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Anyone have experience or heard of anyone getting a thai tourist visa in Manila? What was their experience?
I'm considering going for one of these next week.
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1 hour ago, lkv said:
That was sarcasm ????
I'm serious. When it comes to things being "worth it" it's all relative.
52 minutes ago, sweatalot said:I wonder why so many long stayers on the wrong visa (obviously not aware that they are cheating) believe they have a right to be admitted to Thailand.
They should try to enforce their right to be allowed to stay in China or NK or, or ...
He should know that he has not legal right to be allowed to enter the country. If he don't play to their rules he has to accept what IOs decide.
He should check how foreign long stayers on Tourist visa are treated in his humane and high morality country
The lawless is him - not Thai Immigration.
Would have to agree I have no legal right to enter the country and it's at the discretion of immigration, especially in practice. However I also have a right to enter via any border I want, nothing illegal about that, nothing illegal about giving my passport to Thai immigration and then stamping it saying I can stay here.
In the end what is right and what is legal doesn't matter that much, this is Thailand where everything is very very grey. It's not what's written as the rules so much as what will actually happen in practice.
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6 minutes ago, lkv said:
Well should it get denied, it's no biggie I guess. Only 500K/1M down the drain. Not the end of the world.
Agreed
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Already sent application for TE, will make a TE thread after I get results on that. Those who have warned me about to overstay on record potentially impacting success TE completion have been considered but don't think it will be an issue for reasons previously stated in this thread. In either case we will find out in a month or so once TE is fully processed or denied
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Update: successfully entered via laos friendship bridge visa exempt, no questions asked
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Leaving to Vientiane direct in a few hours.
My passport looks like:
page 1 of visas: thailand exit stamp + stamp showing details of tourist visa from last passport + 14 day overstay stamp
page 2: cambodia visa
page 3: cambodia entry/exit stamp + thailand denial of entry stamp (
page 4: empty
page 5: cambodia visa
page 6: cambodia entry stamp
By the time I try to cross to Thailand later tonight, I will have another cambodia exit stamp, a Laos visa + laos entry/exit stamps (i think). That's a pretty ugly looking passport + the fact I'm trying to get in 2 calendar days after being denied means that if I get in, pretty much anyone has a decent shot via land borders.
Will update results for good measure <removed>
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update: was escorted to my flight by Cambodian airline staff + airport security, they were both nice enough, the security guy made a point of looking at me and saying good bye before I entered the plane but they do take this procedure pretty seriously
During this whole time I still do not have my passport, they Cambodian airline staff handed it to one of the flight attendants on the plane and instructed her to hold onto it until we arrived in PNH. I was seated in the back of the plane and told I must wait for everyone else to leave the plane before I could. Once we arrived in PNH, I still didn't receive my passport and it was then handed to some immigration supervisor (not sure of his position but everyone around was giving him a lot of respect), he reviewed it and explained in Cambodian to his staff what my situation was (or at least what he thought it was), he advised me to not go back to Thailand, gave the passport back to Cambodian airline staff who then babysat me through the visa on arrival procedure. This was all in good nature, just a bit annoying.
Analysis: The airline took their responsibility to bring me back to PNH very seriously, custody of passport also taken very seriously, it seems like they had some legal obligation to do so or at least a strong policy - I did ask for my passport back on the flight and they said they couldn't. Somewhere on this website I heard the warsaw convention cited which has to due with the carrier being responsible for baggage that is damaged or not delivered to the destination - can this apply to passengers to? Not sure but it is some form of precedent or reference.
WRT Cambodian immigration looking at my passport and analyzing my situation + baby sitting me until i passed through their immigration (I only finally got my passport handed back to me just before I walked through Cambodian immigration). It seems less likely they had any obligation to do this and more likely they are just having fun and/or bored. They didn't ask me any questions or express any concerns.
Side rant: Booking my flight from BKK to PNH was a nightmare, the Cambodian Air website has not accepted credit cards since January of this year. There was 3 other websites online that sold this flight: trip.com which at the last point of booking says "flight no longer available" and then removed it as an offering, kiwi.com which booked my flight and then sent an email 1 hour later saying "booking canceled", edreams.com which charged me, never sent me a confirmation letter, and when I called them 2-3x just said they "cannot confirm flight, call Cambodian air" and then gave me the wrong number to cambodian air :D. I kept trying to phone the cambodian air representative to pay in cash and they said I had to pay online, I said "OK sure, where the <deleted> do I pay online? I tried your website and every website online that offers your flight, trust me I have nothing better to do right now and there is no where to buy this flight online". we went back and forth on this 3-4x where I hungup and tried to book the flight again, call edreams, etc., started to feel like I was in the twilight zone. Finally they said I could pay in cash (I asked for this repeatedly all day), price 70$, of course I said okay. They phoned back 20 minutes later and said "sorry sir, actually the price is 220$", I lol inside and say "okay" again. Price online $55, initial price quoted by staff $70, last minute jacked up to $220. Looks like some Cambodian airline staff's girlfriend will be getting a nice gift care of yours truly.
Advice: I've said this before on this thread already but single best piece of advice I can give is if you are in any doubt at all of your ability to get in to Thailand via air, make sure you: 1) fly in early so you have many opportunities to fly out before you have to spend the night in detention 2) fly in on an airline with many flights and with flights back to your port of origin later on in that day (at least 4h after you arrive as thats about how much time you'll need to be processed, meet airline staff, and book a flight, 5h+ probably better)
Obviously not getting into this situation in the first place is more important but there is plenty of advice from more qualified people than me already on this forum, I haven't seen the above anywhere yet.
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28 minutes ago, natway09 said:
So you showed them a lease agreement which made him smile & think
"I was right, he is living here"
Get your house in order we have been warned for 3 years now
They never asked actually, they didn't care about the details of my situation, their minds were made up very early
29 minutes ago, myshem said:how is the food ? and bed ?
Could be worse but pretty shit. Guards and staff are as nice as can be expected
7 minutes ago, Letseng said:And Elite path may be blocked with your immigration history.
Not impossible, I read the TE thread, there is a lot of talk and very few facts in there. The loudness of the anti TE argument is going to be lopsided because there is a lot of people who can't afford TE and don't want others to have it either. All in all I don't think Thailand wants to dissuade people from spending money on these visas and allowing them to spend further money in their country
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10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
I flew PP to DMK to CNX with Air Asia earlier this week.
I was shown to DMK immigration in the 'pass to domestic' lane at DMK and can assure you it was DMK immigration who stamped me in before I boarded my domestic Air Asia flight to Chiang Mai.
Maybe you misunderstood before when i said "via DMK", i'd be going from phnom penh to DMK to vientiane, do you think that would have me crossing thai immigration at any point?
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2 minutes ago, Greer said:
I am having a lot of trouble understanding the thought processes here - you have been denied entry, you had a previous 14 day overstay, they believe you are not here travelling, but have some other motive, and when you get your passport back, it is distictly possible that you will have a ban that precludes entry for some time.
AND NOW, you are contemplating attempting to flout the regulations and try to get back in by some other entry point.
If it happens that you have an entry ban, and you try to re-enter, you might just end up multiplying any ban by several years, or perhaps doing time in an immigration detention centre again, or even worse.You must NOT try to find ways around it, you need to look VERY carefully at the passport, and also ask if there is any ban, and next time, get a proper visa.
Work within the system, and you will be fine, but you apparently have not learned anything as a result of this latest round of problems - sorry if that sounds unpleasant, but honestly, you have brought this on yourself.
Good luck, but please do listen and learn.
no ban in passport just a denial stamp, the IO told me I am only not allowed in _this time_ so there isnt any kind of ban going on
As I understand it, I'm allowed to enter thailand via land twice per calendar year visa exempt, what rules am I breaking by going directly to laos to cross via land? it might be a bit cheeky and some IO's may take offense and deny entry
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1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:
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I am going to assume that some time in your childhood your parents dropped you on your head and then beat you.
You just flew into BKK and got into difficulty now you want to fly in again "vientenne via DMK" because you are in too much of a hurry.
It was being in too much of a hurry that caused your issues in the first place.
Are you that thick or dense that you can not understand that doing the same thing will get the same results.
Out of everything people here have said there is only one real option and that is to go to Savankhet and enjoy a few days there.
Or please fly into DMK and spend some time in the detention holding are there JUST DO NOT WHINE TO US.
connecting flights via DMK do not interact with immigration at all, i'll admit it's a bit obnoxious but close to 0 risk
1 hour ago, BritManToo said:Why not just stay in PP for a day/month? Or get on a bus the next day/week?
It's only $5 to the centre of PP then $10-15 for a room for the night.
Why so desperate to return to Bangkok immediately?
PS.
I went from Vietnam (HCMC) to Cambodia (PP) on a bus around 10 days back, cost $10.
Nobody cared about me at the border, they just wanted the $30 tourist VISA fee.
I have my reasons for needing to return and not interested in taking a vacation or chilling on beaches atm.
Objectively speaking, what risks am I even taking by attempting to enter via land? Isn't worst case scenario I get denied and walk it off? Why you guys have your panties in such a knot?
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So I arrive in PNM at about 9:30pm, from there I narrowed it down to 3 options:
1) stay at the airport and fly to Vientiane at 6:30am via DMK, arrive at 11am, cross via friendship bridge, take domestic flight to bangkok @ udon thani
1a) some of you have said Savannakhet is a very good option, is it significantly better than friendship bridge? the lack of flights and land distance from Vientiane means not arriving here until friday morning so it's less attractive
2) hire a driver to take me directly from PNM airport to Cambodia land crossing in koh kong, take domestic flight to bangkok from trat -- open to other cambodian land crossings, everyone just keeps saying avoid poi pet so yeah
3) fly to KL -> Penang and land border cross there (friend with denial stamp got through here recently with a SETV made in georgetown)
leaning towards 1, if it fails i'd get a flight to Savannakhet the next morning, then try and get an SETV and cross there
I would try 2 but driving through the Cambodian country side with a stranger in the middle of the night towards a shady border that I haven't been able to get much information on seems pretty sketchy, does anyone have recent'ish experience crossing Cambodian land borders?
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19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:if you sat there with your smartphone and booked a ticket out in 2-4 hours time, I think it'd be hard for them to justify not letting you get on it. There are flights to KUL every 30 minutes for about 2,000bht.
man I tried this very hard, i told them there is a flight in 1h to X, I'm gonna take it. I tried it again this morning full bluffing saying I already had a ticket on X flight. They countered with robot policy "you must wait for the airline representative and can only exit with that airline" there is no wriggle room that I can find on this here
if anyone is ever coming into bangkok via airport and suspects they might not be let in, make sure you come early in the day on an airline with frequent flights, so in the unfortunate case you are not let into the country, you have plenty of opportunity to leave quickly and spend little to no time in the detention center-
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25 minutes ago, Rama said:
you're just the exact person immigration is targeting, someone who is gaming the system - you're living in bkk - you're not 'traveling' - have a lease agreement, etc., you're not a tourist! get a real visa!
absolutely true
ED or TE are over due, have just been lazy
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If i remember correctly (i read it a couple times before i signed it) there is 3-4 sections on this and each of them are translated into english.
- they address it to "alien" or something at the top
- not allowed into thailand
- state a reason "insufficient means for being in thailand" or something like that, i remember the numbers 12 and 2 (they didnt care how much money i had on me or in my bank account)
- must stay in the detention centre, must not try to run or any other BS, must be ready for expulsion at any time
i dont remember anything about payment or airlines on this document, that doesn't mean there isn't any interaction between paying for detention center and this document but it isnt stated explicitly
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23 minutes ago, BritManToo said:Reports are they only take that policy seriously if you sign the forms (which you foolishly did).
If you refuse to sign there is room for negotiation on the destination of flights out.
Do you know this for a fact? The situation I was in when deciding to sign it or not was at 12am with the back office IO that processes all the paperwork, an airline rep and this robotic girl that was just stating and restating policy. The back office IO barely spoke English. I'm not saying your claim is not true but I ask if you know it for a fact because:
1) my sense of the situation was everyone was going through procedure and didn't have any power to do anything else
2) these are the only people in the world who can help you at the moment, pissing them off by refusing to sign routine paper work might not be a good idea
The must use same airline policy is pretty annoying for everyone, it forces pissed off detainees to stay in detention for longer, what incentive do the detention IOs have to trick you into signing something that locks everyone into that situation?
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4 minutes ago, sanemax said:
Ask whether you can fly from Bangkok to Chiang Mai , as they arent so strict in CM ?
When you get detained at bkk airport you are only allowed to leave bkk airport via the airline you flew in on. In my case that is Cambodia air and the only flight they have is back to PNM.
There is someone here from some random African airline that only comes to BKK every 4 days and they had to wait that long. Confirmed they take this policy seriously.
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3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
Almost certainly HCMC won't allow you entry (unless you already have a Viet multi entry VISA).
I'd try a flight to Kuala Lumpur.
Please post back what happens if you try HCMC.
Do you mean HCM is unlikely to give me a SETV? Or you mean Vietnam won't let me in?
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18 minutes ago, BritTim said:
A major motive for the SETV is to husband your visa exempts by land, using them only when you have no reasonable alternative. There are a various options for a (faster) SETV. If you go to Ho Chi Minh City, Hanoi or Saannakhet by tomorrow morning, you will have a visa by Friday afternoon. Of these, Savannakhet is the best option for entering Thailand by land. Unfortunately, flights to Savannakhet have become limited. If you can persuade your airline to fly you to Vientiane rather than back to Phnom Penh (usually negotiable if they fly there) it will be easier. Another option is to travel to Kota Bharu (Malaysia) where you can apply for a visa on Sunday, receiving your passport back with visa on Monday afternoon. If you feel none of this is reasonable, by all means burn a visa exempt by land. It should be no problem. Just be aware that you are using a valuable resource that you might need more urgently at a later time.
I see what you are saying. In my case since I'm going to immediately start the Thai elite process, I think it's reasonable to burn one of these.
Since I now have an overstay stamp and a 'denied entry' stamp on whatever it is, I do have concerns I'll be able to get in via land border even. Is that concern warranted? I mean are the IOs at land borders just blindly stamping people through?
Alternatively I could be at the Thai embassy in ho chi Minh tomorrow morning when it opens. A bit concerned since I've gotten an SETV here before + the 2 new ugly stamps.
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You guys think there is a big difference from having an SETV versus visa exempt when crossing via land border?
I ask because by the time I get to a thai consulate or an agency to process the visa for me, it will be thursday or friday, which means I will not receive the visa until next week. Meanwhile if visa exempt is not much different, I can do that as early as tomorrow morning (I land in Phnom Penh at ~9:30pm and then I'd just hire a car to drive me directly to the friendliest border in Cambodia, not sure where that is yet but looks like it'll be a 5-7h drive)
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OK so i'm completely retarded, here is the details:
- been in and out of Thailand for 1 year, mostly visa exempt (a good 8-10 in and outs, often from organic travel), only have 1 SETV that I got from Saigon in January
- recently had to renew my passport which took a long time to receive and resulted in me overstaying 14 days
- paid the overstay fine, uneventful, then went to Phnom Penh on Sunday the 21st with intention of getting a SETV
- all agencies I spoke said they would take 4 days to get me a visa, I decided i didn't want to wait that long and flew back to bkk last night without a visa (Tuesday the 23rd) - okay obviously this was lazy and retarded
- flew into BKK, the immigration officer asked me what I'm doing in Thailand, i said traveling, he took me off to some corner in the airport where there is s few cubicles and others being detained, some officers there asked me for my incoming and ongoing flight information which i provided them with, then they asked what I'm doing here, I said traveling once again, they didn't ask for any details really
- waited 1.5h or so then they took me to the detention area for processing
- I signed that document saying I'm not allowed entry into Thailand and I will be detained in detention room until I get a flight out
- the IO that processed me was nice enough to explain what was going on in as much detail as possible (i had to ask a few times but he was helpful when i inquired)
- he translated some thai on one of the documents and it said something along the lines of "unlikely to be a tourist, doing a standard visa run and trying to get back into thailand without a proper reason for being here" it also noted the overstay and that I have a history of coming and going many times (there was a document that lists all the in and outs)
- my passport also got some kind of denial stamp I think it had the numbers 12 and 2 on it (do not have access to passport at the moment lol)
- I'm Canadian, have 20k+ baht on me, bank records showing much more, lease agreement, but they never asked for any of this stuff or seem to care about it so I guess for this particular IO, the overstay + obnoxiously attempting a visa exempt entry after so many in and outs was enough for him to say OK <deleted> this guy
OK so what to do now?
I do live in Bangkok, have possessions and and ongoing lease here. Fully intend to re-enter. I have already started looking at Thai Elite to rid myself of these problems once and for all but that seems to take a few weeks at least. In the mean time, is it worth attempting a land border crossing? If so should I attempt to get a tourist visa first? (I have never entered thailand by anything but BKK and DMK). If so, which land border would be the best? I have to go back to Phnom Penh as per the policy here (anyone detained must use the same airline as they arrived with and in my case that is Cambodian Air which only has flights from BKK -> PNH so PNH will be my starting point. Looks like Penang in Malaysia or Savannakhet in Laos are my best options? or are some of the Cambodian crossings with the fixers also an option?
thx if you read this far, if you have any questions about being detained in bkk airport let me know, I have another 10 hours or so before my flight out and not much to do until then :)
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Tourist Visa from Thai Embassy in Manila
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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i'll give it a shot either way so i guess we'll have a trip report on this soon enough