4 hours ago, Trujillo said:

Brett Giroir went straight into teaching after his fellowship. He did not actually work as a physician in the strict sense of the meaning. And he trained as a pediatrician. 

 

He's claim about transmission is as valid as is the claims by my local veterinarian. 

A little more of what Dr. Fauci said:

“When you measure the level of virus in the nasal pharynx of asymptomatic people, compared to people who are symptomatic, there doesn’t seem to be any difference, which means there’s as much virus in the nose of a person who’s asymptomatic as there is in a symptomatic person,” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg in an interview. 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/507807-asymptomatic-spread-responsible-for-most-virus

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

You should show the only meaningful graph there is.

Deaths. Check it out. 

 

That graph you displayed means absolutely nothing. Completely useless. 

 

This second wave is completely overblown, only to be rivaled by the overblowing during the 1st wave. 

There is generally a 3 to 6 week lag in deaths following infection. Here is an up to date graph showing daily cases vs daily deaths. You'll note that deaths have started to increase

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

You dont think those governments benefitted from the private sector and that they were obliged to check the private sector to make sure this did not happen (check your banks). 

 

Again i show you how the Dutch also went up in debt and then back down again because we reformed. What don't you understand about reform and stop playing the victim. Bailed you out enough. 

 

But lets take 2014 for example you see that that is about the highest point for both the Dutch and Spain. After that the Dutch went down almost 20% while went down a mere 5%. So that shows who reformed and changed and who did not. Same goes for Italy at the height way after the crisis they did not go down in debt or reform. 

Nonsense.

I don't know what you're on about re government benefits from banks. Foreign banks made foolish loans to the private sector in Spain. They didn't practice due diligence. Why should the government sector be compelled to bail out private banks?

Spain's economy was devastated because of the harsh conditions imposed by the EU. BAiling out the banks was hugely damaging. What harsh conditions were imposed on the Netherlands? What would the recovery of the Northern European nations have looked like if they had to assume responsibility for their banks' malfeasances? 

 And if Spain, like Poland, Hungary, and Iceland had its own currency, it would have been much better able to recover.

And I see that you're still sticking with that nonsense that my use of "cantata" as name is somehow proof of my national originals. Doesn't speak well of how you arrive at conclusions.

What also significant to note is how poorly the Eurozone performed in the wake of the Great Recession compared to the UK  and the USA and even closer to home. Poland and Hungary which have their own currencies bounced out of the Great REcession with amazing rapidity.

The case of Iceland is instructive, too. The UK tried to bully the government of Iceland into assuming responsibility for the its private banks' debts. Apparently, lured by high interest rates, lots of UK citizens had put their cash into said banks. Anyway, Iceland told the UK to go stuff itself. Given that it has its own currency and is subject to no externally imposed  debt limits, Iceland also rebounded rapidly from the Great Recession.

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes im using your name as an indication to where you come from. Definitely not real proof but it gives an idea same with your ideas. Never said it to be 100% proof.

 

But your actually proving yourself that its bad governance. Because the crisus was around 2010 but even after that the debt ratio kept going up. The Dutch debt ratio is now lower as before the crisus. So we did get it lots lower. I just don't see the south doing the same.

 

Our people took the hit and we improved. Is it that bad to expect the south to do the same and NOT to pay for them after we reformed. Why would we work hard and then give it to the south.

 

 

What don't you understand about the fact that private banks that lent heavily to the south were bailed out by making those government assume their debts? Why should governments be penalized for the mistakes of the private sector?

34 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

its part of the history and past,you cant just delete history and heritage,some say traitors well they said that of the first rebellion the successful one.many in the south thought they were fighting the same fight,they saw the north as the oppressor.you cant put 2020s leftist ideology into the 1860s thats just plain dumb,consider what the heroes of the north did when it was over-grant sheridan[he who said only good injuns a dead injun fame],custer died on his bid for the white house!thats history too.a dark bloody story of land grabs and genocide,but they were the good guys!

You may not be able to apply leftist ideology to the 1860's but you can certainly apply abolitionist ideology.

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Not a myth, i have no faith in you as its obvious where you come from given your name.

 

Why is it that we in the north reforms and let our people feel the burden and you guys in the south just keep on begging and let us take the hit. 

 

Small fraction of GDP.. if its that small why not let Italy and Spain pay the same if they could do that they would not have to beg all the time. 

Very foolish to challenge an assertion. Especially one that is so easily provable.

Spain' Debt to GDP ratio

https://tradingeconomics.com/spain/government-debt-to-gdp

Italy's debt to GDP ration

https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/government-debt-to-gdp

As for invoking the name of my avatar as some dispositive proof of my national origin...how ridiculous can you get? Just further evidence how political ideology contributes to the paralysis of thought processes.

59 minutes ago, ezzra said:

“Mandatory masks is ridiculous! If they don’t specify a standard of mask (a type that might actually work) & say any face covering (most of which even the scientists say are useless) then how is this anything other than political to create fear inspired compliance of other rules,” wrote another.

 

from Australia News.com

This assertion from the party reported on is false. 

20 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Great. 

 

So it is obvious that schools need to reopen. 

 

The damage to the children being isolated is not acceptable. 

 

The continued financial damage to parents who need to be back earning a living is unacceptable. 

 

But we know exactly what the motives are behind the refusal of the democrat party teachers unions are. It has nothing to do with the virus. 

Young People Most Likely To Spread Coronavirus At Home, Large Study Finds

Younger people aged 10 to 19 years old are more likely than other age groups to spread the coronavirus in their household, according to a large contact tracing study in South Korea soon to be published by the Centers for Disease Control, a concerning sign as U.S. school districts weigh whether to reopen for in-person classes in the fall.

23 minutes ago, scammed said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWOqv3fbLa4

 

So many lies in that video I stopped watching. First off, the graphs in it were out of date. The increase in testing is only partly responsible for the increasing number of infections. The positivity rate has also increased. What's more significant is that the number of people being hospitalized for covid has drastically increased. And now deaths are jumping too in those states that reopened early. BLM demonstrations have also been tracked using mobile phone data and no spikes have been reported. That's probably due to the fact that most of the demonstrators wore masks. Not only does epidemiological evidence support the effectiveness mask wearing, the studies of exactly how they stop virus bearing droplets from traveling further bears this out.

13 minutes ago, Starmocihc said:

 They're lucky to not be tossed from helicopters. 

You mean it's only luck that's keeping them from being tossed from helicopters? Your opinion of the Trump administration is even lower than mine.

12 minutes ago, Starmocihc said:

Yeah show up and operate as an Antifa commie terrorist, that's likely what's going to happen. 

If they are terrorists, they are remarkably bad ones. And given that they seem to confine their depredations to a 12 block area, they are also remarkably easy to avoid.

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You dreamer you. They've been talking about second wave for ages.

Well, if you want to engage in semantics fine. But the virus has clearly resurged in the USA. Whether you want to call that First Wave Part 2, or Second Wave, makes little difference I imagine, to that rapidly increasing number of those who are now afflicted. For what it's worth, technically speaking, it's the former. 

And the talk about the second wave predicts its arrival in the autumn. So what relevance does your comment have about how long it's been talked about?

And what you and so many other denialists don't seem to get, it's not just about you. It's the fact that you can infect others. Which is the primary reason why mask wearing is recommended.

On 7/16/2020 at 10:35 AM, Logosone said:

I do actually.

 

Since 0.8% of the population have the virus and 0.43% are asymptomatic you can estimate that around 99.2% people do not have the virus.

 

And of course you will know if someone is sick, sick people tend to have symptoms, in the very vast majority of cases. Asymptomatic transmission is so rare, 0-2.3% that you can discount that possibility really.

 

 

Thanks for the disinformation.

Top HHS official says ‘most’ of the coronavirus transmission is from asymptomatic people

• Most transmission of the coronavirus is coming from people who are asymptomatic and never develop any signs of the virus, a top official from the Department of Health and Human Services said Friday.
• “Just feeling like you want to go get a test is really not the best strategy, but we know that most of the spread are from asymptomatic people, particularly young adults, so you have to cast a wide net and I think we’re able to do that,” Adm. Brett Giroir said in an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”
• Scientists have found that people who don’t have symptoms can spread the virus.
• https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/17/top-hhs-official-says-most-of-the-coronavirus-transmission-is-from-asymptomatic-people.html

2 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

The States are the first responders. The federal government is there to provide support as needed and eliminate federal obstacles that hinder the states ability to respond. When the NY/NJ outbreak was on, Cuomo was provided 1000's of temporary hospital beds in the city and a 1000 bed hospital ship with medical staff. Cuomo chose to send the COVID overflow into nursing homes rather than utilize those federally provided beds. The lack of PPE and critical care equipment is a direct result of 30 years of US companies  basing their manufacturing in China. China hoarded up the available inventory during the weeks when they and the WHO were covering up the extent of the virus.   

What is this nonsense about the states are the first responders? So what? If a state is faced with flooding sure. But when you're faced with a pandemic, you can't leave it up to each individual state to choose its own strategy. Trump had and still has the legal authority to take charge of fighting the pandemic. And I noticed you have no answer for the fact that Trump refused to compel industry to produce PPE. That should have been done from day one.

12 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Exactly. I can't believe the media has not noticed this. All the violence and chaos is in democrat run states. Well, the media might not have noticed, but I'm pretty sure Joe Public has. In November they have a clear choice of voting for anarchy under the dems, or law and order under Trump. Never mind the pink rinse frumps and tattooed love puppies in black, it is an easy choice for normal, balanced voters. 

They might just possibly notice stuff like this:

Trump administration pushing to block new money for testing, tracing and CDC in upcoming coronavirus relief bill

2 hours ago, checkered flag said:

Let's get this straight. Trump is blamed for the pandemic because it's the states responsibility to direct public health, close businesses etc. Trump blew the covid response when he gave them everything the states requested, developed advisory teams of experts. Now, when the anarchy mob wants to burn down or loot federal building and facilities, and the liberal governors and mayors  do nothing, he blamed for protecting our assets. 

It's a pandemic. It makes no sense to say it's only the states' responsibility. Unless, of course, you  believe that viruses don't cross state lines. Trump has the authority under the Defense Act to compel private business to produce whatever is necessary to combat the disease including PPE. He has mostly refused to do so. There is still a critical shortage of PPE. Health care workers are getting sick and dying because of the lack of it. That's just one of the many ways that President Trump has failed in his duty during this pandemic.

Under the law, Trump has all the authority he needs to lead the protect American citizens from the pandemic. The only things he seems intent on using his authority for is to protect buildings and monuments.

Feds, right-wing media paint Portland as ‘city under siege.’ A tour of town shows otherwise

Many people who live in Portland, including Alexander, heard over the past few days from worried relatives in other states who feared that their loved ones in Portland might have been affected by fires or caught in police crossfire as they went about their day.

The images that populate national media feeds, however, come almost exclusively from a tiny point of the city: a 12-block area surrounding the Justice Center and federal courthouse.

And they occur exclusively during late-night hours in which only a couple hundred or fewer protesters and scores of police officers are out in the city’s coronavirus-hollowed downtown.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/feds-right-wing-media-paint-portland-as-city-under-siege-a-tour-of-town-shows-otherwise.html

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

7 minutes ago, norfolkc said:

All the City's where this protesting and destruction of property is happening are Democrat run Trump is wrong he should let them burn them to the ground if they want to because when he tries to stop it he is then the villein he should sit back and let it happen  

In Portland demonstrations were on the decline. Federal intervention has actually re-energized them. So, yes, withdrawing Federal forces would be a good idea. Though for exactly the opposite reason that you propose.

9 hours ago, Logosone said:

I never disagreed about Mercedes, but cars are the exception, not the rule.

Nonsense. In 2019 China imported more from abroad than did the EU.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263646/import-of-goods-to-china/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/253584/import-of-goods-to-the-eu/

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

You are not being serious now.

 

I hope that's a joke.

 

Are you saying the Greek fiasco was nothing to do with Greece's fiscal irresponsibility?

 

The only reason the German leadership at the time did not want a Grexit was because there was the hope that millions of Euro would eventually be paid back, and of course some in Germany are blinded by ideology when it comes to the EU.

 

Certainly nothing to do with any competitive advantage Germany supposedly gains paying BILLIONS of Euro in free money to Greece et al. Germany did very well before the EU and would do very well without the EU.

I specifically invoked Italy and Spain. Yes. Greece was fiscally irresponsible. Of course, it was fiscally irresponsible before it joined the EU also. It shouldn't have been admitted in the first place. Nor Portugal. But German threats to Greece weren't just about Greece. It was a warning from Germany about what it would do to keep other nations in the Euro. And as for your comment that Germany did very well before the EU and would do very well without  the EU, (I'm assuming you mean the Euro). ..maybe. Who knows? Yours is just an assertion. But we do know that thanks to a currency that's depressed in relation to what a sovereign German currency would be, the Euro gives a big boost to exports by keeping the price of german products lower than they would otherwise be.

28 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Who said instantly? It's already happening though. There's plenty of population in Indonesia.

So how much weight does a threat like the one you propose really carry if it's going to be invoked some time in the indefinite future?