Anca

On 11/21/2018 at 5:16 AM, Kwasaki said:

I don't know how this began and what happened in procedures of the case you refer too or whether Thai lawyer was experiences in matters of the case.

The following is an overview of what you ask.

 

Criminal laws are the rules that apply when someone commits a crime, such as assault, robbery, murder, arson, rape and other kinds of crimes. After a person is arrested and charged with a crime, that person goes to a Criminal Court.

Civil law refers to almost all other disputes—these are the rules that apply when one person sues another person, a business or agency.  This can cover a housing case such as for eviction or foreclosure, a family case such as divorce or custody, consumer problems such as debt or bankruptcy, or when someone sues for money because of damage to property or personal harm.  All of these cases go to a Civil Court.

The judges in criminal and civil court have different powers.  Criminal Court judges can punish you for breaking the law by sending you to jail. Civil Court judges can order you to pay money or a fine, or make decisions about your family or your home. 

Thanks for answering ???? 

This mean our lawyer lied to me because lawyer knew that our main goal was to put rapist in jail, not to get his money.

Money don’t give safety & justice! Put him in jail for protecting other young girls and make him suffer in jail give safety & justice. 

On 11/21/2018 at 1:13 AM, FritsSikkink said:

I think your best bet would be to involve your countries media to put pressure on your countries embassy in Thailand.  

Dagbladet (one of biggest Norwegian newspaper) to day???????? 

What the Embassy is doing in Bangkok is a BIG question, unbelievable that they don’t help us ???? 

Hi, I’m wondering if someone can help me explain the difference between a civil and a crime case in court?

If a lawyer writes in documents that the person he’s representing and have all the power of authority to fight for give justice is a victim of rape, threatening etc. That the victim must flew the country because of threats and more text for proof the victim suffering. The lawyer also wrote that the defendent should pay the victim 5 million bath and that lawyer get 10% of this, can this still be a civil case in court?

The Lawyer have copy of all signed reports/statements from victim  to local tourists police and province tourist police earlier this year, lawyer also have dna result + lawyer has read statement that the defendant give police earlier this year. 

The thing I don’t understand is: 

if a lawyer have all this information and tell us he can take this case in court alone (without the plaintiff/victim) but 2 days before court said his Lawyer company is not aloud to take crime case alone so the plaintiff/victim must come to court, if it was a civil case lawyer could do it alone he text me... what happened? Can’t be possible that the lawyer didn’t know this! This lawyer have a big authority in his home-province and he also work for the government in that province (not same province all this bad happened to us) so I can’t believe he didn’t know the rules about civil or crime case in his own company and when I asking him what happened, why he changed he don’t answer me  so I still wonder ?!?

I didn’t know it’s not aloud to post in only one forum so I must delete this one and I have same in krabi forum 

2 minutes ago, Darcula said:

Good luck with your quest for justice.

 

You won't get a peep from the local authorities unless your story hits the international press.

So please help me hit the international press! The big newspaper dagbladet in Norway is already but need to ask Embassy etc for get their meaning first... I’m happy for help ????

 wanne publish our story because I wanne warn others about the corrupt and crazy authority system in Krabi/Thailand and I wanne publish in hope that some other people with authority in Thailand can make the police stop blame victims and make them start help because much better for rumours of Thailand.

My daughter was raped in AoNang short time past midnight 12. February and after I take her to Krabi hospital for get injection, Dna test etc we reported to police and the same day we reported the staff from the bar the rape happened inside came to the hotel we stayed in and start threatening us... and we flew Thailand 1.5 day before court because this bad guys get worse, we found out police lying to us long story and you will find all details in another story. 

My husband and I thought we found a way for finally give my daughter justice when she still safe in Norway so we travel to Surat Thani in September and prepared together with the lawyer, and our lawyer told we will win the case for 100% and my husband and I travel happy back to Norway for think and discuss travel for stay in court or not. 

My husband and I had big trust in this lawyer and what he said so we booked flight + hotel and came back to krabi airport 8.november... guess what happened? 

After 1 night in hotel, date 9. November, my husband take his first steps outside hotel for buy chips/candy in SMart next to the hotel and a white pickup stop him and the driver, a Thai man, pointing a gun at my husband and tell him to take me out of Thailand that day if not he will kill me and him, if he tell security at hotel they will kill security too... 

This was Friday 9. November and I was going to witness and fight justice for my daughter in Krabi court 13. November... but this guys is so crazy and we know they mean it when they say they wanne kill me... and we don’t know how they knew we was back, how they knew what hotel we stayed in, how they knew my husband was outside hotel and in same minute the gunman show up... to much things suddenly not okay so we decided to escape/flew Thailand again... my second time flew Thailand a few days before court. 

My lawyer from Surat Thani that I already had paid and cleared out that could take case in court without both my daughter and me, change his mind and write messages to me and tell my daughter must come to court her self because she is the plaintiff in case... he already knew my daughter can’t come back to Thailand because she still suffering after rape, the threatening, our escape and hiding in Dubai in February. I had prepared all documents from Norway authorities and Thai embassy in Norway so this lawyer has 100% power of authority and can take my daughter case in court without her... he told me to fix this documents so he could take it all when we back in Norway and I did what he told me to do but monday 12. November he message me can not and when I ask why you change your rules he answer me “can not, this is Thailand”

Our embassy in Bangkok doesn’t help and I’m lost, sad and angry because I believe police in Krabi, the bad guys in AoNang and our lawyer from Surat Thani set me up... how can they do this way? Why they don’t protect and help??? A f...... local bartender raped my daughter and all his friends + polices day our lawyer only continue the crime against us! 

9 minutes ago, jackdd said:

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Thanks :))) 

Whaaaat... 15 February this year? Please send me link so I can read! 

my daughter and I escaped from AoNang 15. February... 

i dont understand how how I can post comment under each comment you people post? I’m NEW in this... only used Facebook and messenger until last days..haha!

Thanks for support and yours understanding! 

We will publish in newspapers this weekend, I already post 1 video at YouTube and at my Facebook... if you guys will help me publishing please share from my Facebook: Anca Håkestad or IHANA I Helped AoNang Animals 

The Norwegian embassy know about this but the only thing they help with is send me a list with lawyers in Thailand and in this list they also write that the embassy take no responsibility for any of this lawyers... feel safe to put money on a local lawyer in a corrupt place like this?!? No way!

the only winner would be the lawyer because he/she can handle to make police or us pay more and more... I will not gamble my money into that. 

The embassy also contacted Krabi Police for get updates in case and ask for copies from the paper we signed... 

I travelled to AoNang (Krabi) many times every year, first time in December 2011, after first time I believed AoNang was my paradise on Earth! I loved the area and I was stupid enough to believe this place was safe... Because I never read Thai news (before now) and when we stayed in AoNang me and my family enjoyed time with local friends, visit local temples, practice yoga and meditate, not at least helping homeless animals with medical treatment if they needed, sterilised cats and dogs for reducing the number of homeless animals in future. We never party in nightclubs or stayed out in late evenings/nights... (I agree, it sounds little bit boring to spend time like this in Thailand but I loved it and I need much restitution/recovery because sickness) ...what I try to say is when not read/listen to news, never stays out late night, don’t know or watch all the crazy things that happen around you  it’s more easy to “loose your mind” and forget you stay in a corrupt country with almost no justice for victims! 

I will NOT say ‘if I knew all the things I know about AoNang- Krabi now, I wouldn’t let my 19 year old daughter go to <name of bar removed> Bar alone with 3 friends’...because probably I think the same way many people do after 14 long holidays in exactly same area and nothing bad happen to you or some people you know... “this only happen to other people, not me or my family!” I know my self... learning the hard way because I’m almost blind and believe(d) most people I meet is harmless.

But what happened to my daughter is not about being blind, stupid, drunk, how she was dressed etc. It’s only about extremely bad luck because all she did was ask the bartender how to find the toilet... he followed her downstairs, he open a door, he pushed her to a bed behind the door, he pull her pants off and he raped her! 

When rapist is ‘finish’ he stop holding her fast and she run upstairs, continue run outside, down the road and she phoned me... crying and screaming in panic, only words I understand is “moooooom, come to the road outside BlueHotel!!!» Around 50 minutes earlier I looked into her happy eyes and I told her to enjoy time with her friends and now she shaking, screaming and she can’t breathe normally... Police take us to Krabi hospital, she get medical treatment and dna tests from sperm, we stayed 4-5 hours in hospital before we take taxi back to hotel in AoNang. My husband and my 27 year old daughter begging us to come home to Norway same evening...  after I called and told what happened they both start searching internet and they read other rape-stories and my husband wanne book flight and begging please take this flight home! In same time many many police officers come to the hotel we stayed in and I started think maybe the police care about us for real... we go with them to Krabi Police station for report perpetrator. Police told us to sign report texted in Thai, I feel not okay to do because the translator many times use google for translation Thai-English and I asked police officer if my local friend (she waiting outside) please can read report before we sign... she answer me “can not madam, secret documents” I feel not safe if we sign... in same way I feel not shoure police not start being angry if we not sign, so we both signed. Crazy to do?!? -yes, I know...

Police arrests the rapist same day and next day the police told us we can feel 100% safe because rapist will not be bailed out... and they told us police closed <name of bar removed> Bar because more safe for us! Bullshit, after police closed Bar the staff start coming to hotel we stayed in and threatened us. The staff from Bar and friends of staff threaten and followed us for 2 days, we feel very unsafe and some other people told us the owner at Bar + owner at hotel we stayed in was mafia tougher and that they pay money to police for continue to criminal things in AoNang- Krabi... 100% panics in our minds so we changed hotel this night, my husband booked flight and we escaped from Thailand 5 am 14th February.

The police told us the rapist not bailed out but HE BAILED OUT AFTER 1 DAY in jail, how can the police lie about this??? Why do the police pretending they care and almost all they say is lies?!? I’m shoure police believe the tourist-victims not will find out and they believe no other tourist will get the true story about how they practice corruption and lies in cases like this! After I come back to Norway I read so many stories about rape in Thailand and many times the police punish the victims... police and other in ministry means the victim is to drunk and should understand that when females is drunk they ask for get raped... if females wearing shorts in Bar they ask for get raped, if females is alone outside hotel/home after midnight they ask for get raped etc. This make me so ANGRY!!! Please help me find a way for make them understand it’s NOT the victims that do something wrong! Help me fight for more justice in future... if only way for victims to feel justice is to let the world know the truth about how police protect the rapist and blame the victims, share all stories you read!