FlyinDutchMan

21 minutes ago, forrwhat said:

Man did the clinic give you a course of antiretroviral drugs? If you go within 24 hours there is a protocol of medication that you can take to lessen your chance of infection. 

No they did not give me anything on my first visit, they just told me to consider taking PeP. Ive scheduled a bunch of std test as soon as they are usefull in the coming weeks so ill make sure i go over any possible infection. 

Also for those interested, now my second day on PeP i do not feel any kind of side effects, also no dizzyness. 

27 minutes ago, elektrified said:

It sure is. There are several threads like this, all promoting the same clinic and all 'highly recommended" by new members with less than 10 posts.

The thread can be closed and deleted, i got the help and peace of mind i was looking for and i want to thank most people here for all their positive and helpfull feedback. If there is doubts on wether this is legit, admins can close it, at this point there is nothing else i could ask for in these forums and me reviewing the clinic and giving updates on my status is purely me trying to return the favor of being helpfull to others. Again, i got what i needed and i hope some other people did aswell from all the information gathered here but i don't mind if the thread is closed if it conflicts with any rules or it is making people suspicious.

22 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Now lets say next week u drunk again and horny and u make a simular mistake then u repeat the same proces again?

btw i seriously doubt ur insurance going to refund all ur over the top medical bills.. 

what amount have u spend so far on medical?

I've learned my lesson trust me. They already confirmed a cover of costs, i'm well insured and the costs are not that high so far. About 4k baht so far, this includes the PeP treatment, HIV, Hepatitis B and kidney tests.

This is very cheap though (not trying to promote) compared to costs at different places i've read about.

To give a little update, my kidney and HIV test i took yesterday have both come out with good results. I can continue taking the PeP treatment and up until this specific encounter i can say i've been HIV negative. My Hepatitis B results should come in today. After finding out my insurance will cover any medical costs for testing in Thailand i will request the clinic to test me for every STD they can as soon as it's usefull to do. As far as i remember, most tests will only be usefull to take in about 2 weeks from now (things as Syphilis, other forms of Hepatitis, chlamydia, etc.). My genitals look and feel no different so far but that is probably too soon to judge anything on. Without mentioning names i've had some private messages sent to me because of this topic and i've learned that the side effects of PeP are indeed very different for different people. I'm pretty certain this has to do with the kind of PeP medication that is given. Maybe it has something to do with the person itself and how the body reacts to the drug but if i think about how my clinic told me barely any of their use cases experienced any side effects, compared to what i've read, i think it mostly has to do with the components of the PeP medication as there are some different kinds. My first day of taking PeP was alot less intense than i expected and i feel lucky about that so far. Shorty after taking it i experienced a tiny bit of dizzyness as i mentioned before and then later at night time after taking a couple hour nap, during a meal, i felt a slight dizzyness again for a couple of minutes and some sensation in my upper body(this could have nothing to do with the drug). Overall my first day has been completely fine and i'll have to see how things go today. I did hear someone experiencing more severe side effects from day 2 or 3 onwards so if something new comes up i'll give an update on that.

5 minutes ago, atyclb said:

not an uncommon tactic on forums in general

 

 

 

 

 

that and seems your very first post on these forums and all others are on this sole topic.

I don't know what to say, it is not my intention to give this impression. I've only been in thailand for a week and am willing to show you my ticket or whatever can assure you that i'm not here to promote anything. The morning i woke up after my experience i just typed in chiang mai forum on google and made an account here, i have indeed never been on this forum before but i just clicked the first one i could find to find people to talk to about this.

4 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

is this topic a "setup" aka bait to end up promoting a particular clinic considering all the detail about said clinic and glowing reviews?

That would be quite an achievement but no i wish lol. I can provide proof if you'd like and i doubt medical institutions would promote themselves with a forum topic.

I understand you'd think this after my long review of the clinic but i'm a very carefull person and freaked out, the clinic just did an amazing job at comforting me and giving me good options for steps to take, that's why i was so positive about it. Please don't get the wrong idea.

7 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Without question, take the PEP meds NOW, and I mean NOW. Do not think about it. Do it NOW. She may not know whether she is infected. She may be in denial. You met her on the street and she is not on the game? Hmmm.

 

Otherwise you could be taking retrovirals for the rest of your life - and that would be the best outcome if you get infected. There are a lot of worse outcomes. Here you have a chance to make sure you get something right and you are dithering?

 

And in future, wear a condom.

The pills are in my body already and yes i will. 

6 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said:

So many supportive comments, I almost forgot this is T.V. Honestly though, I'm just curious, why wouldn't you just go with a hot thai woman who is willing to take it up the pooper? I just can't understand the reasoning, cause if you are gay you want a man. Why take a man that looks like a woman?

 

I'm seriously not taking the piss here, just really interested in the reasoning behind your decision to go with a man that looks like a woman, instead of just a woman? Christ knows there's no shortage of woman here.

Honestly I ask myself the same question. I am not gay and have never felt attracted to a male. I really don't know man, i'm a reasonably attractive guy, i've been with the most beautifull thai woman i could find and i would laugh in your face if you told me i could end up in a situation like this. I got too drunk, this boy grabbed me and my dick and i just got horny and he slowly convinced me to come for just a blowjob at first. I don't know honestly, it still feels unreal to me and i have no better explanation than me being too drunk and horny and it just happened somehow. I refused coming with him at first and i didn't go inside anywhere. The blowjob just led up to him turning around and putting a condom on me, took it off sucked me off again, put another condom on me but i couldn't come, he took it off and i continued out of horniness i guess. My body shivers while typing this lol.

15 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

Have at least two tests several weeks apart after the minimum time has elapsed. Believe Sheryl's advice.   Do not bother to try and find the girl/boy.  No hooker, male female or other will ever tell the truth under these circumstances.  If she did it once bareback, she has done it before. If you washed well, soon after the event and had no skin lesions at the time your risk is relatively small.  Soap & water is apparently your friend as the HIV virus is apparently very delicate and easily killed.   Your risk is also less if you happen to be circumcised. (less places to incubate virus material.)   Carelessness can kill.  There is way better than a good chance that you will be OK but good to be worried.  Don't make the same mistake again.  Always take a raincoat with you when you go out.

I am circumcised and i washed my member like crazy right after as i was already kinda freaked out when i got home. I thought it would be useless but thats great to hear. I definately won't make the same mistake again and hope i come out of this one unscaved.

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

12 minutes ago, FlyinDutchMan said:

I'll make sure to get tested for all STD's as soon as i can, my insurance covers it in thailand aswell. The only pretreatment that i know of now for HIV is PReP(different than PeP). And then PeP is pretreatment after getting a possible infection.

I still would try to get the LB tested, its only 200-500 baht. Otherwise its a 3 month wait to be 100% and you'll never know if the LB was HIV+ or not

A lot of different opinions about this so far. I felt like doing it and maybe i'll still try, the area the lb could be is close and i think i could find him/her. On the other hand, as people mentioned aswell. Even if the test comes out negative it would only apply to his/her activity from a month back and before. If there was an infection in the past 4 weeks the test would not show this and also a fresh contraction is a lot more contagious than one that has been there for  a while. The clinic said this could be a good idea though because ofcourse if the test comes out negative it lowers the chances in general of me being infected but it definately doesn't exclude the possibilty. If the test comes out positive, they'd probably suggest i start a PeP treatment which i already did so it doesn't change much about the sitation other than it would give me more peace of mind.

6 minutes ago, sead said:

Ok. The best option would be to pay the Lb for an complete test. That way you dont have to wait xx days for this and that infections inkubationtime.

If you go to your home country you have free sexual disease centers. As i know its not possible to pretreat hiv or any other infection even if there are options. H

I'll make sure to get tested for all STD's as soon as i can, my insurance covers it in thailand aswell. The only pretreatment that i know of now for HIV is PReP(different than PeP). And then PeP is pretreatment after getting a possible infection.

Alright no problem! Yea i'd be happy to give information for anyone that might end up in a similar situation. For me, i went to CM Mediclinic in Chiang mai. You'll find it easily when typing it in google or google maps. It has a 4.9 out of 5 with 35 reviews, thats the reason i went there and i have to agree. It's a very small but very clean and friendly clinic. They've been super helpfull and responded fast every time. They were happy to answer my insane amount of questions and i think a British guy runs the place, i've talked with him for a while before leaving today. They really calmed me down and the PeP treatment they gave me is great so far. It's only been a few hours since my first intake of the 2 different pills they give (you take them together every 24 hours at the same time after eating, especially the first days its important to have a maximum of 24 hours in between). Anyway my fears of side effects was unneccassery, maybe an hour after taking them i felt a tiny bit dizzy for maybe 3 minutes but thats literally it. I didn't have to sit down or anything i just felt something but honestly i could say there's really no side effects so far. Ofcourse i only just took them today so maybe this is not the best information but on the other hand they told me its mainly the first day when you may experience some side effects like dizzyness and nausia. I just went out to eat and i felt completely normal like i hadn't taken anything. I should add that there's different kinds of PeP medicine. The lady told me about the different names but i don't remember exactly what she said as there were a bunch of medical terms. Anyway my bottles say, Ricovir-EM(Tenofovir Disoproxil Fumarate) and Edurant 25mg(rilpivirine), i dont know if this makes any sense and unfortionally i can't explain more about that but they did tell me this specific type of PeP has very low risk of complications and side effects and so far that's true. I would definately recommend this clinic as they have all the neccassery information and advice concerning HIV and STDs in general. They are more than just an STD clinic though but i'm not sure how broad their treaments are for other specific conditions.
I'll make sure to give some updates here when anything comes up.

2 minutes ago, SoNowWhat said:

You most certainly can be tested for HIV right now because maybe you had it before you met the girl? Your healthcare worker will most certainly give you an antigen test which needs about 10 days after exposure for results but can sometimes be sooner, but you will need further tests later on. If you can contact the person and are able to speak rationally, honestly, and politely it is advisable. Possibly she knows her status to be negative. Possibly she is positive and on effective medication and therefore unable to pass on the virus. As for PEP that ship has probably sailed, the side effects you mentioned are extremely rare, usually the worst is some feeling of nausea the first few days, but usually there are no side effects. As for your worry about a few side effects I don't see how that could possibly be worse than becoming HIV positive. Now with modern pharmaceuticals HIV positive people do live normal natural healthy lives  and are soon unable to transmit the virus to anyone else, however the stigma and false information  attached to it are still quite severe. Good luck to you the odds are well in your favor of being perfectly fine.

Yea you're right about being tested for previous infections but i'm not too concerned about this as i've always been very carefull up until a few days ago. I'm really just worried about this specific interaction. I've been tested for a bunch of other stuff not so long ago and the results have been negative. With "the ship has probably sailed", do you mean the scare of side effects? Thanks for your reply!

40 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

I dunno mate usually i do nothing just only act on the symptoms if any.

Why u taking antibiotics treatments without even being sure of the necessity? First take a bloodtest that covers all STD including HIV then act on that now ur just blowing away money that u could spend on condoms instead.

Simply because there's no cure yet for HIV, PeP is the only way to prevent the possible infection. The bloodtest that would show me if i have HIV or not would just inform me that i have it, if i do, and i'd just be crying without anything i can do about it. I don't feel like having sex so much right now lol, no condoms needed. Also my insurance is going to cover the costs. So far my scenario is looking decent when i think about how stupid i've been.

29 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

Whilst HIV may be your big worry, remember there are other STDs out there and because Ladyboys tend to be quite promiscuous, they could well have contracted one of the other STDs which if left untreated can be equally devastating.  Go get a blood test at a hospital and just say you want a test of STDs.  As medical professionals, they will not judge you and will carry out the tests efficiently.

The only test i could take now was for Hepatitis B, and they took blood for that today. For other STD's there's nothing i can do right now, testing would be useless. I am weiry for STD's though yea and i'll take testing and possible action if neccassery as soon as i can. But right now, today, i've done everything i could when it comes to testing and medication according to the clinic.

25 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I forgot to mention, when you take PeP the accuracy of blood test can be affected. Need to wait until some time after completion of the PeP for testing.

Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

At the clinic they told me i can take the test shortly after i finish the PeP, i'll make sure to ask them again in 4 weeks when the time comes as to how realiable the test would be. Even though it doesn't matter much. If i contracted HIV from this and my PeP somehow fails, which is apprently a chance of 1 in a million (these two factors combined), ill have HIV and be f*d for life anyway. All i can do now is finish my PeP treatment and get tested a couple times after to see if i'm clear of everything.

12 minutes ago, jamiejoel said:

Ok... stop messing around. Go and get prep. You will take the tablets for 30 days, the worst scenario is you will have a few bad dreams. For some people there is a reaction, but then you stop taking them and go back to the doctor.

For HIV they can tell straight away now, it is not a 90 day thing any more. Prep will avoid you worrying and its a few thousand baht.

The problem with STD's are they allow HIV to piggyback on the STD to make it easier for the active partner to get HIV. Normally it is harder for the active partner, but if either partner has an STD, for example herpes, it can make the infection pass quicker.

I advise all people if you have had an unprotected sex encounter, go on to PREP. Don't sit there weighing up the chances of getting HIV, you might be the unlucky one. 

I have advised and used PREP before, after 1 month, it's over and you live to learn better until next time.....

I did mate, i just took my first PeP(PReP is something you take before possible exposure) pills a few hours ago and will be taking them for 28 days no matter what symptoms i get, unless my kidney fails or something but i also took a bloodtest this morning to check my kidney, they will send me the result tonight and i should be good to go. The PeP nowadays, or atleast the one they gave me here is apparently not that intense when it comes to side effects so i'll make sure to finish it to have my risk as low as possible. And yea again, the STD part apart from HIV and Hepatitis will have to come later, there's no test that i can do now that will show me anything.

32 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

So tell us how was the sex?

Lol, i feel mostly digusted when i think about it, i can't believe i did something like this. I'll keep it at that. I've started the PEP treatment today and feel alot better about everything overall. I let them do some other bloodtests while i was at it and in a couple of weeks i'll do the whole damn package of all STD tests out there. I want to get this all over with a.s.a.p., just forget it about it and never do something stupid like it again. The things i read online are very exaggurated on alot of websites and i got overly paranoid. At the clinic they gave a really good overview of everything and i bombarded them with questions because i've been so paranoid and scared to take medication. In the end i've been told there's very few people who actually get side effects from PEP, atleast the kind they gave me, even the lady helping me used it and told me it was fine and i don't have to be worried. So far i feel a very very light dizzyness but honestly not worth mentioning and i feel something in my stomach, but nothing uncomfortable. If anyone is interested i can give some updates the coming weeks on how it's going. They also told me the first day this is common (some dizzyness and stomach aches), but after i'll probably feel the same as always. Also taking the PCR in 2 weeks is not that usefull and mainly for peace of mind, they suggested i just take the regular test after i finish the PEP treatment in 4 weeks to get a more usefull result. After that the last thing to do is take one more test in 3 months and i'll be good if everything turns out negative. I'm pretty sure this is all i can do right now and the best course of action i could have taken. For the STD part i'll need to have some patience and see if i get any symptoms the coming days/weeks and like i said before i'll take every test there is when i get back home to make sure i'm okay. Again, thanks for all the replies!

2 hours ago, worgeordie said:

It could have been worse,he/she could have also robbed you,

regards worgeordie

Yea that's true, i was lucky to just be able to go home with all my stuff.

Thats all right, i'll ignore those worthless comments. I feel incredibly stupid for my actions and it's by far the stupidest thing i've done in my life. Overall i'm doing great and i'll have to deal with this in the best way i can. It's funny how 2 years ago i joked at my friend for being attracted to a ladyboy and now here i am lol, im still amazed when i think about it. Anyway i've been reading up and i've been in contact with the European emergency line, they took my information and will consult my health insurance. Luckily i'm very well insured including for international stuff so i hope they can cut some of my costs for this endavour. They've been very helpfull and so have most of you and i feel a lot calmer now after being able to eat some and being better informed. After your advice i decided not to go looking for the ladyboy and just try to calm down and rest and keep my focus on my travels. Also i contacted the clinic to come by tomorrow again to start the PEP treatment for peace of mind and to prevent any nasty future scenario's. Even if its only for 2 weeks until i can get the PCR test done and hopefully get a negative result so i can stop taking medication, i'm overall really against any type of chemical medication. Again thanks for everyone's help and support, i needed it! Any additional tips or information is more than welcome. For now i have a pretty clear plan on what to do.

3 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Expect and lot of judgement and negative comments from perfect people.

Just part of being on TV.

Thanks for your support, much appreciated.

Just now, chippendale said:

Why would you believe anything a ladyboy tells you? The naivety.

 

Get yourself tested ASAP.

Any information could be usefull and i can try to be very objective with judging her honesty. The problem is that the first chance for testing myself is in 4 weeks, aka when it's too late. There is no point in testing now.

Thanks for your replies. There was no blood and i only gave anal sex, i did not recieve any. There was no lube but a condom before so i guess a tiny bit, it did not feel uncomfortable and it was short. From what im reading so far and what they told me at the clinic the chances are indeed very slim and i'm a little bit calmed down. I've been reading alot about the PEP treatment and i'm torn on wether i should do it, i'll have to decide tonight so i can start it within about 30 hours if i go early tomorrow. The side effects i read about are kinda different from some sources but overall it seems the newer form of PEP is not so intense when it comes to side effects, some people have none at all. I'm just slightly worried about being here alone and maybe feeling sick and having no one to look after me (i read stuff about blindness, hallucinations, dizzyness and very intense headaches), this makes me not want to do it. Also because i'm trying to  get fit and a month of illness will be sh*t. I guess it's nothing compared to the possible long term effects if i have indeed contracted something but i'll have to think about it. The lady at the clinic stating a 0.1 % chance of contracting makes me want to take the risk, my gut says i'll be okay but i'm not sure. I'll have a stressfull night deciding.

Hi everyone,

I am really looking for some peace of mind as last night i had a very drunk encounter with a ladyboy. I already went to the clinic and have been given a bunch of information on risks. For now ill leave the STD part since that is not my main concern but right now i'm scared about contracting HIV. It was in chiangmai and the ladyboy is not a regular sex worker but someone hanging out on the street. I was atleast able to ask her how sexually active she was and she told me she's been with only 2 other guys(which i obviously don't know if it's true). She gave a blowjob and i gave anal sex, eventually also without a condom. At the clinic, and on the internet i've seen the risk is about 0,1 - 0,62% of contracting the virus in my specific case, if she carries the virus ofcourse. I'm mainly just looking for people to talk to and maybe some advice as i really don't want to tell anyone i know yet but i'm also slightly freaking out. My plan is to find her tonight and try to get more information pertaining her activity and maybe find out if she's been tested. I also suggested to the clinic to bring her over and have her tested to see if shes clean or not because it's gonna be a while before i can get tested (1 month). I got information about PeP but this sounds pretty intense and i'm doubting if i should get into this. I have to decide within 72 hours. I hope someone here can talk to me.

Kind regards.