biggerpill

3 days ago I returned to Thailand from Europe and got out into the hotel quaruntine. I am a a family member with a Thai wife..The hotel is lovely and everyone is nice but being stuck in 1 room for 14 full days is hard. Iam an american but have lived  in Portugal for the last 4 months. All these latest proposals for foreign tourists,home owners but NOT the retirees are in summary a joke. The Thais only mention the added benefit of all the income they will get but never what the foreigners need. I have not seen my wife and Thai daughter for 10 months and this was the only way.But as I explained to my wife I do not see myself making Thailand a permanent home by the way they have treated the foreigners in general. Immigration with tm30,9,28...come on.They don,t ask our opinion what we think. I am an alien but NOT from mars..Philippines will give me easy retirement visa with no hassles, no reporting because they want me and need me..Thais don't really want us here. With the latest insult to homeowner to put up 100,00USD in thai bank to come ..obviously heads are spinning and with the condo glut already and prices dropping how stupid it would be to dump more good money into bad. I will probably considering the current sh_tshow talk to some realtors about my very large condo in Bangkok to sell. This place is not the place where I want to enjoy the rest of my life. In Europe where I have a small house near the ocean they love foreigners. The beaches are clean,the drivers are not insane, the price are much cheaper than Thailand and there is NO choking smoke in the winter..I see no comparison..yes I will miss my crazy and affectionate massage girls( and my wife.LOL) but overall there is no comparison to the quality of life for a foreigner ..especially an expat.Thailand and the people who run it are blind and self centered. Not only that they truly believe that people want to come here now. So may better place to go and probably live ..and I live it here and my family but after 8 years I am tired of being abused by immigration, almost killed everyday on the road, being overcharged cause I,m white,looking at garbage and bags everywhere I go,breathing the most polluted air when the burning starts,being shaken down for money by police,..and swimming on always dirty beaches now. Thailand needs to recognize us as a valuable part of their culture. We can hardly ever become citizens here..but everywhere else they WANT us not just for our money..The politics as well clearly show you how Thais are treated by their government.( So many starving and not working)..so why should we be expected to be treated better than that.I,m sorry for my family here but the future does not look bright. I,m getting old now and can afford to live anywhere but really tired of jumping through hoops and bullcrap. Maybe this quaruntine is making me crazier but by being alone and isolated gives time for quiet thought and contemplation..it's like a bad hand of cards in poker with money in the pot...TIME TO FOLD! Good luck and well wishes to others like me put into an uncomfortable position to make such harsh life decisions. No reason to be abused..YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE

After reading all previous 20 pages ..I,m not sure if I should be angry, laughing or in shock. I am one of the stupid farang (with a Thai family) waiting for me up north near Chiang Rai. I am one of those idiots who has agreed to an expensive charter flight coming up soon, a 14 day QUARUNTINE , eating food I probably won't like, having sticks shoved up my nose, producing gobs of worthless paperwork with big expenses like the "fit to fly", (almost like the 150thb fit to drive joke), leaving a pretty safe and FRIENDLY place in Europe (The Agarve)  to come to a country that really does NOT want me, treats me like a big criminal, overcharges me for most everything when they can get away with it, TM30,TM28, the list goes on. I have not seen my wife since December. She cries when we video chat, my 5 dogs cry when they hear my voice on the phone, so does my stepdaughter. After reading the latest hairbrain remark from " you know who" I am shocked. My parents went thru the Nazi holocaust and my surviving uncle had a tattoo on his inner forearm with a number from a concentration camp. I grew up never having grandparents. For now I may not be in the STV group of idiots but a stupid husband missing his family. This latest idiocy pushes me over the edge. i refuse to be tracked and harassed especially in a country where I own an expensive condo and support many families and trades through maintenance, travel, food,  etc. I have been running a very successful company in USA for the last 32 years and the beauty of it is I am pretty independent and answer to no one. Yes these Thai fascist don't "get it". I emailed my wife and told her of this moronic plan and if it goes through..I will immediately pack my bags, put the condo up for sale to some Chinese sucker, and sail off to my little villa in the mountains of Portugal on a hill so close to the ocean (which is spotless with no garbage everywhere like Thailand)and enjoy $2.00 glasses of Vino Verde and the $1.00 bottles of beer, and eat an amazing complete meal for $10.00!! What the Thai leaders don't get is that even with Covit there are so many cheaper, more pleasurable, cleaner, safer, less stringent immigration standard countries than Thailand..

I got the feeling it is time to cut and run..i know making jokes is all we can really do. I'm not angry but more sad. Yes, I will miss my Thai family and friends, all the cute ladybois i get to play pool with, but I will not live under Gestapo rule and be treated like a 2nd class person ..only existing here and tolerated here so Thailand can suck my money out of me.. Maybe for the Chinese Thailand is a step up from the way they are treated at home by their Communist leaders. But if you ask any normal Thi worker they HATE alot of Chinese with their cheapness, pushiness, unfriendliness, uncleanliness, etc. They really miss all those nice Europens that used to come to stay In Kata, Karon and enjoy Swedish meatballs and Thai food.. I remember those days. .But the land of smiles has taken all of us for granted and harassed us enough and burned their bridges.. .The Brazilian girls running around here in the Algarve are starting to look really good as a viable option. LOL. 

signed a new Portuguese wine drinker

been on a non-o for 6 years. on farm near phayao.( when i,m there).had 1 visit from local police..did not speak english asked too many personal questions and i told my wife to tell him to <deleted>-k himself.all my answers i told him 7-11, shopping food,bank,etc.that was 6 years ago..should have read the writing on the wall...time to say goodbye to thailand

M

Having been coming to Thailand for over 8 years and married to a thai lady I find the new retirement visa rules a big joke...I an about to retire and DO NOT need to jump thru do many hoops..trying to simplify my life..I support many thai households with constant construction on my wife,s farm.1.1thwy do not appreciate us.. I will look for.country that does and just come as a tourist when I can..they made my life difficult just to register a motorcycle in my name even though I have a marriage visa, bank account in thai,own  condo in bkk, but want a work permit..<deleted>  idiot's.. bike now in wifes name..I run a.very large agency in USA and not tolerant of beauracratic bullshit...and the.embassies are worthless in this fight...

Signed an ex,-expat

M