WesleyPsyD

1 hour ago, Bang Bang said:

Come on, Wes, you wrote the following in your OP

and it never struck you why a business was open all that time without really doing any business? Of course, it did.

But you willed yourself to not care for the sake of a big payday. Hey, happens to the best of us. Heck, way back when the genius I was bought $20,000 of Red Hat when the barkers were touting it as the next Microsoft. Sold for $1,700 a few months later, lesson learned, stopped looking to get rick quick, invested ever since only in conservative funds and am now a fairly wealthy man.

Look at it this way in your case. The Chinese guy actually did you a favor bailing early. If the operation had unraveled after actually doing a bunch of shady stuff with you sitting blithely in the front office, then you would have taken the fall and probably ended up for a longish stint in the slammer.

Once the company is opened, ending the business actually need more money considering that you need to handle the severance pay etc and such.

It wasn't a high risk project to begin with, but i guess it may be hard to understand from my post (unless you're wearing the shoes) I guess it will be hard to understand. 

1 minute ago, Bang Bang said:

So you knew he was a crook but joined with him anyway in setting up shell companies in the hope of getting a cut of the loot down the line.

Which makes you. A crook.

 

But I don't think so. My sense is you actually are a dope because

you go to China to look up a Chinese crook might have done you dirty. And I think the Chinese gentleman in question thinks so too as he kindly didn't have you dropped to the bottom of the Yangtze with a cement collar around your neck.

He misrepresented himself in the beginning, those illegal activities were made known to me only towards the end of 2017. Good luck to you btw. Cheers.

3 minutes ago, grollies said:

By 'TV' I think he meant 'Thai Visa'.

Ah... i do mean television tho, an award out of it isn't bad.

59 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

helluva first post, gotta be up for some kinda TV award? ????

I agree. It could be laid out for a TV show or Film, except I hope for a good ending.

It seems that the best way to get heard is to write a will and kill myself, than hit the headlines and finally my case will finally get picked up. It will make for a good drama too, not it be? ???? (not suicidal, don't worry if anyone is concerned at all) 

I am still hoping to find a suitable law enforcement agency to make the report. I had seen some people report at the Crime Suppression Division, which is at Phaholyothin Road, but they seem to be largely local as well. 

47 minutes ago, grollies said:

Comes up with.....Interpol.

A mod should close this.

Yes. Google search will bring you to "Interpol" but if you further research how the agency works, you will know that they want you contact local law enforcement. It is not possible to report a crime to them directly and Interpol is just an agency that coordinate efforts between police from a country with another. Read this article if you have time: Beyond the myth of Interpol, the world's police organization

Dear All,

I am writing to seek some advise about how to go about making a proper police report, especially a particular agency whom will listen to what I have to say. I am a victim of an international crime, and a complicated one at that. I have been having little luck trying to get myself to get proper justice as it seem that the police aren't really interested, claims no jurisdiction as the other party is from China and also the details are probably too complex for the usual policeman to understand. 

What happened (In a nutshell)

- I got to know of a Chinese businessman, in Thailand, whom falsely introduced himself as a successful businessman in China. (I went to his "office", seen his "project", knew his "friends" and even became a "family friend". Basically I know many things about him including his participation in illegal activities in China etc)

- I had opened several company here in Thailand (and Myanmar) with funds provided by him but all under my name. (Big mistake since he is not legally responsible for my plight)

- The company was medium sized by planning with 20-25 staff. However he had provided all the funds for salary and rent (goes up to 1,000,000 Baht per month for 2-3 years), but never really follow through with the funds for actual business operation. Effectively a shelf company with minimal business activities.

- Suddenly in late, 2017 he claims of difficulty and didn't follow up with any funds and asked me for a small loan. Instead I have to used all my available resources to fulfill my legal responsibilities but the process exhausted me and put me in deep trouble.

- Everything that support my claims are in the form of wechat conversation (social media APP) that I have seldom deleted.

The biggest question is why is him paying all these funds into maintaining a company for a period of at least 3 years, the funds used is at least 30,000,000 Baht (?!), a big enough ongoing commitment that I didn't suspect would go wasted,

Before you make any decisions that I am content with drawing money on a regular basis from the company in the form of salary or benefits, do note that I have not drawn a single month of salary or a cent for my personal use. I could have but understanding that I have a percentage of the share in the project, I didn't do that since it was actually operating and not profitable. He claimed to have "difficulties" into following through his plans, however the monthly payment for the company was huge enough for me to trust that it wouldn't be a project to let go easily.. blah blah there was a-lot of misplaced trust.

Criminal or Civil?

1. The identity of the Chinese person is fraudulent, he is not the owner of the business he claims to be his. (In my opinion, a misrepresentation to be someone he is not to gain my trust)

2. Because the company in Thailand (and Myanmar) has never really been making money or made direct funds transfer to him, it is hard to establish a crime. However, under false information of his problems to be resolved by November, 2017 he had requested me to take a loan from my friend for business maintenance and from it a loan to him which was wired through wechat wallet (not the topical bank transfer).

3. Somewhere during the period where he was making me stressed about the abilities of handling my responsibility, he tries to make me explore into the possibilities of going into the sales of Myanmar passport to blacklisted people in China, which was indeed doable if you know how. Which I think may had been a plan to induce me into doing an illegal business. (I think it's criminal intent)

4. He had in social media app (wechat) asked me for a loan and I directed funds that was suppose to be used for business to him via wechat money transfer. (This was argued to be embezzlement and managed to file a police report solely on this for the case) However, wechat transaction is not a traditional bank transfer and thus the evidence may not be accepted as well since it cannot be officially proven to be a true financial institution in Thailand. 

The bigger picture

During a period of time when he wasn't contactable, I had reasons to believe that he was being kidnapped due to the conversations we had at that time and I board a flight to china to see what I can help and indeed to find him. In short, I found out that he was totally okay and while trying unsuccessfully to launch a police report in China, they don't have jurisdiction over the case and that they said that while they understand that I'm telling the truth but social media chat-logs aren't usable as evidence in China. The officer gave me the possibility as to what happened, this person doesn't need the Thailand company to be an actual functioning business, he does needs it to appear as "functioning" so he can fraud other people into investing in him. So it is possible that the Thailand project was simply a "tool" for him to commit other crime possibly in his own country. Seeing his claim to be on the brink of bankruptcy in early 2018 to suddenly owning a 1.8 billion Chinese Yuan project, it's very likely that this had happened. 

Because the entire case has to be build on wechat chatlog which couldn't be used as evidence in China, the Chinese authorities advised me to report it to the police in Thailand since it has a potential of becoming a criminal case.

The police report

Under the advisement of the lawyer, whom was suppose to file a private criminal case, I filed a police report for embezzlement and the case was accepted. It was thought that an arrest warrant might be easier than extradition and that legal threat may force him to negotiate to solve the problem; I thought things would move quicker but after 5 - 6 months after the police report, I heard nothing and so I contacted the police last week *10 January 2019. The officer didn't made much progress and, told me basically that he didn't understand how the funds was transferred between me to him; I went to his office and he basically neglected the evidence was provided to him 5 months ago due to "confusion" and misplaced the evidence in another case's file. I basically saw him take out the evidence for my case from another case's folder (This is Thailand! T.i.T T.i.T ????)

Nevertheless the prosecutor office has said that they need more "information" about the case, seeing that this is an international case. They are asking for addresses that he stayed and when he came to Thailand last time, although it doesn't make sense since the case was clearly "international" and they may need his location in China in the case of arrest warrant etc. Basically we are still at square one, all the information was already provided and the police has not ask proper question as to what was not sufficient into building my case etc. The lawyer is not doing the job, in particular that they didn't follow up properly to know that the evidence that the police wants were already provided etc. etc. I want to see progress here on and so I decided not to pick a fight with them since I have had already made a fee payment to them. This has been an expensive police report which they want to refund me 50% for the service fee for nothing should I wish to cancel their service.

I believe that I am not talking to the right authorities and it seems that the tourist police may have more patience, but they don't have actual police's powers. It's a pity that there's no actual interpol, aseanapol which I think may be appropriate to file a police report; also being a foreigner, puts me at a disadvantage into trying to file a police report I think. 

Going through the civil court will not work and being desperate for funds now means that my options are limited, I need to rely on justice system somehow to either get an arrest warrant, extradition or to somehow notify the other party that he is at actual risk of such by a contacted law agency, he will likely to be willing to solve the problem instead of facing the risk. If anyone knows of any appropriate law enforcement agency that I should file a report at, especially for an international case, I will appreciate any information.