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5 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Why do you think that? Have you conversed directly with any of us? Or are you content with shouting out your unsubstantiated bias?

You advocate for illegal aliens, and you do it in a manor that is extremely hardcore. 

1 minute ago, mikebike said:

Why on God’s green earth would anyone believe what Schumer OR 45 says? They are both political stooges rooted in old-school corporate centrism and ensconced completely in their own (very different) bubbles, or echo chambers.

So... you're sooo far to the left that even your own party is full of it? 

Yet you want people here to believe that your opinions are mainstream?

And that people like me are "far right racists"?

What?

13 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Everyone you quoted wants to stop illegal immigration.

Lie. 

13 minutes ago, mikebike said:

It’s just that we want to do it in a way which will WORK. Personally, I have yet to find a door, wall, or other physical impediment which I cannot bypass fairly easily if needed. So why would I want to spend my tax dollars on a scheme proven ineffective a millennia ago? Immigration POLICY is decades old and out of date.

Your girl Chuck, 2009, negating everything you just said. 

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The House and Senate has bi-partisan support for a raft of ‘evidence based’ measures to secure the border, Trump refuses to sign because right wing mouthpieces on Fox/Talk Radio told him they wanted a wall.

You're lying. The house & senate have "a raft" of literal continuation bills that do nothing. 

14 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Many ARE advocating for changes to immigration policy based on data-driven policy decisions, as opposed to an ego-driven, pork-laden, boondoggle which will not reduce “illegals” in any way, shape, or form.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You got confused by your very own strawman argument.

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Why do you say I am advocating for illegal aliens?

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A wall is not a secure border.

Literally none of you want to stop illegal immigration. 

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And also don't forget to look at the financials and crime statistics. Are illegals really a major problem?

Why are you advocating for illegal aliens? 

Why is almost everyone in this thread advocating for illegal aliens? 

I just don't understand it. Not even 10 years ago all the top dems were all for border security and walls, and now all of a sudden its "defend illegal aliens"....

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Do you REALLY want me to start listing random acts of violence, against police and civilians, perpetrated by home-grown criminals which resulted families needing consolation?

 

Why does anyone think that random, subjective, stories - from either side - prove anything?

The problem with this argument is that you are elevating illegal aliens to the same level & platform as a countries own citizens, which is the countries first and only obligation. 

Illegal aliens shouldn't even be in the country in the first place, so how in the hell is that a valid argument? 

Your implied argument here is that illegal aliens are somehow better than a countries own citizens. 

My takeaway from this is... Why? 

Why do you fight so hard for illegal aliens? No other first world country as to deal with such a burden, yet somehow you think the US should? 

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Which news outlet did you hear that on?

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Another migrant caravan will soon be making its way north from Honduras with an estimated 15,000 people, according to new reports. 

As the thousands of migrants who fled the Central American country in October remain stranded at the Mexico border waiting to enter the US, the even larger group is prepared is preparing to depart for the north on January 15.  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6536565/Another-migrant-caravan-15-000-people-set-depart-Honduras-month.html

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Another migrant caravan — with estimates of as many as 15,000 participants — is preparing to leave Honduras on January 15, according to migrant rights advocates and Spanish-language media.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/migrant-caravan/sd-me-another-caravan-20181227-story.html

Watched this on netflix the other day and it was the farthest thing from terrifying. I mean it was an ok movie and definitely watchable, but hardly earth shattering.