FarangTraveler

For reference:

Fish Tank Granuloma Caused by Mycobacterium marinum in Two Aquarists: Two Case Reports
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3874340/

Necrotizing Soft Tissue Infection Occurring after Exposure to Mycobacterium marinum
"Cutaneous infections caused by Mycobacterium marinum have been attributed to aquarium or fish exposure after a break in the skin barrier. In most instances, the upper limbs and fingers account for a majority of the infection sites."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254079/

Mycobacterium marinum Infection of Adult Zebrafish Causes Caseating Granulomatous Tuberculosis and Is Moderated by Adaptive Immunity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1695491/

Mycobacterium marinum infection in fish and man: epidemiology, pathophysiology and management; a review
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01652176.2018.1447171

1999 Emergence
"Although most diseases due to pathogenic mycobacteria are caused by Mycobacterium tuberculosis, several other mycobacterial diseases—caused by M. ulcerans (Buruli ulcer), M. marinum, and M. haemophilum—have begun to emerge"

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/5/3/99-0307_article

2011
Teenager May Lose Hand to Rare, Flesh-Eating Fish Tank Bacteria
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/flesh-eating-fish-tank-bacteria-lead-teens-amputation/story?id=13837034

On 9/2/2015 at 5:26 AM, cryan said:

Thanks everyone for your comments,

My Girlfriend went to Immigration in Bangkok and had paperwork filled out for appeal,

She had with her my Current Work Contract plus other paperwork, hopefully will get a response in the next week or 2.

I have never over stayed my allotted time in thailand and i dont have any shady background.

there was a lot of things i could have and should have done on the night but hindsight is a great thing,

when your awake and travelling 18-20 hours, after having a few drinks on the plane tiredness creeps in and things get missed,

i have pasted what was stamped in passport

there isn't a Thai embassy in Ireland only a Consulate, i can apply for Tourist Visa in through Consulate in Ireland, but will do when i haven Passport,

its annoying as i was planning on coming back to Ireland on 13th this month to apply for new passport as i had only 2 pages free in current passport.

I have Iraqi visa in passport and easily seen i have from stamps dates in entered and left that country

Hi. I looked in your posts to see what ever became of this and I noticed you made it back into Thailand eventually. I'm curious if this appeal ever went through and was approved or if you just returned without the appeal being appoved got in anyways. Can you please share any details you might have as I also received a stamp similar to yours (though my denial was due to lack of funds as I had no cash on me other than $100, only in bank account) and wondering how long I have until i can return to Thailand. Currently living in Cambodia where I never thought I'd end up staying longer than a day in and not happy here. Thanks

14 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

says my reason for being denied

so staying for 6 months on a tourist visa ( 2 of them>?)

there MUST be lots more to this story,i know lots of people traveling that get 3,4,5 back to back tourist visas with no problem by using different embassies,

Eve Phnom Pehn will issue 3 in a row

 which border?

 

You may consider me a skeptic, but new posters always raise suspicion ..

I know at least 15 people that have been doing back to back tourist visas for upwards of a year. One of them got a red warning stamp from Vientiane saying they will issue one more but this would be the last so he recently switched to a retirement visa. There's not much more to this story. I wasn't denied a tourist visa, I was denied entry on a Visa on Arrival after 2 back to back tourist visas. Had I gone to Phnom Penh to apply for a Tourist visa, or had I gone to Laos just for a Visa on Arrival, then chances are I would not be having this problem. Everybody I know is shocked that this happened to me because many of them have been in country longer than I was and have not had problems because they have mostly avoided Poi Pet. I am really kicking myself right now for choosing to do a crossing at this particular place and I feel that this is the only reason this happened.

I said that my situation was identical to the original poster's situation (KC) as she said she was denied for lack of funds as well. I did not have that much cash on me or proof of an onward ticket, which the guy asked for. He basically said that since I stayed in Thailand 6 months on two back to back Tourist Visa's, I would now need to have 10,000 baht on me and proof of an onward ticket. I said I would have to go to an ATM and buy the ticket online. He told me to stay one night in Poi Pet, then come back the next day and try again but "there will be a different officer here tomorrow and it's at their discretion".  I returned the next day with cash in hand (over 33,000 baht on me) and onward ticket, and was denied entry again now as the officer just kept repeating "I don't believe you. You say you want to visit Thailand but why you not go home to USA. Why you stay in Thailand so long. You belong in USA. That is your home." It just simply came down to how they felt at that moment. She called the airline to verify my ticket out of the country was valid, then still denied me. I don't even know why she verified that. It was almost like they were more interested in trying to catch me in a lie than maybe giving me then maybe giving me the benefit of the doubt (hey kinda like some regs here right?). There didn't seem to be any reasoning with them and I have a feeling even if I had the money and the onward ticket on the first day, the first man may have asked for some other requirement I couldn't fulfill. There was a Filipino guy in front of me who had also been in Thailand for some time and they were telling him the exact same thing. Both of them kept mentioning that I should just go to Siem Reap and fly in to Bangkok "You should not have a problem then, go fly".

So let's not keep playing this game where someone posts something just to get information out there, then all the regs on here start casting doubt on that person's story. You're suspicious of me. Ok. I'll accept that. But I'm not here to explain myself to you guys or to be judged. I'm simply giving my account for others to find when they google information about the Poi Pet border, in order to warn them. If you don't believe it, then so be it. I'm not here for you. Hopefully what happened to me will prevent others from making this mistake of crossing at the Poi Pet border.

I think next people on here will start asking if I'm the hippie type. I'm a clean cut American guy and I've seen people often ask on here if something happened due to someone looking like Khao San hippies. I was neatly dressed and shaven and polite and friendly. They just seem intent on not allowing anyone to cross here and the requirements and expectations seem to vary depending on which officer you get.

Now I am finished here. I have put my information out there and you have the full complete story. I don't have any more time for this game where people doubt what I say and I return to try to clarify for them. You know what happened. Pick this apart if you will but I will not respond again as you have everything you need to draw a picture of exactly what happened to me.

Thank you so much Gulfsailor! Very useful as well as that person's story.

15 hours ago, lkv said:

 

Welcome to the ThaiVisa forum as a fresh member for 19 hours.

 

We are glad you took the time to prevent us.

 

Now that we are prevented, we'd like to thank you for your input.

Not relevant at all. I've been here since 2006 under other nicks (so now we can deviate and change this whole conversation into the usual off topic where the regs start casting doubt on the newbie and questioning if he's a troll when he has no reason to troll. I know how this forum operates so let's not go there.)

I know the real reason why he's asking for that and it's because he doubts what I said (great, now we've deviated, as usual). Nothing else is accomplished by him seeing what I already said it says. I typed what it says word for word. There's no other reason for me to sit here and take all these pics and load them into microsoft paint and edit out every signature and date and time stamp just to appease his request. It says what I said it says and I typed it word for word. I am not a liar and I care enough for people to have the full scoop so I typed every single thing it says carefully. So what else is there to see? The white on the paper? I assure you, the paper is white.

14 hours ago, BritTim said:

Could you please post a copy of this form, and the stamp in your passport, blanking out your passport number, and any other personally identifiable information.

I'd rather not. They both have writing all over them that can be identified by the person that wrote them. Not trying to be identified myself if they comb these boards. Just know this happened and I'm trying to help others to get a clearer picture. You have all the information you need. That's what it says. A picture won't change that.

If anybody knows how I can appeal through the Interior of Ministry, please let me know. I have about 12 hours or so to do so and can't find anything about appeals in Google or on their website. I wonder if the 48 hours was set up to prevent you from basically making an appeal as it could take longer than that just to figure out how.

I think this does count as a deportation, despite both Aranyaprathet officers telling me to go to Siem Reap and try to fly in. This website about Thai deportation lists some of the legal clauses that were mentioned in this letter ?
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-deportation-of-the-aliens-sections-53-56/

16 hours ago, BritTim said:

Did you get a copy of this "expulsion form"? Did they put a stamp in your passport indicating deportation?

Yes they gave me a copy and the stamp in my passport basically says my reason for being denied. But whether it says deportation or not, I don't know. That's mainly what I'm asking here. Was I deported or is denial different? I think that's what is up for debate and I'm not sure if any of us on here truly know.

The form definitely says expulsion on it multiple times. The passport stamp is in Thai and I had a Thai friend translate. She said it says that I was denied for staying in Thailand for 6 months on Tourist visas. It's a stamp with a space where they write notes and that's what he wrote in there for the reason.

I typed out what the letter says:

A Legal Notice to the Aliens
Subject: Notification of the Expulsion: (My name)
By virtue of the provisions under Sections 19, 22 and 54 of the Immigration ACT, B.E. 2522 the Immigration Authorities taking the opportunity to notify you that:
-You are prohibited from entering the Kingdom or an alien who staying in the Kingdom without the permission as required by the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522, Section 12 () () or Section 54, Section 81, or Section 82 for.........
You shall be expelled from the Kingdom of Thailand in accordance with the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522.
You must be resided at_______________always, and be ready fo the expulsion which shall be set up by the authorities at any moment. Any offense, evasion, escaping or leaving the premise without permission is forbidden.
Objection to this action may be done by making an appeal to the Minister of Interior or to the Immigration Commission. Such appeal must be submitted within 48 hours after this legal notice has been received. The aliens who are prohibited from entering the Kingdom of Thaland under Section (1) or (10) are not allow to appeal.

_________________ (Immigration Officer's signature)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Backside of Paper)

Acknowledgement of the Expulsion Order

The legal notice number ________________________ dated _____________ subjected the notifaction of expulsion has been received on at____minutes. The notification is clearly understood.

Signature of Receiver _______________ (My signature)

On 6/27/2018 at 5:30 PM, Suradit69 said:

Not that it matters much, but you weren't deported if you hadn't officially entered the country.

Are you 100% sure about this? Any information about this is helpful. Because what happened to KC at Poi Pet happened to me in every detail, and they made me sign a form which I'm sure she had to sign which says I was "expelled from the Kingdom of Thailand" and uses the word "expulsion" multiple times on the form. Definition of deported is "expulsion" so this has me very depressed if maybe she and I were "deported" after all. They took my picture of me holding this form up with passport in hand as if I was a criminal and I really had no clue I was doing anything wrong and couldn't just go to an ATM nearby to get the cash and buy onward ticket on my phone right then and there.

I totally understand where KC is coming from because Thailand, like to many people here, has been my passion for a long time. I'm American by the way, and when I finally saved up enough money to visit on tourist visas this is what happened to me. I'm coming from a place that has more Thai people living there than anywhere else in the world outside of Thailand,  but yet was treated like this here and yes it does put a damper on my feelings a bit for the country now. I would like to return someday too but this kind of changes my entire outlook on life after having dreamed of settling and retiring here one day.

I'd like to know if we're 100% sure about this not being a proper deportation and how they differ. Expulsion leads me to believe that I technically was in Thailand at the Border Immigration office.

This happened to me recently. I had two tourist visas back to back. One which I received in the United States. Then another which I received in Laos 3 months later. I did the 90 day extension on both.  The Thai immigration website states people from the United States are "entitled" to two 30-day visa's on arrival per year when crossing a land border. This word entitled is what threw me off and I should not have assumed I still had these at my disposal and should have read the small print, if there was any as it obviously comes with a caveat.

I was denied at Poi Pet/Aranyaprathet and turned back around and yes this officer stamped my passport, then had me led out by someone working outside who handed my passport over to a Cambodian citizen, who scammed me in order to get my Cambodian departure stamp cancelled as he walked me over to the Cambodian Arrivals area in his flower shirt and had my passport in his possession the entire time. It was a nightmare and still isn't over for me yet.

The Thai immigration officer told me I could try again the next day after I've secured a ticket for an onward flight and can show I have 10,000 baht on me. He said it's all up to whichever officer I speak to. I returned the next day with all the criteria ready (more than 20,000 baht as proof) and was denied again by a different officer despite all this. She did not stamp my passport the way he had and she did not send me with a scammer over to Cambodian Arrivals. She treated the situation as if I was lying about the first guy telling me to try again and thought I was trying to be sneaky. But luckily she did not stamp my passport with the bad stamp in the end, but not sure if that makes a difference now that I have one already. So it depends on who you get.

They both had told me I'd have no problem flying in, but I actually have a health condition right now which prevents it and now that he stamped my passport something tells me I'd run into problems when arriving anyways. I know two people from South Africa that had many runs in their book and flew in and were detained and had to fly back out as they were denied entry. That was without a stamp.

Another person I knew had been doing runs for over a year, and got a red stamp in at another nearby country warning that this was his last one and telling others not to do it again for him. I was begging for that stamp on the second try at Poi Pet the next day as I just wanted to return to see a doctor at Bumrungrad and to get my stuff out of my hotel. I was then going to take a train to Malaysia and stay there for 6 months without needing a visa, so the dreaded red "first and last warning" stamp would have been OK in my situation.

Whatever you do, do not go to Poi Pet or Aranyaprathet even if you think you might be OK. It's not worth the risk. I know this was lengthy but hopefully this helps people make better decisions than what I did by going to this particular border.