Despondent Foreigner

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Hello all.

just a quick question regarding yellow tabien bahn books. What is the best way to go about obtaining one? When we moved into out house the woman at the juristic office said she cannot put me in the blue book as im not thai, she never mentioned anything about the yellow book - I had to find out about it myself online.

i have heard that it can be difficult to get and GO’s can refuse for any reason.

what is the best thing to say to them if they ask me what do I need it for?

any advice greatly appreciated 

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Enough with the Dual Pricing gripe???  That’s the thread. Why are you responding?

 

And... you are wrong on all your examples. My Wife’s Thai Cousin how has an English Passport after working there for a handful of years - her child will get free education in the UK.

Your ‘shifting of the goalposts’ takes on additional measure as it also identifies how difficult it is for foreigners to obtain Thai Nationality (if they wanted it) compared to Thai’s in our home countries. In using this example you’ve highlighted that the issue is worse !!!

 

Your comparison of ‘out of state vs in state’.... All the US citizens need to do is to move state and a foreigner living in State paying US tax and having done so for long enough to make them eligable for residency’s status (and in many cases Citizenship) can get the local rate. 

 

The only thing thats right about your post is that this is not a racial issue. Its not, its potentially an anti-foreigner issue... known as xenophobia.

richard_smith237 for PM!

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Each and every time I go to Koh Samet - I have to pay the Foreigner price, each time we have the same debate with the 'park-guards'...  They've even tried to charge my Son because he's not 100% Thai !!! (but ultimately conceded with a Thai Passport). 

 

I've also seen the 'Park-guards' in arguments with Chinese tourists who are charging them twice or more... i.e. They have the receive for park entry the previous day, but have excited the park to go to the shops the next day and then reentered the park to their accommodation, he guards stop them telling them their receipt is for yesterday !!! (its apparently a common scam run by the Park Guards on Koh Samet).

 

 

The Policy pasted below from donim's post also outlines that foreigners regardless of status pay the foreign price... Thus, if you stevenl get the Thai price you may be the exception as at National Parks the Policy is ALL Foreigners pay the foreigner price - it is this policy which is disagreeable. 

 

 

 

Seems like you have a degree in hitting the nail on the head.

Nice work Richard.

6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

  Going to a Song Kran party this afternoon where they will prepare special food for me and have a special chair for me

Will they be serving you caviar on a golden stool?

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

they are protecting the habitat of tigers and elephants

Just for the record some organizations also drug tigers and beat elephants with pickaxes.

Don't even get me started on the monkeys and crocodiles. 

3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You want the prices adjusted, tell me which way you think would be best for Thailand, to up the Thai price or to lower the foreigner price.

Can you grasp a one price for all idea?

No foreigner price, no thai price. 

Just one universal human price.

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

So which do you want, the prices to be upped for all and some Thai's be priced out, or the prices to be lowered for all and the parks get less funding?

The setting of price is up to the government or whatever body sets the prices, not me. If its 20 baht for all, OK. If it's 200 baht for all then so be it. Point is, one price for all people. Thai, British, American, Danish, Syrian, Tongan. Everyone should pay the same.

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

 What can they do

They can start by charging everyone, regardless of nationality, the same price to enter.

That would be a great start in my book.

12 minutes ago, Jazz5555 said:

  Thais pay taxes foreigners don’t 

I pay tax every month through my company, as do many other foreigners I know that live here.

Your above statement is a complete fallacy.

11 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Is it really charging more to the foreigner or giving a discount to Thais ?

 

If the price is 200 for foreigners and 100 for Thais is that double price or a 50% discount ?

It's the same result either way. The foreigner still pays more.

6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

They charge Brits more than Florida residents.  I think that's the same.

Okay, let's say for a moment that they charge brits more than florida locals, does that make it right? Why can't Thailand lead the way and show they are all about equality instead of extortion? Why not set the good example by charging everyone the same fee, regardless of nationality?

Many countries around the world do not operate a two tier pricing system. The choice of which way to go is up to Thailand.

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

Disney World asks for a Florida Drivers license and you get a lower price.  I think that's the same isin't it? 

No, it isn't.

8 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

In the UK many attractions and transport firms, including bus and rail,  theatres and cinemas, offer a lower entry price for those on a UK state pension and those on UK benefits, including work related benefits.  By definition these are always UK citizens, or those with 'indefinite Leave to remain' in the UK, a designation not available to expats in LOS.  

Not even remotely comparable to what I experienced today, but try again if you like!

5 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

Duel pricing happens in every country.

Could you provide some examples please?

As you said 'every country' I specifically would like some examples from westernized countries, preferably from: Australia, New Zealand, USA, UK, Denmark, Norway & Germany.

Thanks in advance!

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

too over sensitive mate. 

Nothing wrong with being offended by racism and xenophobia. Where would we be if middle america thought black people were being 'too oversensitive' during the civil rights movement of the 1960's? Stuck somewhere in the 1700's, that's where!

Racism is racism, regardless if it is black/white or whatever color person is experiencing it. It creates hardships and ill feelings for all involved. 

32 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Who pays for the upkeep then ?

I would have gladly paid to enter if everyone was paying to enter.

Just imagine this scenario for a minute: Thai national that has been living in the UK for 5 years wants to visit Madame Tussauds in London. She is really excited about the trip and has been looking forward to it for years. Herself, her English husband and 2 kids jump in the car and drive on down to London from up north. Upon arrival there is a sign outside that says "Today is Madame Tussauds Birthday and to celebrate we are waiving the entry free for the first 100 people. Come on in!" Luckily they arrived just as the doors were opening so they were first in through the foyer. Even more excited now she grabs her two kids and walks with her husband to the ticket desk when she is confronted by the cashier who says "ah, sorry madam, it's only free for english people, not asians." Unfortunately she still hasn't got her British passport yet and has been living on a marriage visa instead. She leaves London feeling totally unwanted and completely let down, as do her kids and her husband.

Do you see the problem yet?

2 minutes ago, MJKT2014 said:

Couldn't you have handled this differently, especially for one married with kids?

Not really no. Especially when my wife and her family are in agreement with me that I shouldn't pay a penny if they don't have to. I handled it the way it should be handled. Hopefully one day someone will take note and do the right thing by removing these xenophobic rules that target foreigners. 

4 minutes ago, Henryford said:

I would have done the same. Disgusting they have differential pricing based on skin colour. I presume the OP was a thai resident with a thai family. Imagine trying that in the West with a coloured family.

Yes indeed. The tabloids would have an absolute field day!

The place that did it would be shut down or at the very least ostracized by the local community. Here it's just a case of 'move along folks, nothing to see here, just another disgruntled farang who doesn't understand thai culture.'

It's disheartening to say the least.

6 minutes ago, batata said:

some contradiction with your comments, quote """" Well we were all disgusted and proceeded to drive back down to the bottom of the waterfall where we could all swim for free. """ end of quote.

at the bottom of this waterfall, as with most other waterfalls, it opens up into a small river. There is no manned gate on the river so everyone can swim there for free. I was only asked to pay as we were entering the Promlok national park area. All the Thais however got in for free.