Farangwithaplan

English name is Pomello. It is related to the grapefruit. But you should find what you are looking for with a web search.

Why not see a doctor first if worst comes to worst?

Consider the mask as your own personal stockpile of virus. Be very vigilant in your disposal of the mask, change it regularly as per guidelines and every time you touch it wash your hands for 20 seconds.

Because if you don't follow rigid and stringent guidelines your chance of self infection is high if you do believe so many asymptomatic people are around.

There is a hospital near Ministry of Public Health that was offering tests for about 2000 baht when this first started. When their beds got full the price jumped substantially.

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

Crazy comment, so in your opinion, the world should punish the Chinese population for the wrong doings of their masters.

Not saying I agree with the sentiment, but punishing a population is generally what international sanctions of any kind do. Are you okay with the sanctions the west currently have with North Korea, Iran, Syria, Russia and on and on?

1 hour ago, jacob29 said:

 

 

It's pretty clear by now the WHO has got a lot wrong. Remember their advice 'no need to avoid travel', issued early February? Whoops.

 

The short answer for sanitary re-use is don't re-use. Single use, else boil in water for the cloth type masks. Since masks aren't in sufficient supply, single use is not practical. In practice, assuming you don't touch all over the inside of the mask, why would removing it safely and hanging it somewhere, increase odds of transmission later? You can re-use with a bit of care, without increasing the odds of viral transmission greatly - to suggest otherwise flies in the face of logic. What's the mechanical difference between wearing it for 8 hours, versus wearing it 2 hours daily with correct donning.. unless you think something magical happens when it is removed? Which is to say, leave it in sun for 2-3 days and your odds of it still being a transmission vector are likely to be very, very low. It survives less than 24 hours on cardboard, and less than 72 hours on pretty much all surface types. That's not very robust scientific guidance, and you would be right to say that's not good enough in the absence of superior alternatives - but there are no superior alternatives. 'Nothing' has not been demonstrated to be a superior alternative, that's why I'm asking for your evidence to demonstrate it's worse than nothing, as it would seem that's where the burden of proof lies.

 

So you believe the majority of Thais are actually doing that? That is the whole premise of my point.

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

Your the one who had  blind faith (with out education) in the WHO ---who most of us knew were lying

 

You had no idea they were or are lying. That is your pure bias. If It wasn't bias you would give facts to back your statement.

4 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

Here is that new CDC guidance recommending wearing face masks:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

 

Soon it'll just be our little band of angry Thaivisa posters arguing against the obvious.

Are you suggesting me being angry? Not at all. And I have said from the very start that if and when WHO change their stance, I will be straight onto following them.

But some people have been saying that it is just 'common sense' that masks are better. But it not just common sense. There are much deeper aspects of wearing masks, that I have previously noted and Richard_Smith237 again noted in his post prior to yours.

Blind faith without education can be harmful. There are always unintended consequences. If Who change their stance, it will prove right some people despite their blind ignorance. I would like you to play the ball and comment on the negatives of mask wearing instead of copping out and playing the man. Do you have that capacity instead of just offering cop out sound bites?

10 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Well yes but the drug has been on the market and approved for 30 years for human consumption.

Yes, it has. But as Monomial mentioned, what happens in a lab with just cells in a petri dish is very different to what happens in the body. But it is promising. People might see these results and put more funding toward it and get closer to human trials.

There needs to be a trial to demonstrate this drug makes a real difference in humans for this virus.

10 hours ago, jacob29 said:

I have a paper demonstrating the efficacy of masks, but before I post it - I want you to provide me a study demonstrating the efficacy of masks drops below 'no mask wearing' with incorrect use.

Not a paper but guidance from WHO. Who I tend to trust over certain Health ministers of certain Asian countries based on what I have seen so far. Are you suggesting WHO is wrong and have read literature incorrectly? If so, this is a very important thing indeed.

You seem to avoided countering my concerns of sanitary mask usage amongst the population? Is that because you agree with my concerns or not?

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

8 hours ago, rabas said:

Ok, you like analogies (I think you must to suggest the above)

 

How about an analogy for a mask that is guaranteed to block 95% of all particles the size of a virus  and up to 100% of all small droplets that contain the vast majority of the virus particles released by people.

 

Now you and a friend get into a frequently used lift and go up 20 stories breathing residual air from previous passengers. Your friend wears this mask and you don't.  On exiting the lift, you have roughly a 100 times or greater probability of getting COVID-19 that your friend. 

 

 

I wasn't aware it was proven that residual air was so dangerous. As I have already stated, if the leading experts such as WHO suggest to wear masks, I'm all for it. Until then, I am not going to be a burden on the health supplies.

So you have made that point, great. Are you confident the friend will safely sanitize after taking off the mask?

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

He may be able to spell it though 

Yes, I do tend to make errors when typing on a phone. Good of you to notice.

8 hours ago, tropo said:

No laws have been broken. You missed the last paragraph:

 

"Under international law, a state might refuse access to its ports for a ship that poses a serious and unacceptable safety, environmental, health or security threat to it. A pandemic would no doubt count in this regard."

I read about international law. But I asked about maritime law, which was noted in the paragraph above the one you quoted. Hence my question.

2 hours ago, RocketDog said:

No facts to quote. 

Common sense. You see it or you don't. 

What a naive response. You don't know, you just an inkling that masks are better. Many things in life are counter intuitive.

Until facts are out there people should follow professional advice.

2 hours ago, RocketDog said:

A dam with holes in it is better than no dam. 

 

Just like a chainsaw getting picked up by the wrong end is still better than not picking up a chainsaw at all, eh?

But your dam analogy is wrong. It is not taking into account the whole story. To have your dam analogy correct it would need to have the variable for the virus. How about:

A dam with holes in it that is also getting poison tipped into it in unknown quantities is better than no dam.

Now that is an apt analogy. Good luck to your farm animals drinking from that dam with holes in it.

2 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Mask maintenance and use is another matter. Don't deflect the conversation.

Of course how a mask gets used is central to the point of whether masks should be used or not. Because people need to put on an take off a mask. People need to be educated in how to do that correctly - or is that just common sense, too?

Because from the way I have seen people interact with their own mask over the years I have been in asia is very concerning. For you to simply ignore that and claim I am trying to deflect the subject is astounding.

Do you really believe Thais, who were already in tough economic times before this outbreak, will bother to continue buying fresh masks and replace them at designated times? Do you really think they will dispose of them in a safe manner or throw them on a table?

What will they do when they eat? Will they follow correct procedure by lifting the mask, sanitizing their hands, eat, then replace mask and sanitize again?

And what about when they want to pick their nose, which is a very common trait in Thailand?

By the way, without looking it up, can you tell me how long each of the different common masks should be worn before they are to be replaced?

I hope you are safe, too. I just hope for your sake, your blind assumptions don't get you sick inadvertently.

12 hours ago, fhickson said:

its better then nothing

And where are the facts to back up your statement?

How do you sanitize yourself after you touch the mask? How are you disposing of the mask and how often are you changing the mask?

same logic:

Countries that consume olive oil have high death rate.., What can be the only possible conclusion?

6 hours ago, kenk24 said:

 

I wear it so that others will not feel uncomfortable or in danger as they do not know me or know if I am sick or not... 

and you can be commended for that. That important aspect of making others feel comfortable is important. But that had nothing to do wit the post I replied to. The post I replied to is taking hearsay and trying to pass it off as fact. Whether that hearsay becomes fact or not is not the point. Right now it is unsubstantiated ramblings.

If it is proven right in time, then we must adjust. But don't let crazy unfounded theories take over rational thought..

But how many times have you touched your hand on that mask. The same mask that is now a filter for all the pathogen that come into play with it? How do you clean tat mask and then how do you disinfect yourself after handling that mask?

7 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

"He said he read on the TV forum masks do nothing."

 

NCC, I've always considered you a person of reason and science. Until there is reason for all people to wear masks, why is it important? People coughing and potentially spraying fluids obviously wear a mask. But all the population?

Please juxtapose your weather science to medicine for a minute.

2 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

If wearing a mask is prevention of covid then the people wearing them would be protected from the ones who aren't right?

 

No.

2 hours ago, mngmn said:

Would more effective if the mask wearing countries improved their basic hygiene,  refrained from eating wild animals and stopped lying to the rest of the world whenever they have a public health crisis.

 

Then no one would have to wear masks ????

I wasn't aware that Japan, being a high percentage mask wearing country, was a big wild animal eater... Care to elaborate?

8 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

Now even the "experts" have done a u-turn but to save face are breaking the news slowly rather than admit they were wrong all along.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52126735

 

Feel free to continue making a fool of yourself by denying what was obvious all along though.

I believe what facts say. If the facts state that masks work, I will happily use them and follow the guidelines.

That is the ways science works. If we were using your theories about things being "obvious" we would probably be arguing about how this disease is travelling in the ether.

You are a poster boy for the Dunning Krueger effect. And sadly by its very definition you are oblivious to it.

5 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

But countries where most people do wear face masks seem to be doing a better job of reducing infections than those where most people don't.

So you are taking one aspect of very complex Asian lifestyle and assuming that is the sole reason for lack of infection. Correlation does not imply causation.

There are a multitude of differences in Asian cultures that are experiencing less current infections that cultures that aren't. But you seem to be ignoring all other differences and focusing on the one thing that is front and centre.

By your logic I could declare that countries that eat the most short grain rice have the least infections. I could also declare that countries that consume the most olive oil per capita get the most virus - but I'd be wrong.

Why would I be wrong? Italy, Spain and America go through a metric crapload of olive oil and they have the most infections. How is that logic different to your logic on masks?

6 hours ago, Chazar said:

well  at  least  he  mentioned  thai  tourists  but  why  not Everyone? maybe  locals are  different and  immune to viruses

You are aware that English is not the official language of Thailand, right? Did it even occur to you there might be loss via translation.

You can't use simple punctuation but you are critical of a translation. Seems rich.