out great.  Very productive day.  

On 11/15/2018 at 12:53 PM, Issanjohn said:

Actually I literally just got off the phone with this shop Asia Copy center they’re about 5 or 6K from the United States Embassy and they’re perfect for what I need to print and I’ll probably most certainly go there when I’m in Bangkok after I’m done at the embassy.  So I have the information I need I actually found it myself but thanks anyway to everyone who replied so fast.  This shop here sounds perfect I just spoke with them 2 minutes ago right before reading this.  

By the way this place turned out to be an awesome print shop very good service.  I had a lot of stuff printed in color and it wasn’t even all that pricey at all.  They helped me prepare everything I needed for immigration for my extension and everything worked out great.  Very productive day.  

20 minutes ago, loong said:

What new rules?

Are you referring to the Embassy letters concerning income?

That won't be an issue until next year, so why would anybody leave now?

I know of a few people that have the income, but not the 400,000/800,000 in the bank. They have always renewed their extensions legitimately, but will be paying under the table in future. All this will do is boost the immigration's tea money. 

Exactly what new rules?  And actually the monthly income hasn’t gone anywhere the law hasn’t changed.  Like we both said what new rules.  And even if they were going to change that law I haven’t actually seen it yet in my magic crystal ball lol.  

If they did change that law I’d either have to move my savings over here or just simply leave for two days and get a new visa.  But as of now the law is still the same.  And yes you’re exactly right the income affidavits will not be an issue until mid to late next year.  Nothing is changing at all not the monthly income requirements nothing.  If they are going to change the law regarding monthly income my psychic still hasn’t been able to see it yet in the future lol ????.  I swear I’m done reading rumors from now on stick to the facts guys seriously ????????.  

I haven’t really read anything on here except avoid Poi Pet.  I try not to read a lot of this stuff anymore because sometimes there’s just a lot garbage that people post and I’m not getting lured into anymore arguments online from behind a keyboard.  

Anyway I can say this during my first year here Poi Pet used to be a great place to do a border crossing on a multiple entry marriage visa which I used to do my first year here until I started getting my extensions every year.  So I don’t do the border crossings anymore because I don’t have to as long as I just keep getting my extensions as I will.  Of course if you ever get a new marriage visa it’s border crossings again every 3 months.  Personally I prefer my extensions because reporting every 3 months is so much easier than border crossings every 3 months.  Although I didn’t mind the border crossings they were kind of fun actually at the time.  

When I used to do my border crossings at Poi Pet that used to be a great spot.  I remember coming back into Thailand I’d be standing in line behind every European backpacker in Thailand lol.  

What happened was back in sometime late 2015 remember the Bangkok bomber?  Well he illegally crossed into Thailand via Poi Pet by apparently bribing his way in on an obviously fake Turkish passport.  And the moron even tried to escape by going back across the same border crossing, Poi Pet again and got caught on the border.  WHAT AN IDIOT THE BOMBER WAS!  Never plan your exfil or escape plan the same way you came in unless you’re flying.  

Anyway ever since the stupid Bangkok bomber crossed there and got caught there trying to cross back into Cambodia on the Poi Pet border crossing immigration just drastically started cracking down on Poi Pet and apparently some of the IOs were either fired or transferred and they totally changed the Poi Pet border crossing and ever since then Poi Pet just HAS NOT been a good place to cross the border anymore even for people on long stay visas.  It used to be a great place until the unfortunate Bangkok bombing because the bomber illegally crossed via Poi Pet and also got caught trying to escape via Poi Pet.  That really ruined it for everyone ever since then Poi Pet has changed drastically from what I’ve heard.  

So the Poi Pet situation is not because they don’t like tourists it’s not even a good place to cross anymore if you’re on a long stay visa as it used to be, the problem in Poi Pet is because that was where the infamous Bangkok bomber illegally crossed the border into Thailand and then was caught trying to escape across the same border Poi Pet again.  There was apparently also a dispute over which side of the border he was caught on the Thailand side or the Cambodian side of the border.  

Anyway that’s why Poi Pet is the way it is today I specifically remember that because that was before I got my first extension and I personally used to cross the Poi Pet border crossing all the time every 90 days during my first year here.  I’m sure many others can attest to that.  So yes you’re right unless you’re planning to go to Cambodia for a little while as in at least a few days avoid the Poi Pet border crossing if you are planning on coming back into Thailand the same day.  It used to be a great place but unfortunately not anymore.  If I ever had to get a new visa and do border crossings ever again I definitely would avoid Poi Pet.  Ever since the crack down after the Bangkok bomber Poi Pet totally changed.  

9 hours ago, CharlieH said:

A number of OFF TOPIC irrelevant posts removed.

 

Once again, if you dont state your specific I.O. then anything you state is irrelevant to this topic and will be removed.

You don’t want to divulge your personal information such as the city you live in but I understand that you said that you spoke with an IO and want to compare.  Do you want to tell us what IO at which immigration office you spoke with in your city that you live in?  I wouldn’t want to, like I said I don’t want to divulge what city I live in unless I know you a lot better.  

As someone else (reliable) previously stated this is what Thai law says, For a MARRIAGE VISA “EXTENSION” “one way is 400k baht in a Thai bank.  The other way is 40k baht monthly income according to the police order number: 327/2557.  

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“The (6) In the case of marriage to a Thai woman, the alien husband must earn an average annual income of no less than 40,000 baht per month or must have no less than 400,000 baht in a bank account in Thailand for at least the past two months to cover expenses for one year.”

So basically when you transfer the money in every month you can spend it as soon as it comes into the country.  They just want to verify that we receive the minimum monthly income requirement every month via Thai bank statement.  Obviously immigration will start enforcing this strictly after the income affidavits totally go away mid next year.  Obviously everyone’s income situation is different and apparently a few people on here don’t like the monthly income option even though probably most of us use the monthly income option such as those of us receiving monthly pension payments, people who receive Social Security, and people like me, am retired military and a disabled so I make more than double the minimum monthly income requirement.  That’s the law period like it or not.  

This is why I don’t like reading most of these posts because I prefer to use actual known facts.  No offense to the OP but that’s just here say information and an IO’s opinion, when I’m at my local immigration office I politely ask more questions  which is what you should have probably done, and when I do I get verification in writing and I always get the truth.  So far things are going great.  I think the end of the income affidavits might actually turn out to be a good thing it’ll save us a trip to the embassy and save us $50 dollars a year and from now on just use your Thai bank statement.  Bangkok Bank I hear has the most immigration friendly bank statements.  

18 hours ago, elviajero said:

No. The earliest you can renew an extension is 45 (30 at some offices) days.

Yeah mine says 30 to 45 days early which is fine with me.  

19 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

That would not be possible without leaving the country and entering without a re-entry permit and starting all over again.

I just left the embassy for my last income affidavit and they’re telling people exactly what I thought would happen.  They’re saying that the embassy will not have a replacement plan for the income affidavit ever.  They’re were telling people at the embassy that you’ll probably have to show monthly income going into a Thai bank account or the lump sum option after the income affidavits totally stop being accepted in mid next year.  I honestly can’t seem to find out anything about the early extension renewals but my local immigration office told me that I can renew mine which expires on February 6th 30 to 45 days early which I believe is standard immigration policy if I’m not mistaken.  My local immigration office said my income affidavit will be accepted this one last time and next time I’ll probably have to show at least some of my monthly income going to a Thai bank account from the states so I’ll do monthly transfers of at least the minimum monthly income requirement next year every month no problem.  The embassy told someone today that they will no longer certify any income affidavits, bank statements, or anything regarding our income after January 1st.  But at least that saves me a trip to Bangkok and the $50 dollar fee.  I’m probably gonna open the Thai bank account next month or in early January after payday and then begin transferring money into it every month.  So it’s really looking like that will probably be the requirement for income verification probably by May or June next year at the latest.  So not as bad as I thought it would be when all the talk started back in October.  I’m just out taking care of business today.  

12 hours ago, Moonlover said:

From Immigration's point of view, a good argument in favour of monthly income evidence goes like this.

 

It is possible to borrow 800/400k for 2 or 3 months, (think agencies) but it's very difficult to borrow a continuous stream of 65/40k every month.

Borrow LoL ???? My monthly income is more than double both amounts per month thanks to my monthly pension payments I don’t borrow anything lol ????.  I don’t remember if you’re the same person I spoke to earlier who was deliberately putting out misinformation I’m sorry if you’re not that same person but still you ought to do a bit more research.  

I fall within Thai immigration laws for my extension. If you don’t fall with Thai immigration laws then you might want to leave the country and get a whole new visa  based on your own personal situation not based on everyone else’s situation, or maybe you should be rethinking whether or not you should even be living here.  

I’m not sure what you’re getting at as far as “borrowing money”.  If you’re having to borrow money from people to qualify for your extension then I recommend that you seek financial counseling and maybe you should consider just going home.  I don’t have to borrow from anyone for my extensions I’m retired.  Honestly I don’t have any idea what you’re talking about here no offense.  You sound like that same guy from yesterday but I don’t recall.  I don’t think I’ll be reading or replying to you anymore I prefer to chat with more intelligent people no offense maybe I’m missing something here I don’t know.  You’re post is just confusing but if you’re saying what it looks like you probably need to rethink your situation.  If you’re living here you shouldn’t have to be “borrowing” money for your extensions seriously.  

7 hours ago, american said:

Thank you for your kind reply. Our plans of action seem very similiar. I plan to use my American debit card at my Thai bank and receive a "cash advance" monthly of a minimum of 65,000 baht. The paper printout I receive from the bank shows the cash was drawn out of my American bank along with the last 3's of my American debit card and the date is also printed. I will deposit that EXACT same amount of converted cash into my Thai bank. I'll meet the monthly minimum 65,000 and my 12 month total will meet Thai requirements. My bank book and paper "cash advances"printout will meet the Thai rules. sometimes the ink fades on the "cash advnce"paper printouts and becomes illegible, so I plan to photo each paper slip for backup. I think, so far, Based on current rules, I'm covered. And you seem to have thought this through also. 

 all retirees need to try and plan ahead and try to stay abreast of the coming rules. with income affdavids disappearing, Thai rules will also.  for a while, it's going to probably be a bumpy ride, more for some than others. Good luck to uss all.

  Again. thank for your compliments on my posting. it' alsways nice to be appreciated.

 

American

Yes I definitely think we’ll both be covered by this plan, and yes I’ve really thought it through as well as you seemed to have and I’ve found as much official guidance on the issue as possible through the embassy and my local immigration office.  According to both the embassy and my local immigration office this is a smart plan.  

I also read what you said about making the transfer with your debit card at the Thai bank.  You said “I plan to use my American debit card at my Thai bank and receive a "cash advance" monthly of a minimum of 65,000 baht. The paper printout I receive from the bank shows the cash was drawn out of my American bank along with the last 3's of my American debit card and the date is also printed. I will deposit that EXACT same amount of converted cash into my Thai bank.”

I currently plan on manually calling my bank in the states every month and having them manually transfer half my monthly pension payments or at least the minimum monthly income requirement to my Thai bank, and I was thinking that I had to do it that way so it shows up on the Thai bank statements as coming from my US bank to my Thai bank account.  But if what you said about using the American debit card to transfer the funds at the Thai bank every month actually works and leaves the proper paper trail that I need for immigration then I just might do mine like that as well because that way I wouldn’t have to pay the monthly international bank transfer fee of I believe $20 dollars a month for international transfers.  So that might be a really good method as well I’ll see if it works better than calling the bank every month to transfer the funds.  

Although don't withdraw 65K cash from your American debit card and just manually transfer it or immigration might think that you’re working here if they see manual cash deposits every month.  Either call the American bank and have them transfer the funds or do like you said and use your American debit card at the Thai bank and advance the funds into the account in fact now I might do the same thing but I’m gonna see which way works better first.  As long as we have a paper trail showing at least the minimum monthly income requirement coming from the United States or anyone else’s home country going into a Thai bank account actually on a Thai bank statement to show immigration after the income affidavits eventually go away completely then we should be covered for income verification according to my local immigration office and apparently according to yours as well so I think that’s probably the answer.  

In the meantime our income affidavits will still be accepted for six months after the date of completion according to my local immigration office and apparently according to yours as well.  Anyway I totally agree that this sounds like a very rational plan for after the end of the income affidavits in mid next year.  I did definitely appreciate your idea because it’s exactly the same thing that I’m planning and have been saying.  Good luck.  

I don’t know if this is 100% accurate but I read online that if he can hide out for something like 10 more years I believe the article said then the statute of limitations will expire and he’ll literally get away with the whole thing and will be able to return to Thailand a freeman and inherit all his billions.  It was a while ago I read that article so I could be wrong but if I remember right that’s what the news article actually said.  I believe it said that his last known location was Singapore but I could be wrong that’s just something I read in the news so that’s not necessarily a fact.  If that is true that’s ridiculous anyone else would have never seen the light of day ever again except for maybe in the prison yard or something. I wonder how much influence his family has inserted into the situation as far as bribes and financial assistance to the fugitive.  I’m sure they have probably helped him of course I am just making an assumption here they might not be helping him at all because I’m sure he’s probably got his own on the run fund but if the family is inserting their influence I’m sure it’s very quietly and discreetly.  

18 hours ago, american said:

I "think/guess" immigration is trying to enforce a steady monthly income, which most people need. They don't want to see months of no deposits and then 1 sudden huge deposit. As in so many things, rules are created without always seeming to make sense or be reasonable.  I just passed on what I was told. i understand many will not like or agree with how the 65,000 baht will be calculated or resolved at Thai immigration. I'm not judging, just passing on what i was told at Thai immigration.TIT. it is up to us to follow their rules. of course, this and any other rules can change on a moments notice.

“immigration is trying to enforce a steady monthly income”. EXACTLY RIGHT!!  I actually like the monthly income requirements so I don’t have to transfer my entire savings over here.  I’ll just transfer half of my monthly pension payments into a Thai bank account or at least the minimum monthly income requirement.  My immigration office told me pretty much the same thing they told you especially the part you said about the income affidavits being valid for six months during this transition period.  You actually sound intelligent, you’re basically following the same plan that I am.  And I think it’s a good idea and I think it’s smart.  That’s what I’m going to do as well.  Definitely not a bad idea in fact that’s probably what we’re all going to have to do eventually.  Anyway I really gotta sign off and go somewhere.  I’ve been reading a lot of these posts over the past few days because I’ve been laid up with the flu and it’s nice to actually read an intelligent post.  

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Yes UJ we are discussing TransferWise, but just a slight aside, when my pension payments are credited to Krungsri, there is nothing to differentiate then from domestic deposit either. It's the same TN code as T/W. Go figure.

It’s really simple Thai bank account bank statements will verify the transfers no problem when the income affidavits eventually go away as long as you actually receive the income you should be fine.  Maybe you should use Bangkok Bank that’s not a problem with them.  

16 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

All my transfers into the country have the FTT (foreign telex transfer) code in my bank book and on internet banking they are shown as "international transfer".

Or are you referring to transferwise transfers?

I spoke with my bank in the states and that sounds like how I’m going to be doing mine for a small international transfer fee. My bank just calls them “international account transfers”.  As long as it gets done every month that’s all I want.  

From the OP: “From now on i will be sure to always deposit at least 65,000 baht monthly into my bank account.”

I'm on a marriage visa extension however my local immigration office has told me the exact same thing.  I’m gonna start doing exactly what you’re gonna do that’s a great plan!  My extension expires in February so I’ll renew it in either late December 45 days early or early January 30 days early using my income affidavit this one last time.  My local immigration office told me Friday that when I come back for my extension in probably January to make sure that I bring my income affidavit and they did confirm that the income affidavit will be accepted in January and of course up to six months after the date of completion, my local immigration office was very reassuring about that and they actually told me that I will in fact need the income affidavit in January.  They said that’s internal immigration policy regarding the income affidavits being valid for up to six months after the date of completion for ALL immigration offices.  So basically I was told pretty much exactly the same thing you were by my local immigration office it sounds like anyway, although I skimmed through your post because I’m kind of in a hurry but it looks like exactly what I was told at my immigration office Friday.  So it sounds like most of the immigration offices are actually on the same page for the exception of MAYBE a few who probably just haven’t got the word yet or whatever but it sounds like they’re actually mostly on the same page this time. 

Then either next month on payday or in January on payday I’ll open a Thai bank account and start transferring probably half of my monthly pension payments into a Thai bank account or at the very minimum at least the minimum monthly income requirement EVERY MONTH FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR EVERY YEAR like you said.  That’s also been my plan as well but I’m on a marriage visa but my monthly pension payments are more than double the minimum monthly income requirement so I’m covered there.  Then when I do my visa extension in January 2020 I should be covered for next time. 

Your plan sounds great and that’s exactly what I’ve been planning on doing as well.  It’s good to see that there are some other intelligent people on this forum.  Now I really gotta stop reading these posts this one was actually intelligent but some of them are just really dumb.  There are a lot of really weird people on this forum but it’s good to see some intelligent posts like this one.  The man with the most factual knowledge on this forum is a guy under the screen name UbonJoe he’s the only person I take advice from on this forum because he goes by facts that I can verify.  Anyway I gotta go I’ve got a long road trip ahead of me and a busy few days and I’m trying to get over the flu.  I was laid up with the flu yesterday and I ended up reading a lot of these posts.  Normally I don’t even bother reading these anymore because there’s so much false misinformation being spread about what’s happening now and a lot of strange people on here but this OP actually made a good point and that’s exactly my plan as well.  

Every once in a while there are actually some intelligent people on here that go by facts instead of here say information as so many other people on here do.  I’ve also found that some people deliberately post false information on here just to try and get people spun up and just to spread fear and doom and gloom.  I really don’t understand why people do that, it’s probably the people who the income verification changes coming mid next year will actually negatively affect, the people who don’t have enough money to legally live here and are just jealous of the rest of us who do.  

Anyway I was happy to read an actual intelligent post from the OP, someone using the same plan I am.  I’m still gonna ignore a lot of the other posts in here though, except for one person in here who knows what he’s talking about UbonJoe.  

Also to the OP make sure the deposits into your Thai bank account are electronic transfers from your bank in the states to your Thai bank account because according to the embassy and other factual information I’ve received that’s probably what Thai immigration will want to see when they verify our income after the income affidavits totally go away in the middle of next year.  Just a tip, don’t just deposit cash or they might think you are working here, make sure that it shows on paper that the deposits are coming from the states.  That’s what I’m going to do next time after the income affidavits eventually go away.  I’m sure you probably already knew that.  As long as we fall within Thai immigration laws we should not have anything to worry about.  You sound like an intelligent guy.  

18 hours ago, american said:

I just posted this subject  and apologize for the following errors:

1. My spellcheck function is not working.

2. Before posting this, i tried to rewrite some parts. Tht has resulted in some strange formatting  of what I wrote.

3. This is my first ever posting. I will need to get used to all of the rules for postings. i will learn in time.

 

 

 AMERICAN

exactly!!!

4 hours ago, Spidey said:

They don't have to do anything. This is what we hope they will do. Somehow I doubt it.

Uh yeah okay, honestly I don’t care either way because I know that I can verify my income from my home country regardless of how immigration wants to verify it. I think some people on here just want attention and I’m done reading posts from people regarding visas, extensions, and immigration except from one guy who actually knows what he’s talking about based on actual facts.  Actually my local immigration office is awesome I was just there Friday.  Anyway if you want attention go join the circus or something LMAO ???? ????????.

1 hour ago, tropo said:

You haven't said which immigration office you use. This is important. At the end of the day, it's what your own particular office does that counts.

I’d prefer not to say what city I live in that’s personal information but don’t worry a very reliable source has also informed me that pretty much every other immigration office is on the same page doing it the same way, meaning that the income affidavits should still be accepted after January and for six months after the date of completion.  Although he did say that there maybe a few rouge immigration offices and a few IO’s out there putting out bad information.  I think those few rouge offices not on the same page as the rest of Thailand probably just haven’t got the word yet from immigration headquarters during this transition period but this last sentence is just my own personal opinion everything else above that is fact.  

So if your extension expires in February or even possibly as late as June theoretically your income affidavit should still be accepted.  After that we’ll see how immigration will want to verify our income late next year because no official guidance has been put out about that part of it yet, but I strongly suspect that during the summer of 2019 we’ll probably need to have our monthly income or your savings in a Thai bank account.  Even the US Embassy told me that when they eventually do stop accepting the income affidavits immigration will probably and I emphasize probably want to see my monthly income going into a Thai bank account.  So either next month or in January I will actually open a Thai bank account and start transferring maybe half of my monthly pension payments into a Thai bank account or at least the minimum monthly income requirement per month.  So in January 2020 long after income affidavits are gone when I do my extension again I should be covered because I think we all know where this is going and what immigration will eventually want to see as far as income verification probably Thai bank statements.  So might as well start preparing now.  In my situation in the meantime at least I know that they will accept my income affidavit this one last time, so I’m not as concerned about it as I was back in October.  I don’t mean you but I just wish people would stop spreading misinformation, false rumors, and I wish people would get the facts as I have as well as others have because that would end a lot of the mass hysteria about this.  As long as you fall within Thai immigration laws you should be fine I’m not worried about it anymore and trust me I don’t think it’s anything to worry about now that I know the real deal about the situation.  I really wouldn’t worry about it as long as you are within Thai immigration laws you should be fine.  

Anyway I really gotta sign off this website for tonight.  The only reason why I got so rapped up in this discussion is because I’ve been laid up with the flu.  Lately I’ve been ignoring all this stuff because I already know how it’s gonna work for me and sometimes I get tired of reading people’s options especially when their opinion is BS.  I’ve spoken to a lot of intelligent people in here tonight and a few, well I’ll just say not so intelligent people.  I don’t bother responding to some people in here anymore.  There’s only one person in this forum who I trust for accurate information based on facts and that’s ubonjoe.  Other than him you can ignore probably more than half of what you read in here although sometimes there are some intelligent conversations in this forum with some people.  

Anyway I really need to sleep off this cold or flu or whatever it is because I’ve got a long road trip tomorrow night ahead of me.  Anyway don’t worry chances are your immigration office is probably on the same page as mine because they told me that their immigration headquarters put that out as their internal policy regarding the income affidavits they’re supposed to be honored past January for up to six months after the date of completion so you shouldn’t have to worry depending on when your extension expires of course but even then I’m sure there will eventually be further guidance within the next six months.  Anyway good night I’m off the net for the night.  

4 minutes ago, crazyk said:

You seem like a complete tossa,a lot of people are in the same boat,they may never had the chance for a private pension or couldn't afford it as they had a family to support,you come across as a self centred no family <deleted>

Well that guy really was full of it I confirmed it through a reliable source he was trying to be spiteful that’s why I responded to him like that.  Although honestly if you don’t receive the minimum monthly income requirement or have the required money in the bank then you might have a problem surviving here unless you’re working here or something but that’s your business not mine.  If you have family supporting you that’s different I have absolutely nothing against you or that situation.  Everyone’s situation is different.  

6 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Well you're all set then.

 

Relax.

 

Yeah well I just looked it up for myself on the immigration website and I asked a very reliable source who’s been here for more than a decade and I confirmed that you are just full of it.  Just more misinformation as I figured it was, your post wasn’t even very intelligible.  I’m guessing that you’ve probably been drinking by the way you wrote it.  No one except you is even trying to spread that rumor.  

This is Thai Immigration Law copied and pasted in English:

Marriage Visa: A minimum monthly income requirement of 40,000 thousand baht minimum monthly income or 400,000 baht a month in the bank lump sum option for marriage visas 

Retirement Visas: A minimum monthly income requirement of 65,000 thousand baht monthly income or 800,000 thousand baht a month in the bank lump sum option.  

It hasn't changed it’s just people like you who just like to spread misinformation and get people worked up LMAO ????.  

21 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

This is gone.

 

There is evidently no clear method of producing documentation, at least at this juncture. Again, the police will accept the letter, but they are no longer being produced for all intents and purposes.

 

You'd really have to be a total chancer to rock up with a stack of complicated documents and yeah, it might work this year and it might save you until the police through this lot a lifeline.

 

But this is Thailand, land of lazy bureaucrats. IMO solution will always be money in the bank.

 

Single guy in Pattaya? Have a go. Have your life invested here? Maybe you should start playing the long game, you've already stumbled once.

 

I must say, I've always foreseen this. I'm late 50s and have 1m in bank. I'm on a marriage visa.

 

I am so not shocked by these events the BTS breaking down would be more of an eyebrow raiser.

 

The fact is...many just have to go because they don't have the money and never did. Even with a pension of 40k generating 25k income monthly is a bit of dosh from equities. Perhaps a home but then you have expenses and that assumes you own a 12m thb outright. Then there's taxes, maintenance, etc.

 

800k is the favor. Don't look for more.

 

Well actually I’m not rich like you but I make more than double the minimum monthly income requirement for both visas 40,000 or 65,000.  I finally just read your entire message and you’re just guessing that it’s “gone”.  Based on what facts?  According to my local immigration office they want to see monthly income or money in the bank.  Where are you getting this information from?  Unless you can offer some facts it just sounds like more misinformation to me and this one sounds like quite a whopper.