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43 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You should be able to do it that early but that will depend upon your local offices policy.

How long is your planned trip out of the country? It could be done on the last day of your current extension if needed.

Your re-entry permit is valid until that day.

 

The problem is that the work permit office would not accept an application with that type of extension or the original visa you used for entry to the country.

Thank you Joe. I can make arrangements around that. Should have posted here first before I went off on a wild goose chase. 

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Your extension would only be issued until the date hers expires which apparently is the 3rd of October.

Then you would have to apply for another one.

For the piece of mind I can absolutely live with that. In fact, that would be a major improvement. However, can this only be done in the last 30 days? Can I do this with 45 or 44 days remaining which is the acceptable time for for the renewal of my current status, which is no longer a valid option due to the dip in funds. 

One final question, with an extension based on my wife's extension, am I, at some point able to convert to Non Imm B status with the work permit? I was told it almost impossible under my current status. 

16 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Be aware, if you enter as a "tourist ' - without a Non-O type Visa - you will have to first convert this to a Non-O type entry at a local office, which grants 90-days permitted-stay, then you would apply for the 1-year extension in the last 30-days of that Non-O 90-days.  So, it's 2 steps instead of one.

 

If you extended from a Non-imm stay (such as you have now), you avoid the first step.

 

Criminal and Medical are not required for either of these steps, at any office that I have seen reported (what is needed varies by immigration-office).

Thanks Jack. That makes sense to me. 

One of the issues that we have is that 30 day window. We have travel booked that makes it impossible. My only windows is to do it 45 days before the expiry, which is on Tuesday or at a stretch 44 days before my expiry on Wednesday. Then I am travelling across Asia and then Europe on business. My wife and Children will also be out the country. 

It seems that getting on my wife's extension/permission is the way forward for sure and I am going to have to try and do this on Tuesday. 

Interestingly, I spoke to a lawyer a couple of days ago. Explained everything as I have here and they just tutted and gave me no advice that works other than dig deep in my pocket. 

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You got a non immigrant visa (category O) based upon qualifying for a extension of stay based upon retirement and then applied for the extension. That is not a OA visa that can only be applied for at a embassy in your home country or country of legal residence.

Yes. To be honest, I really made a mistake in the begining. I spoke to the wrong agent who over sold me. I have always been uncomfortable with it. 

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

 

You could apply for a extension based upon being a member of your wife's family based upon her extension of stay. You could  change to that extension without leaving the country. You will need a copy your legalized marriage certificate to do the application.

This seems the most logical. We have the marriage certificate, legalised and notorised by the Thai Embassy. Same for the birth certificates. 

My wife's extension does not get renewed until 2 weeks after the expiry of mine. It is guaranteed to be extended. Her work contract will be renewed for two years. Not sure if this means that she will get a 2 year extension. 

If I go to immigration on Tuesday with my wife, her passport, the marriage certicate and apply for the extension based on her extension, will they give me an extension valid until the expiry of her current extension or will they give me a longer extension? Her expiry is actually October the 3rd.

Or am I better to leave it, let mine expire, return on a visitor 30 day and do the extension based on hers once she has renewed? 

Ideally, I would prefer an extension that accurately reflects my situation. This local agent OA really is a rubbish thing.

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If your child is attending school and is on an extension of stay for that reason you could apply for an extension for being their parent. You would need 500k baht in the bank for 90 days to do the application.

I can do this but I need to do this overseas which is a bit more complicated. So I would prefer not to if I can use my wife's. 

I read through all the posts and responses you make Joe. You really know your stuff. Thanks for your service to all us foolish people that don't know how to navigate such things. 

25 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

If applying based on your spouse's Non-B based on family, you would not need the 800K Baht to qualify.  You could get this beginning in the last 30 days of your current permitted-stay.  I don't think you (or your spouse) need to show any money in this case, but someone will correct me if I am wrong.

Wow. That is a game changer. This 'local agent OA' is certainly been a lot of nonsense. It really sounds to me that my best option is to just let the current extension expire, I will be overseas for a month after that anyway, during that time she will have renewed her extension. Her employer has said no problem to add me as a spouse. The earliest she can do the extension is 2 weeks after my extension expires. So can I just come back in on a 30 day visitor and get added to hers? And are there any required documents that I need to bring back with me, such as a proof of no criminal record/medical certificate? 

Thanks for the info 

12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You will not be able to apply for your extension due to the 800k baht not being in the bank for 2 months. A one day  drop below 800k is enough to cause a application not to be accepted so your application will certainly not be accepted.

You are not on an overstay. Not having the money in the bank for the 2 months is does not cause your current extension to be canceled. You can stay until it ends.

You only option is to leave the country to get a single entry non-o visa and then do an application for a extension of stay during the last 30 days of that entry. Or you could do a border hop for a 30 day visa exempt entry or get a single entry tourist visa and then apply a 90 day non immigrant visa (category O) entry at immigration (requirements here https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_80).

You stated your family has their own visas. I assume you mean they have their own extensions that are not based upon yours for being members of your family (aka dependent extensions). 

 

A OA visa cannot be applied for or issued here in the country. You apparently were issued an extension of a non-o visa  entry at immigration.

Thanks for the information.

I am suddenly not that worried. 

I gained the OA and the permission to stay in Thailand. To be honest, I never set out to get the OA but the agent seemed to think that is what I wanted. 

My family got the original visas overseas and then gained the extensions once they arrived. These are official and backed by school and employment. 

The school has offered my the O visa letter and I can also get the spouse visa letter. I can make application overseas with these. 

Also, If I understand correctly what you say, I won't be in the country when my re-entry permit expires. So I can return on the 30 day visitor visa. Then once here I can apply for the extension based on the children's Ed or Wife's B status. Is that correct. 

Reliefed that I am still legal here. Really don't care about this agent OA nonsense. Just been a headache. 

Thanks guys. 

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

I am sure he is inorectly calling a extension of stay based upon retirement a OA visa and does not have a valid one.

My OA was originally gained here in Thailand. My multiple re-entry gained here at the same time. Ubonjoe, you are correct, I have the extension of stay based on retirement. Sorry to confuse the situation by calling it a visa. It is an extension of stay. 

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Ask someone who knows but I think your OA is good for 2 years (with one border run).  Make a border run quick.

I am a regular traveller, have business interests overseas still and travel at least twice a month. I last entered 1 week ago, my OA is the type gained here. It is not valid for 2 years. Maybe 15 months, I am at month 14. Making a border run does not really answer the questions that I have. But thanks anyway. 

Hello, 

Seems that self inflicted dramas come in pairs when your dealing with visas and so forth here and the sage and wonderful uses of this forum can give me answers based on experience and not speculation. I should spend more time on this site for sure. 

I am really worried about the flexibility of the ฿800k in the bank 2 months before application of a Non Imm OA renewal. 

Over the past 9 months I have transfered ฿4.5 million into my bank in Thailand. 

I have ฿ overseas and usually send ฿ 1.5 at a time. I am also overseas a lot and I don't always check my Thailand accounts. 

I have also deposited about ฿1 million in cash. As a frequent traveller, I often carry $10k USD into Thailand and convert that into ฿ at superrich. Getting a better rate than the banks will ever give. 

In the last 9 months I have maintained more than the ฿800,000 minimum, except for a brief 2 week period, two weeks ago when my overseas bank decided to stop the automatic 3 month transfer, without informing me, due to them wanting me to go through security and confirm my address details and confirm that I was not holding US Treasury Bonds. Rather bizarre. 

My OA is up for renewal on Tuesday. In my bank book, that I updated yesterday, you can see that, for a two week period at the begining of May, that my account dipped below the ฿800 threshold and spend 11 days with ฿740,000 thanks to the automatic debiting of my credit card and the non arrival of the ฿1.5 million standing order. 

The account is rectified now, there is more than ฿2 million in the account. 

My whole family is here on thier own visas, not related to mine. So I am not so worried about that side. 

I am very concerned that I may get my renewal rejected on Tuesday due to the ฿60k briefly below the ฿800k requirements, 2 months before application. 

Of course, this problem may not be such a big deal, but in my mind, I am majorly worried, didn't sleep last night.

I mentioned this predicament to my expat neighbour yesterday, he told me that my visa was invalidated the moment that my bank account dropped to ฿740 and that I am now an overstayer and that when I turn up at immigration on Tuesday they may arrest and deport me. I believe he is speculating, that he does not really have this knowledge, but then, you never know. 

If they don't reject it, then I shall put ฿1 million into a 1 year fixed deposit and be done with it. 

I am worried as heck, so anyone that can advise me, give me some hope, let me sleep for a few days, then I will be in your debt forever. 

Thanks. 

4 hours ago, arithai12 said:

Not a problem, I also travelled with old/new passport for a period of time.

Just make sure that when your local office invalidates the old passport (sometimes they do this by stamping "cancelled", sometimes by cutting off chunks of the pages) they leave the pages with the old visa/extension and re-entry untouched.

 

In the UK, they typically cut two corner off the edge of the passport covers. I will make sure that they do the same this time. Thank you for your response. 

17 minutes ago, phuketrichard said:

no problem, just show both passports at check in and immigration

as long as its a valid reentry ur ok

Dont worry about rushing around to get the stamp transferred.   I used 2 passports like this for over 6 months till my extension to stay was coming up for renewal.

Thanks. That is great news. Good to hear that from someone with real experience. I will sleep better tonight. Many thanks. 

Hello, 

After spending hours trying to research this topic and getting nowhere, I thought I should stop wasting my time and post this message here as I know that uses here know exactly what they are talking about. 

We got hit with a couple of badly placed Indonesian entry and exit stamps, as well as a few of painful full page visas from Cambodia, Laos and China.

I have just found this out and we do not have the time to get it renewed by the Bangkok passport VFS, which means that we won't get the letter requesting immigration to move visas/permits to the new passport. 

So we are renewing the UK passport in the UK in June, using the 24 hour service in London Victoria. 

She will be returning to Thailand with her Non Imm B re-entry permit, valid until the end of the year, in the old passport and travelling on a new passport. 

Will immigration at Suvarnabhumi Airport accept the Non-Imm B Re-entry permit in the old passport and stamp her in with the expiry date of the current Non Imm B Re-entry permit? 

Our plan would then be to go to the local immigration the next morning and get the Non-Imm B Re Entry Permit moved to the new passport. As well as sorting out the other details. 

Another concern is that we only booked a one way tickets, this time flying back on Emirates. Will Emirates allow her to board the flight without an onward ticket? Normally this is not an issue as we have the Non Imm B and re-entry permit, but that is in the expired passport. 

Losing some of my already thinning hair with worry. 

Any help or guidance will be most helpful. 

Thanks. 

8 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The embassy cannot cancel your current extension of stay or the re-entry permit.

There is no rule that states you cannot be working outside the country while on an extension of stay based upon retirement.

You could change the reason for your extension for retirement to one based upon being the parent of a foreign child attending school near the end of your current extension. You will need 500k baht in a Thai bank for 90 days on the date your apply. Requirements for the extension are here at #5. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_11

Thanks Joe. The 500k is a Non-issue for me. 

Just wondering, if I turn up at Suvarnabhumi and don't fill in the Re entry permit number on my Tm6, maybe I get stamped in as a visitor, then would that negate the re-entry permit? 

Hello, 

I am a UK citizen here. I hold 2 passports for the UK. Both in date and valid. 

I have a retirement extension valid until June 2019. 

I have 2 children in an international school at technically they are my dependents. 

The school will and can issue me with the paperwork to get the Non O. 

I originally went for the OA but have since realised that being retired is a boring way of living my life. No offence on the retirees here, but I am only 50 and also, this week, I cancelled the planned retirement at my current work place in China. 

My current financial situation is very strong. Even though I have spent more time abroad than in Thailand, I have spent in excess of 3 million baht this year. I also have a few million in a foriegn deposit accounts in Thailand. 

My idea is that I wish to go to the embassy in China, I am a permanent resident here, and get the o visa. However, in my passport I have the o with retirement extension and the multiple return permit. Can the embassy cancel the current O Visa and the Multiple entry return permit and issue an O. I can then get the O extended in Thailand thanks to the school that I am the legal guardian of my children there. 

If I go the embassy and explain that I have decided not to retire, thus the current visa I have is not applicable, and to remain working in China, but wish to fly to Thailand at least one a month for extended periods, such as 3 weeks for Xmas.

In this world of compliance, the retirement visa is not really valid anymore and I do not want any problems when I travel to Thailand to see my wife and Children. When I fly in and out of Thailand, it is clear that I am a business man. Though I conduct no business in Thailand. 

Additionally, I have negotiating with some Thai partners who seek to collaborate on a new Chinese / Thailand business venture. Obviously a retirement visa does not allow that to proceed. The partners are very well placed and my group will be investing financially and IP. There are zero concerns here as the partners are very well known to us and are very reliable. 

Can anyone offer some relevant guidance on this matter?

Someone suggested that I return to Thailand next month and try and enter as a tourist. This cancels the MERP and the OA extension. Then I can get the O legitimately in Thailand. Though that is all a hassle when I have the embassy next door to me in China. 

Many thanks

On 10/1/2018 at 4:04 PM, WorriedNoodle said:

I have found the IO only get fussy about this if you move inside Thailand and try to use the services of another provincial IO, such as 90 day report, extend stay etc. 

So if the IO get fussy, because you are using the services of another provincial IO, how do you actually deal with this and make it so it is not a problem. My extension was issued in BKK, then a few months later moved out of BKK area into another IO. I have not really used the services of the the local IO other than to file the TM30. When I did that, the IO mentioned about the origination of my extension, but then processed the TM30 anyway. But after reading this comment I am wondering what could go wrong and how to prevent that..

So I made the trip to the Hua Hin immigration. 

They said no need to report anything. That even when I leave the country and come back it is ok as I/we are always returning to the same address. 

Then I asked about having a different Tm6 if I leave the country and return and they said that if my address is the same on the new Tm6 as it was on the previous TM6 then it is OK. 

I am getting worried that things are getting lost in translation.... 

6 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Did you register in your name or your wife's? If it was in your wife's name then forget it. No one is even aware that you left home.

I supplied all our passports, all UK passports, to the resort. They seemed to scan the visa and and even the report notifications stapled into the back and do some fiddling on a computer with them. 

6 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

What office do your report to?

I report to Hua Hin immigration office.

The last time I went there to file a Tm28 after travelling away, they told me no to bother as I am covered by the TM30. 

It can get confusing with ensuring you stay compliant. 

Hello, 

The family and I had the weekend staying at a beach resort down from where we live. We stayed in the same province. 

Do I need to go to immigration this morning and report that we are back at the address. 

If no, then, in 2 weeks time, for the October half term school holidays we are going to drive down to Koh Samui for a week and stay in a resort. This will be out of province for us. 

Will we need to report to immigration when we return? 

Many thanks. 

My Thai visa is in the same passport as my residence visa for the other country that I must renew. If I dont renew then I have to start a new application and I have held that residence visa for many years.

Interestingly , I did have a bad experience with using the wrong passport once. I left Shenzhen China land border on on the passport that has the visa and I then used the other passport when I arrived in Hong Kong. I did this because of space considerations, this was when HK stamped your passport, but the confusion this caused for HK immigration meant that I was delayed for 3 hours at HK immigration.

So once bitten twice shy and always better to request the information from those more experienced than me.

I am going to delay the submission of the visa renewal and travel on the passport with the Thai Visa.

Thanks for all the help and advice.

52 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

Are you out of your mind?  Keep your mouth shut and smile.

Lol. I suspect you are right. 

Perhaps I shall delay the new overseas visa and travel on the passport with the Thai visa in. Seems to be the safest option. 

Thanks, so it may be that using the wrong passport, the one without the Non Imm with long extension and Muliple entry permit, can invalidate the Non Imm and long stay extension.

I have used both passports at different times prior to getting the Non Imm. Nothing untoward here, just that I am a frequent traveller that is resident in two other countries and have residence/work permits for those. No comment has ever been made and I have never been asked about the dual passports so have never voluntarily linked them. The passport numbers are different so I am not sure how they would know. I have a common name and I know at least 1 other person that has the same name and date of birth as me, though they are born in a different area from me.

Would it be best to explain thhe situation to the Immigration officer on arrival? Is there a chance I can be denied entry? Or should I make a trip to immigration to explain that my primary passport is getting processed for renewal of a work visa overseas?

Hi, I have 2 UK passports. I need to hand in my passport, the one that has my Thai multiple reentry permit, to get a new visa in another country. The process is a few weeks. 

Meanwhile, I absolutly must travel to Thailand next week but can only use the passport that does not have the multiple reentry. Basically it has a few stamps, nothing more. 

When I arrive, I will get the 30 day tourist visa. 

Just wondering what the legality of this is and what will happen to my multiple reentry that is in my other passport. 

Both passports have the same details. Only the number and issue and valid too dates are different. 

I am happy to lose the reentry and reapply if that is the path. 

Thanks

My son submitted for a renewal. Was quoted 6 weeks but actually got it back in one week. 

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

Does the top of the receipt look like this. If yes you did a TM30 report.

The may of just filed away the report without changing your address in the database.

When you complete the TM28 you could put any day on it you wanted since they have no way of checking when you moved.

Yes. That is exactly what is in my passport. So I shall pop along to immigration and hand in the TM28, that I downloaded from here. I shall put the address as my current address that is the one refered to in the attachment in my passport. 

Once that is done, I assume that the immigration computer will then show my correct address and my Tm6 will not cause a query. 

Thank you for the assistance. Seems the TM28 and the TM30 are confusing. One would assume that the TM30 should also do the job of the TM28.