Jack19290

6 hours ago, Katia said:

You don't trust her, to the point that you test her.  You can't communicate with her.  You can't see her except for a few weeks of the year.  For this you are going to pay her money?  Why?  What's so great about her vs. any other Thai woman you could meet the times you are there that you feel the need to keep her on the hook year-round for a few days of funtimes every year?  This is seriously baffling.

 

Then there's you.  You're extremely jealous and paranoid that there will be other men yet you openly admit and feel no guilt over cheating on her.  You want to control her to the point of always knowing where she is.  You're apparently determined to take her back to the UK with you despite the fact that she's said she doesn't want to go.  If she's lucky you'll lose her phone number.

Seems a bit harsh and true. I have no comment to be honest.

Also she doesn't shave down there lol does that mean anything in Thailand ???? ?

If I got paid for this than I would do this job all day on my phone, on many different forums and retire in thailand a happy man lol

Yes i have been thailand 3 times and my 4th will be in May, that is a good amount by my count. 9+ days each time and yes I have had over 5 freebies from online sites and I have had plenty of girls from 1,500-5,000 that's my min and max I have paid.

I have also had 2 African ladies which I paid 7,000 baht for, at the same time.

Is she a hooker tho? Sleeping with 2 men and me as the 3rd? 

I mean girls sleep with different  men in the UK on a daily basis some even have friends with benefits. Are they prostitutes because the man paid for her dinner and paid for the cab ride home?

Because I didn't pay this girl other then a 1,000 passport, food and cab rides. So is everyone that goes on a date or stays with a man on holiday a prostitute?

I don't understand why some people think i am a troll.

I am a 27 year old man. An accountant, do you think I have nothing better to do?

The troll sayers haven't read my posts carefully, obviously, or they would understand better.

I said I can offer her 10k-20k baht a month and 40k extra every 6 months. This amount wouldn't effect my life at home but anything more and it could effect my life in the UK.

However, i said she would need to go back to Isaan while we get to know each other better until I bring her to the UK.

She refused my money which was the 10k on offer to go back home and she doesn't want to leave Thailand. 

What do you want me to do? Pay her while she works at the bar? No thank you.

Also I know how Thailand works, I have been many times. I have paid 1,500-5,000 for girls and even got many for free from clubs and dating sites.

She gets a basic salary of 8,000 baht a month with or without drinks, every lady drink which costs 140 baht she gets 50 baht from it.

The girls at the bar, all 8 of them put 15 baht a day each and get a big meal and share it together.

They eat once a day, so they can drink more and still stay skinny.

In the club's the girls drink for free if there is 4 or more of them. They get a free bottle and 1 random drink of there choice.

There taxi bike rides from bangla road costs 20 baht and 2-3 girls jump on the bike. This is if they are to drunk, if not then they walk home.

There cost of living is very low.

I think they spend around 900 - 2,000 baht a month and that is the max they spend. 

I guess they send home 5k/6k and live off the lady drinks income, this is my guess of what she has explained to me.

The video chats are a little awkward, her English is a little better now, I would say like 5% also I am taking thai lessons 3 times a week and studying daily.

I know around 10 sentences now so we just communicate a little and laugh a lot. Like big kids.

Anything else you would like me to add?

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You might want to send a Tom in to have a go? Some of those little boy band lookalikes pull nice Thai birds.

 

 

I don't know what that means?

If anyone can get this girl then I will pernoanlly pay them what he got charged lol

I'll be in patong at the end of May, 2 months from now.

Also it obviously has to be a reasonable amount, like 5k baht, anything more and that said person would have to cough it up lol 

Thanks for all the comments.

I have a friend in patong, an Australian man. He is out there currently and tried it with her last night, he offered her 10k baht for the night, which she kindly declined. 

It was my idea, she doesn't know we are friends or that we know each other. I just wanted to see what she would say. Lucky me I suppose.

He is in his late 30's and in good shape, before people assume he is old and fat.

Anyway, she still hasn't asked any money from me, yet.

She is also video chatting me 3-4 times a day.

Even before she goes to sleep, she stays with a friend (girl) so I see the friend asleep on the bed beside her, normally around 3am when she gets in from the club.

Last 2 nights she didn't go out, we FaceTimed for quite a while during the night.

So far so good, i am just trying to get her to undo all her privacy on Facebook for me so I can see everything, I am limited like all of her other friends I guess lol

I'll keep everyone updated, thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What ever you are or do, you are not the first one. Live and learn, 

I don't want to live it and learn it lol

Why are thai women so complicated ???? just take my money go home to your family and I'll see you every 3 months ????

It's a shame I can't move to thailand, I just can't risk my job, family, friends, my whole life on a business that might not work out.

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Why wouldn't she agree, take the money, then carry on where she is.

It's not as if you could tell Issan from Phuket on the phone.

(and I'm betting she's having plenty of sex)

If you were a betting man you would know there are odds, so you could still lose and I hope she isn't lol

I can't tell the difference no however she has family in isaan so I would be able to see her next to them which would make sense.

1 minute ago, xtrnuno41 said:

OK she wants to be independent and/or dont want to commit instantly to you. SHe thinks , there are more fish in the pond.

THe only one question remains for you, if YOU want a serious relation with her, is she going to be a bargirl with customers? If you agree , no problems then. Share your gf !?  

IF not, you dont have to bother anyway, anyhow. Also for you there are more fish in the pond. After all you are 27, so young still. Man up and just tell her straight, ask. You already asked her this question and looks like she replied honestly as well.

Take care of your own feelings. Better be an owner of a lonely heart, then one of a broken heart.

What do i say? Go back to isaan and I send you 20,000 baht a month. 

Why should she agree when she makes 8,000 basic salary and 50 baht off every lady drink, plus clubs and bars are free entry and drinks are free for her as well. 

She is living a 24 year olds dream while getting paid on top to be honest. This doesn't mean she's having sex with other men.

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Is this how sexaholic behave? 

 

????

 

anyway, the plot is realistic for many who come to Thailand, but you, are just f....... with us. 

It's definitely not, normally I leave in the morning or tell the girl to leave my house in the morning. 

This girl was just different I had a click with her, second time in my life to be honest that's my problem and I am not trolling anyone or anything I am genuine in all my posts.

4 hours ago, Katia said:

Soooo... she's not allowed to sleep with other men, but you're allowed to sleep with other women?

 

*Makes popcorn and waits*

No ofcourse it is not right but I have to have sex atleast once a day ????

Also i didn't want to post this as all the trolls will eat it up but here goes.

Just before she goes clubbing which is every night we face time, she doesn't reply to texts while out and she doesn't FaceTime/reply when she goes back to her room. If she goes back to her room that is.

Plus she sends me a picture every morning when at work and ignores the privous text that night ????

Yeah shit is very wierd.

2 hours ago, Katia said:

Oh, man, this keeps getting better (I keep popping in every few pages).  First you wanted to send her 10,000 baht.  Then it was "okay, maybe 20,000, no more."  Next we got to "okay, okay, 30,000, but I really can't pay more than that."  Now we're up to 40,000 baht.

 

FiftyfiftydoIhearfiftywho'sgonnagivemefiftyhow'boutfiftythoufiftythoufiftythou...

 

 

Well, she is.  That's literally her job.  We've been discussing that for 21 pages now.

 

If you want a woman you can keep an eye on, you're going to have to actually be near her.  If you want a woman you need to keep your eye on... well... good luck to you, I guess.  (This isn't a dig on bar girls, more on lack of trust in a relationship.)

 

Does she know *you're* not sleeping with other women? 

Well I am, I'm actually diagnosed as a sexaholic ????

I haven't gave her any money yet.

Mainly because she hasn't asked for any. 

I am going back in 12 weeks for 10 days, she doesn't know. It's a secret, I want to see what happens during these 12 weeks.

3 minutes ago, rasg said:

rom what you have said

Not sure why you are discussing money at this stage. You haven't known her long. Just go with the flow and if you get requests for cash simply address it positively or negatively according to your feelings at the time. From what you have said she hasn’t demanded any cash or if she has it's been a small amount. Your current approach is doomed to failure if all you are thinking is, when is she going to ask for cash.

 

You obviously like her a lot. Just enjoy it and be prepared to walk away if you need to. Sounds like you originally met her for all the right reasons. ie. You fancied the pants off each other. My wife was a keeper a few weeks after I met her. Your girlfriend might be the same but not if you are sitting there waiting for her to demand money for her dad's sick buffalo.

 

Stephen Leather is an excellent author but Private Dancer is a real turkey and his worst book by far.

I think that makes a lot of sense, thank you.

4 minutes ago, JaiLai said:

then she can make herself look pretty, maybe get some nice panties for them.....

That's messed up ????

Yeah but what if she is having sex with other guys while I'm leaving her money ????

18 minutes ago, Seth1a2a said:

_{I believe  the OP is in a slightly different category than that of an average pay for play participant. Based on a few experiences I had in the 1990s, when I looked a lot younger there is one thing I found out.}

_{There are 2 types of currency in Thailand "Cash" and "Face" and what you don't give her in cash she extracts in the form of "face".  Maybe in her view and those around her, she pursues a noble cause by having a normal acceptable relationship with someone in her own age group who she relates to and cares about while she suffers the penance of laying beneath drunken overweight over-aged slobs to earn money towards supporting herself and her family.} 

_{Young Bar girls tend to  look for young  Thais to commit to (that guy you always see sitting on the moto when you come to barfine her ?) or younger  Foreigners (she shows you where all the parties and clubs are, you don't pay her a dime and even sometimes she asks you to stay at her place so you don't have to "pay hotel" ) See , I'm not really a prostitute I just play one on TV.}

_{Just as the old guys look for the pretty young girl to display as eye candy at a casino or expensive restaurant,  you are each others social trophy.  A) I scored a Thai girlfriend for free while other guys are paying through the nose.}

_{B) She scored a young handsome foreigner who could easily find a chick his own age in his own country.}

_{Aren't we special and proud?     The problem ?  The ugly "Face" of another head ....the actual family . In a lot of cases a child is being taken care of by the parents while she works , aged family members are unable to work (no social security), a gambling or drug addicted relative has debts that need to be addressed,  and more pressure " we took care of you now you must take care of us "(more famous in Vietnamese prostitution) "you can't just sit around the house all day"..." your brother needs money for cigarettes" , "your father needs a new pickup truck......" how could we have raised such an ungrateful child"}

_{"Appun next door went to Phuket and met a good man who supports her whole family why can't you?"}

_{I remember reading some rule about daughters having more responsibility for the family than the Sons.}

 

_{You need to address the fact that there are way too many  options for employment in Thailand than for her to just plop down in that environment and say this will be my vocation.}

 

_{My view on deep relationships with Thai women who are not self sufficient, is to be prepared to become a victim of financial incest. You might not have any intentions to < F #$  censored> them but they sure as heck are planning to < F #$ censored>  you.  It starts with the "sin sod" and it ends with the divorce after everything finally gets registered in her name.  Sorry for the cynicism  ................. I've heard it better said that in Asia you don't just marry the girl you marry the family so if you choose to continue make sure you thoroughly investigate what's going on in that realm of her life . Blood is thicker than water. Don't ask her to choose between a one month acquaintance and a lifetime bond.}

_{If you bring her home to your country be prepared to lie on the visa application . Prostitution is not considered a stable form of income.   http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/uk-tourist-visa.phphttp://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/uk-tourist-visa.php} 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the reply.

She has decided she does not want to leave Thailand, not even for a holiday ???? she thinks Thailand is the best country in the world and doesn't see why she should leave the country when there is many islands we can travel together over there.

Therefore I have decided to travel back to Thailand in 3 months time for 10 days. 

Ofcourse i will pay her barfine unfortunately, just the free 1 day she gets I won't pay for and ofcourse I will pay for her food and travel to other islands etc 

I think if all goes well in 3 months time plus the 10 day holiday I will leave her money when I leave thailand to come back home. She can send the money to her family or do as she pleases. I was thinking maybe 40,000 baht nothing more.

That is if everything goes fine for 3 months and the 10 days holiday.

3 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Wow - bare back with a girl you have known for 6 days is just too cool  lol

I never do bareback and i have been with loads of girls, uk, thailand and rest of world lol but it just felt right ????

19 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

is she pregnant yet? just wondering. 

I'll find out by the 26th if she doesn't come on her period lol 

Guys I did spend some money out there. Her friend broke up with her boyfriend and she was crying in the club and ruining the mood. I got her a birthday cake and made the staff sing to her, I also got her flowers and made her stop crying. Put some cake on her face and my girls i was with and it turned out all fun.

The night got 10x better, also yes we did have sex, not many times I think 4 times but all was great ???? no not just for me, a man can tell if a girl had a good time or orgasmed or not, you know she had a great time if you know what you are doing, 100+ guys or not doesn't matter.

Anyway like I said we are on day 7 and she FaceTime me during the day and night even while clubbing with her friends and when she gets home. She still hasn't asked for money and even when I ask if she needs it she says no.

I will carry on with her, wait and see what happens, either she slips up or i just hope for the best.

26 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

1. OP you seem to be a Troll as your English doesn't seem as good as some Thai girls I know.

2. You do seem like a Cheap Charlie or exaggerate your wealth. If you were a nice guy and cared for the girl why wouldn't you send her some money to help out since it is not difficult for you and I am sure you are aware that regular girls say in Malls only get about $10 a day (10,000 baht a month) and anything you sent would help a lot.

3. You say you now offered her 10,000 baht a month to leave the bar and stay home in Issan. She said no because she can make a lot more than that working the bar. Or 10,000 baht from you and still working bar would be a nice income. Knew a girl from Hooters in Pattaya do that till the guy married her and took her to Florida , USA.

4. Most Thai think Thailand is the best country in the world and really don't want to move overseas especially somewhere damp and cold like the UK. Hell even Brits leave UK to come live/visit warm Thailand. The girls usually return to Thailand after awhile or when their husbands retire.

5. Grow up, spend some money/time with her see how things work out. Just don't invest all your income here and if things work out fine, if not oh well a learning experience.

1. My English is fine, I am on a Samsung phone and I hate it. My iPhone is with the insurance company at the moment.

2. My salary is fine, it's a good income. I can't prove it to you but why should I send my hard earned money if this girl is having sex with other men, that is my problem.

3. I could consider sending money to her if she worked in a hotel or somewhere not related to the sex industry.

4. I would love to live in thailand but my job won't be effective over there, what could I possibly do over there to earn what I earn over here, it might even be impossible. I am looking to open a restaurant out there, maybe, but it would cost about £100,000 and I wont have anyone to help me money wise or visa wise etc... And it could ruin my whole life if it doesn't work out.

5. I am spending time with her and I paid for everything when I was there like food lol and some other stuff which I haven't said on the forum ????

2 minutes ago, 473geo said:

You must not try and inflict your ideas on the girl, listen to what she says and perhaps read between the lines, maybe she is happy away from the farm, going back could be disappointing for her, and, destroy her sense of independence. In which case you are going to have to build/develop an awful lot of trust! Can be done but far from easy!

 

You are choosing a difficult path, make no mistake. Good luck, hope it works out. 

In the main try to have fun, create some enjoyable experiences to look back on, just in case true love ends up arriving later at another platform.

Thank you but how do we create memorable moments when we are so far away from each other lol 

How do I accept that she could possibly be with other men at night while I'm working at home, it's very weird I have no idea on weather she will be with a man or not so the trust is easily broken.

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Thats 500 Pounds per month , 6000 a year , plus your trips to Thailand to see her .

You would b looking at 10 000 GBP per year .

100 000 quid in the next ten years 

Like I said in my previous post, any more than this and it would effect my life at home but this is doable for me.

5 minutes ago, Mai Mee Tang said:

Once I met one Thai girl in Bangkok, small and cute, the type of girl most Thais like, she was working on a bar at Sukhumvit, but a different kind of bar, you just need to drink something once you get in and there are plenty of freelancers to choose from, most of customers at that place were asian guys.

Anyway, the important part is what she told me: she was making around 100.000 to 140.000 bahts per month working most of the nights, she told me she was saving to build a new house for her family and another one for her, after that she would quit and go back to her village, at least this was her plan at that time. One day a young American guy, under his thirty I would say, fell in love with her and offered to send her 30.000 bahts per month so she could stop working and be his girlfriend. She told me he was really cute and she could feel he loved her, still she plainly declined the offer as it wasn't enough money for her purpose and plans.

I don't think she was a bad girl at all, in fact she gave me really good advice and helped me understand much more about this kind of lifestyle many girls in Thailand choose.

In regards your case, take it easy, keep on knowing each other and take only the decisions you feel comfortable with, whatever it comes from there no one knows. There is a lot of good advice on this thread from more experienced people, although most of the times people doesn't learn from other's experience.

I take what you said on board and will 100% listen, like I said i don't be sending money unless she goes home and if she doesn't I don't mind speaking with her and seeing her over FaceTime and seeing her when I go out there. 

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

In reply to your "????".

If you think of your post mentioning two men (only) and 6,000 baht – I presume it was 2 x 3,000 baht – you might realize that 10,000 baht a month is not much, that's what a low wage job pays in Thailand, cleaning in a hotel often pays little more, and normally giving you Social Security on top.

 

Most girls have for longer than a decade asked for not less than 20,000 baht a month plus some extra, which could be quite a bit for many (about £500), but understandable if you begin to calculate; today even 30,000 baht a month is more like "the going rate". A young attractive girl – she don't need to be sexy, charming and smiling means a lot more in this game – can perform up to 20+ services a month, which can equal 60,000 baht or more, plus extras for this drinks, and tips, and gifts; a 70,000 baht a monthly income is not impossible, rather the norm for many.

 

Would you stop working for your "good salary" if someone offered you 1/7th of that..?

 

You shall also take "face" into consideration, or rather "loosing face". She might not be able to return to her family and village with a 10,000 baht a month income, without loosing face; money is important, but face can be more important.

 

As I read your post, she might rather keep all her options open. Mind you, even she might be new i the bar-game, the girls talks a lot with each other, and get advises from the more experienced "love entrepreneurs". Some girls might accept a 10,000 baht a month donation, but won't stop working, as it's far from enough to cover her expenses (I know girls like that).

 

If she mean "good hearth" in bar-girl-English, she say "farang (foreigner) with much money". 

 

She seems like a cleaver girl.

????

I could pay 20,000 baht a month to her and still be comfortable however anymore than that and it would effect my comfortable life at home lol 

She meant good heart, as in the body organ.

About the 2 x 3,000 you could be correct, I am not to sure to be honest. She wasn't keen on talking about it.

I won't send any money unless she gets out of the bar and moves home. If she did then I could consider 30,000 bath a month with me going there for 7-10 days every 3 months.

I dont know it's all weird and complicated, no money has been exchanged as of yet other than the 1,000 for the passport.

5 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

My my , 17 pages and counting... this is a thread close to our hearts. 

 

 

 

 

17 pages less than 24 hours lol 

6 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

who are you and what are you talking about?

I'm the OP lol