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Would appreciate any reliable experience with this stage of the moronic immigration procedure Visa Exempt > Non Immigrant O (Retirement) > 1st Retirement Extension > 2nd Retirement Extension
In particular: Local immigration tell me I must increase my current 400k Bank to 800k again for 3 months before my 2st Non O Retirement extension (due 28 Sept 2023). That despite the fact that I have transferred over 65k every month since Jan 2022!
Seems they want it both ways for the transition year (to monthly income method)
Can’t see anything clear in the Immigration rules as usual.
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WIth so many scams
No give my hans
Let place bans
Never been a criminal before and not about to start now
Incapable of managing ….. so how can they manage this
AND what protection if the can't …. NONE!
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Since I started the topic I am obliged to reply to points raised on my post, but not all the other issues.
To Ubon Joe Thanks for your reply and wider contributions.
My answers + more info for context …
1 Dec was my last quarterly transfer 242,380THB
2 On 10 Jan I saw the 2ic at Hua Hin and asked specifically about transferring 3 monthly in advance. He assured me that would be OK
3 The signed order I saw was dated “Confirm” 28/1/19. Didn’t see that till Feb.
4 Feb & March 65k+ transfers. Why? ThaiVisa discussion AND doubting the Immigration clerks would be on the same page as their immediate 2ic
Also, of less but some relevance …
5 Total transfers into Thailand in the 12 months preceding my application 1.9m THB … still 1.1m excluding the 800k seasoned for safety.
6 Here continuously 20+ years and transferred more than 1m THB pa on average
7 I asked some average Thais the Thai word for “leniency” and the Thai meaning of it. Even those with University degrees had no knowledge of this. So how would an Immigration clerk understand it?
8 Oh, and guess what, that 2ic, who seemed quite a reasonable fellow, has now been transferred. Leaving only the gremlins in control.
9 I spoke with the boss of that office by phone twice in December. He gave me a BS assurance that my situation would be covered by the forthcoming new rules.
To other posters …
1 My main alert was about “evidence” and the
possibleprobable hint of more confusing nonsense to follow. Especially for anyone on a self-funded pension or anything but the simplest of “evidence” and translated into Thai which would be a challenge. No one seemed to read the notice that way … yet!2 I can’t leave here at short notice so I covered all 3 options …
Bank letter and transfers – Refused
Embassy letter and quarterly transfers – Accepted
800k seasoned deposit – not required.
3 Technically, with hindsight, a 65k transfer in Jan was missing. In the whole context I say so &^*&*** what.
4 My other concern was about the incompetence coupled with the gremlin factor + the new barrier so you can no longer see what the paper shufflers are doing/reading.
Some claimed good experience at this office. Again I say BEWARE!
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Information for those using 65,000 baht monthly income to support their retirement extension.
For more than 10 years I have transferred funds to Thailand quarterly in advance. Example: In March I transferred more than 65k X 3 to cover living expenses for April, May and June. I used an embassy letter.
The new rules demanded that I transition to transfers every month. Which I started as soon as the changes were released.
My retirement extension was refused.
“Must be every month” she said, pushing the following undated, unsigned amateur notice at me.
I read it to include a hint that the rocket scientists and criminal investigators are having problems with “evidence.” Simple like “every month” on a bank statement they can almost understand but beyond that their grey matter goes into meltdown mode. Who knows what brilliant solution they will come up with.
This hint may apply more widely than Hua Hin.
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Attention ubonjoe
Your contributions to these topics is greatly appreciated
Even more by me if you can find time to comment on this issue and my situation below
Topic Heading : Extension for Those Here Since Oct 1998
I first came to Thailand on 10 July 1998
That holiday lead me to decide to retire here during that month (both before 21 October 1998)
I have had the following visas with no breaks between them since then
1 Tourist from 10/7/98
2 Non Immig B from 21/10/98 (Only because a crooked lawyer insisted I needed a Work Permit to get a car drivers licence – I won’t ride motor bikes as way to dangerous here) But I never worked in Thailand.
3 Non Immig O from 27/4/2001
4 Retirement from 17/6/2002 (17 years ago and still current)
As Tanoshi said in post #6
The key words here being 'consecutively permitted to stay'
My local (Senior) Immigration Staff interpret this as needing a retirement visa from 21 October 1998 or earlier. But that is not what clause (6) of the police order says. If it said 'consecutively permitted to stay on retirement visas before 21 October 1998' I would have to accept that.
I have been 'consecutively permitted to stay' since 10/7/98
Their interpretation means I would have had to renew at least 1 retirement visa before 21 October 1998 - ie I must have started retirement visas before 21 October 1997 (before I first came here)
I’m guessing the 21 October 1998 date has much to do with the Thai financial melt-down around that time.
When you have time, would you care to comment?
A short reply saying “just accept the sloppy wording of clause(6)” would save you time and mean to me … it is pointless chasing my situation further.
Many thanks again.
Transition 800k Bank to 65k/month – Correct Procedure?
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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As the Op I aimed to see if there was any real clarity about this transition. Secondly I thought it may be helpful to others.
Thank you for all the replies, notably Dr Jack and his UbonJoe reference, and BritTim. Others too for showing what the “rules” mean (or don’t) if you have a few active brain cells, some decent education and apply some logic.
I submit the following which covers all the bases – allowing for WORST CASE Immigration offices/officers.
Procedure for arriving Visa Exempt and migrating to Non Immigrant O Retirement Visa then to Extensions eventually based on monthly “income” transfers to Thailand.
(Note: Indicative dates used for example. Actual dates of Immigration stamps need to be substituted and subsequent dates adjusted.)
1/1/22 Arrive Via Exempt
Within the first week (Say 7/1/22) …
Deposit 800k in a Thai Bank
Apply for a Non O Retirement Visa
Get the list of requirements for Non O Retirement Extensions at your Immigration office.
Keep the 800k in a Thai Bank
31/1/22 Receive Non O Retirement Visa (for 90 days to say 30/4/22)
1/2/22 to 30/4/22 Keep 800k in Thai Bank
1/4/22 Apply for 1st Non O Retirement Extension (800k method)
1/4/22 Begin monthly “income”/transfers to the Thai Bank and continue every month.
30/4/22 Receive 1st Non O Retirement Extension (1 year to say 30/4/23)
1/5/22 to 31/7/22 Keep 800k in Thai Bank then reduce to 400k
1/2/23 Increase 400k to 800k in the Thai Bank
1/4/23 Apply for 2nd Non O Retirement Extension (Monthly “income”/transfers method)
30/4/23 Receive 2nd Non O Retirement Extension (1 year to say 30/4/24)
1/5/23 Reclaim your 800k from the Thai bank if you wish.
1/5/23 Continue monthly “income”/transfers to the Thai Bank every month thereafter
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In summary
800k deposit 7/1/22 to 31/7/22 (6 months)
400k deposit 31/7/22 to 1/2/23 (6 months)
800k deposit 1/2/23 to 1/5/23 (3 months)
AND 65k minimum monthly transfers 1/4/22 to 1/4/23 (12 months)
Procedure complete. Now continue 65k transfers every month.
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After more than 20 years here (interrupted by a 2 year Covid exile) discovering all this has still been a pain!
To the many who claim Immigration rules are easy, I say pffffft!
To anyone who follows exchange rates during the captive 800k / 400k for 15 months it is like Lotto. At one point in my process I was down over 100k baht v’s my preferred currency deposits elsewhere. So it is impossible to say what these Thai visas really cost - especially if the THB weakens.