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19 minutes ago, jkthai said:

 

So your resident for tax then, living in serviced apartments  shouldnt be an issue then 

6 minutes ago, jkthai said:

It seems it makes things a lot simpler when completing the forms if you can provide a Thai TIN ,

but appears a bit more difficult obtaining one in some areas of the country.

 

My problem is I spend a lot of time in Serviced apartments , so have no permanent residence as such , would expect if \I applied to the tax office they would make that an issue

 

Any one got any alternative suggestions

Are you in Thailand more than 180 days a year ?...if your not, you cannot be resident for tax purposes in Thailand 

On 11/29/2017 at 4:50 PM, higg1279 said:

We're slightly digressing here, however according to the Isle Of Man Bank (telecom this week) they do not share any Bank Acct information with Thailand, at present, as there is no agreement in place, to report parties who reside in Thailand and have Bank Acct held with them, to the Thai Tax Authorities. 

 

Therefore, if you complete the Tax Residency Application and certify you are living in Thailand, with a Thai Tax ID No, that will satisfy their requirement of self certification of living in Thailand for Tax purposes. If you don't, you maybe subject to further questions, like other people on this forum. Some have presented a reasonable defence and no more questions asked, others not so fortunate and been subject to the third degree of interrogation.

Even if they signed the agreement, the IOM would only share information of Thai Citizens holding accounts in the IOM, not foreigners, residing in Thailand, on the other hand Thailand would provide info of say all British citizens holding accounts in Thailand. The IOM will report accounts based on the passport the account was opened with, therefore British citizens, residing in Thailand with accounts in the IOM will be reported to the UK tax man

On 11/29/2017 at 3:55 PM, userabcd said:

From KPMG: At present, Thailand can provide and exchange financial information upon the request by other countries through the exchange of information clause in double tax treaties.

I think your getting confused with "can provide" infomation and the OECD agreement where 51 countries (maybe more now) will automatically share mass data of bank accounts and personal details of each countries citizens who have signed the agreement

Thailand is not a signatory to this agreement currently to  automatically share mass data, but per the quote above will share info if so requested on specific individuals 

2 minutes ago, Took said:

''You're supposed to get your non-B (extension) revoked at the

immigration office where you do the extension with a termination

letter from your work before you leave Thailand"

 

My question is if I can get my Non-B (extension) cancelled with a

termination letter at the airport before you leave the country.

 

Thank you.

Well if your supposed to do it at the immigration office where you do the extension, why are you asking can you do it at the airport then...your suppose to go to the to the immigration office then...

Given you mention extension, i assume extension of stay ?...ergo you dont have a B visa anyway

If your not coming back just leave and let it expire 

14 minutes ago, Andrew23 said:

I just wanted to stay in Thailand and it was the only possible way at that time. For the last 2 years, I considered Elite visa or marriage visa which would be absolutely legal. Unfortunately, I was too lazy and underestimated the consequences. Overall Thai immigration policy gave me an illusion that it is not strict enough. 

Well done with respect to your honesty, the average farang on here would be blaming immigration or slagging off the Thai people, blaming everyone except themselves..

22 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

OP…. I would confirm what several other TV members have already advised you.   The stamp in your passport indicates that you were denied entry, and this is very different from being deported.

 

Several members have also suggested that you obtain a new passport.  Doing so will have little, or no, effect on you obtaining a visa as Embassies/Consulates are only interested in the fact that you have supply the correct documentation to support your application and the fee.

 

FYI – Embassies/Consulates currently do not have access to the Immigration System.

 

Please bear in mind that getting a new passport will not ‘wipe your slate clean’ with Thai Immigration.  When you next enter the Kingdom and the Immigration Officer places the photo page of your new passport onto the scanner on his/her desk, the Immigration Computer System will, within a couple of seconds, link your new and previous passport together and the Immigration Officer will then have access to your complete entry/exit history.

 

It should also be remembered that even obtaining a visa prior to arrival does not guarantee that you will be allowed to enter the Kingdom.  The decision to admit you, or deny your entry, is at the discretion of the Immigration Officer.

You are contradicting yourself you know that dont you ?

Why would one be worried about an embassy or consulate accessing the immigration system, if the denied stamp in his passport is not an issue then ? Ergo the stamp in the passport indicates he has already had an issue entering Thailand, so please tell me why the embassy wouldnt question it ?

Given the definitve answers regarding denied entry stamps in passports seems these people must have had a lot of experience being denied entry into Thailand to speak so definitively thats its not a problem from personal experience ? 

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

Getting a new passport isn’t necessary.

 

Embassies/consulates won’t care about a denial stamp. As long as you provide the documents required for the visa being applied for they will happily take your money. 

Are you sure about that ? And confident enough to cover all the OP expenses if he is denied a visa on the basis of that stamp in his passport..for the cost of a new passport is it worth tsking the chance ? 

15 minutes ago, Andrew23 said:

Thai consulate in my home country (Ukraine) doesn't issue non-O marriage visas. Seems, it is possible to make it in other countries, for example, Malaysia or Laos.

 

Do you or someone else here have any experience on issuing this kind of visa outside Thailand?

 

Do they usually require to be a permanent resident in the country to be able to request this kind of visa?

 

Especially considering our marriage certificate wasn't issued in Thailand and I can't provide a statement from a Thai bank despite I still can transfer money to my Bangkok Bank account.

Are you legally married with a marriage certificate ?

Can you put THB 400k in a Thai bank account ?

1. Ditch the passport with entry denied stamp, get a new clean PP

2. Apply for single entry O visa to visit Thai wife

3. Land in Thailand and convert your O visa to extension of stay via THB 400k method in Thailand

4. Report your address to Immigration every 90 days while in country

5. Renew extension of stay based on 400k method, annually

50 minutes ago, Andrew23 said:

The airline's employee who was holding my passport until I boarded onto the plane and who escorted me to the prison's style waiting room was continuously talking about 10 years ban to enter Thailand. He was speaking half Thai/half English and I haven't understood him well enough. I just decided I was blacklisted for 10 years. But I haven't found still any other confirmation of this. I did several checks and all of them confirmed that I am not blacklisted.  What confused me the most is that he advised me to enter Thailand through Lao border.

 

Another detail is that I sad that I am working as a programmer remotely for the foreign company and the officer's reaction was "You are a brave man saying this". That's the last thing I've heard from the officers except "follow there/follow here". But I suppose my "confession" played a critical role since working in Thailand even remotely holding non-immigrant visa is illegal.

 

Why do you think the airline's employee who had a long conversation with the officers regarding my case could say that I am banned to enter Thailand for 10 years?

Airline holding your pp until boarding is nothing usual in this case or infers you have been deported, if you had been formally deported or banned you would know about it - you have been denied entry thats all,

you need to dump your current passport and get a new one and apply for a proper appropriate visa ie an "O" visa your married to a Thai national and want to stay with your wife, once getting the visa, show 400k in a Thai bank account  (you state you have millions in an overseas account, so this should pose little problem)

Get your extension of stay...no more problems 

By the looks of things you were not deported but denied entry - 2 very different things, and in this instance based on the prima facie information presented to the IO, he didnt believe your reason for bring admitted to Thailand and his decision appears valid 

1. Student visa 

2. Being married to Thai woman

3. Stated your operating an overseas business, (from Thailand on supposes ?)

4 intent to stay long term in Thailand - see 2.0

therefore in the IOs eyes you are trying to stay long term in Thailand on the incorrect visa, if your married you could be on a "O" visa, and to stay how are you supporting yourself ?...you must be running a business from Thailand, ergo if no WP you are working illegally 

"I am working as aprogrammer remotely for the foreign company"

55 minutes ago, HampiK said:

I am awaiting further comments, but I guess as long you not paid TAX for working in Thailand there is no chance to obtain PR.

For foreigner male it's not that easy to receive PR. For a foreigner woman it's much easier even to become Thai citizen when married to a Thai male.

All correct other than to state PR and citizenship are not the same thing...PR infers the legal right of abode only 

You can and they will transfer over the stamps from old to new passport or option B carry both passports until your reentry/WP is renewed 

56 minutes ago, MadMuhammad said:

A quick question for anyone that cares to answer. 

 

For those that don’t have the 800K bank deposit or 65K income how do you survive living a comofortable life? 

I only ask as a lot of people I have seen that are bothered by this are quite well along in life ie: late 60’s and up.

 

Considering what I see as essentials: food, health insurance, registration, vehicle insurance, rent (in most cases), entertainment, utilities, medical costs if and when required, dentist, hair cuts, entertainment, back up savings, infrequent travel ie: short breaks, clothing, toiletries, girlfriend/wife, what kind of life are you living. 

 

Genuine and honest question 

On in your question is another question

Define a comfortable life ?...what a comfortable life is to one is borderline poverty to others..

The old debate of living or surviving... i guess those farangs who are surviving border line poverty in Thailand prefer to conduct their sad existance in the sun and warm than the cold and wet of places like Blighty 

31 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The definition of "real, legitimate tourist" in Thailand is:

 - has 20K Baht in cash to show

 - has enough money accessible to afford to live here during their next permitted-stay

 - is not working illegally

 

There is nothing in the law or relevant Police Orders about "Limited to X days per 2 years," as quoted to the OP of another thread.  IOs must cite a specific reason to deny-entry - they cannot just "decide" a person "isn't a tourist." They must show that the visitor is too-poor and/or working-illegally.

 

 

Few from the Western world would come here to work illegally for a fraction of what they could earn legally elsewhere.  This is not like those coming to Western countries - where wages are higher than their nations of origin. 

 

Those few that do work illegally should be easily found and rounded-up, if this was a priority.  To deter such activity, catch violators red-handed, put on trial publicly, sentence to jail, then deport and ban for life.  A show-trial, every now and then, would keep others from attempting to do the same.

Funny your all knowing first statement..LOL...but rubbish  baseless generalisations

i came to work in Thailand many years ago on an after tax uplift of around 30% on my farangland salary..so shows how much you know, for professions that are needed in Thailand, significantly higher salaries than that  of Western countries are availible in Thailand to farangs

2 minutes ago, moe666 said:

If some one is a real tourist with few entry stamps you should have no problem entering at any airport. I have a friend who comes every years with a tourist visa he stays for 6 weeks back home for a year never a problem. No he doesn't get a new passport every year

This is the root of all this..as stated above, i suspect few if any true and legitimate tourists have ever been denied entry into Thailand

I would suggest the so called "tourists" being denied entry are working illegally in Thailand and blagging the system

"I have recently seen a few threads about people being denied entry despite having visas.

This seems a little strange and I was wondering if this could happen to anyone, or if specific conditions have to be met"

Having a visa in hand does not give you the right of entry to a country, only an IO can permit you to enter,

a Visa is an " invitation" only

If the IO (this is for every country in the world BTW) believes you are entering the country for purposes other than what is on your visa or your stated purpose of stay you can be denied entry visa or not 

1 minute ago, onera1961 said:

Split your time between Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Australia, New Zealand, S Korea, Japan, Macau. Good luck to those DNs

If one is doing that certainly a the low levels of income these DNs seem to be talking about, may as well stay in Thailand and pay the fees and taxes for the work permit via these umbrella companies...it will be cheaper than moving around to stay ahead of the tax residency 

21 hours ago, bubba said:

 

Do they? Has anyone ever heard of an immigration waiving the seasoning requirement?

Yes they do a couple of collegues have had waivers for seasoning...for example, if someone who has been on Thai work permit for number of years and wishes to move over to a retirement visa...

immigration can and usually will waive the requirement, certainly if it the company they are working for helps them do the transition to the retirement visa 

On 11/13/2018 at 12:18 PM, jackdd said:

If you take the law literally nearly everything you do in Thailand could be considered work and would be illegal.

But in the recent times the Department of Employment confirmed on several occasions that they don't consider working online (customers abroad, money comes from abroad) as "working in Thailand" so no work permit or specific visa required and you can legally do it while here on a tourist visa. This could of course change in the future, but currently they don't have a problem with it.

And on supposes said DOL gave you a letter/document stating this ?

But yes i agree they wouldnt have an issue with a legimate tourist doing a bit of work on holiday, but the minute someone starts abusing tourists visas to live in Thailand on a "permanent" basis and they are in country more than 180 days p.a. they are now resident in Thailand for tax purposes legally, p

ergo they are not tourist irrespective of the visa class they are abusing..as a legimate tourist will never become legally resident for tax purposes in any country as they are not present in country long enough

Therefore in this circumstance said online workers are working illegally if they are present in Thailand for =>180 days a year

On 11/13/2018 at 12:57 PM, farangchris said:

No you're not allowed to work. The company has nothing to do with the work-permit. You're not allowed to work in Thailand or almost every other country without a valid work-permit.

 

But even if you would be allowed to work: You're still without a Non-B visa ????

 

One of the best examples would be maybe the U.S they're really strict.

I know someone who where rejected at the border, because he said he's also working on his Macbook ????  True story .. 

 

But anyway. So i think in Thailand there's no real other solution then Iglu ... ????

You dont  NEED a non imm B visa for a work permit, if one is married to a Thai national a WP can be issued under the marriage visa as well under a non imm O

On 11/10/2018 at 2:09 PM, ukrules said:

 

Only an idiot would use a service like this and pay themselves 2 million Baht per year through the service with their percentage rates and pay Thai tax on top of that.

 

The logical way would be to pay yourself the bare minimum allowed through invoices to your off shore corporation or maybe even personal invoices.

Ah dont bring good/common sense business practices into this LOL..the DNs think they are the "first" generation to work as "freelancers" "contractors" etc and they know it all...some of us have been have been worked through offshore corps and Ltd companies for best part of 30 years to minimise tax burden ????

"But in my opinion 10k per month just for the visa & work-permit"

..that is cheap if it also includes your tax and social secuity payments..

6 minutes ago, fanjita said:

Sorry, but pure speculation as this has been going on for years.  Don't forget, TiT.

Threats to ban people for overstaying in Thailand was speculated and threatened for many years as well...they got there in the end...never say never