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Long long time ago, I entered with a Non-O, which was extended yearly (Marriage).

My last extension expired, and I have since re-entered with a new VISA (F).

I'm going now for an extension of stay (Stay Permit), and apparently I may be asked to provide a letter to immigration to indicate that I request to cancel my initial Non-O ...

This does not make any sense to me, as well as to the staff in charge of assisting me ... but they (the staff) have had to do this for another person.

Why would immigration request a letter to cancel an expired VISA or Extension of Stay???

Anyone with similar experience?

Thanks. No problem to get in with the Foreign Passport and a nice stamp (a 30 day visa exempt stamp).

Could he now apply for an extension of stay (new permission of stay)? 7, 15, 30 days? ... even on a Visa exemption?

A Thai with 2 passports (Thai/Foreigner), who is applying in Thailand for a 3rd country Visa, has been suggested to exit Thailand (on his Thai Passport) and come back with his foreign passport in Thailand.

Next time he would go out of the country, he would exit Thailand on his Foreign passport, and then come back on his Thai Passport.

The reason for this situation, is that he is currently refused the VISA for this 3rd country, because he has no entry stamp on his foreign passport (which he will be using to travel in this 3rd country)

Any potential issue with this?

So far, I have been avoiding this issue, by always using Thai passport at entry/exit in Thailand.

Thanks

Just now, ubonjoe said:

A power of attorney can just be a statement that they authorizes you to do the report for them. Just their signature and a witness would be needed.

Correct. SamutPrakarn immigration provided a form for that.

13 hours ago, dentonian said:

 

You stated you had a yellow house book, so you either used your wife's blue house book or your landlords as the process of obtaining your book.

In which case they are the house master, so you don't need a power of attorney to complete a TM30

Just to follow-up on that. I have asked clarification today, and at least in Samut Prakarn immigration office, they will require the power of attorney, if the owner/house master is not making the notification in person.

8 minutes ago, dentonian said:

 

You don't need a power of attorney, the housemaster has never been required to visit Immigration.

They just want the TM30 and copies of the housemasters ID card and Tabian Baan.

That is not what has been explained to me.
 

They gave me a document with the required documentation, and the power of attorney is clearly listed.

12 minutes ago, elviajero said:

They are in their right to fine someone for not reporting your stay within 24 hours of arrival.

 

Did they let you fill out the TM.30 or want your wife/owner to do it?

They need the owner to fill it, but you can get a power of attorney, so the owner does not need to come at immigration.

Yes. That's what I have been told.

While doing the 90 days report at immigration, I was asked for the first time to produce this "Notification from house-master, owner, or the possessor of the residence where alien has stayed".

I kindly showed them my yellow book, and explained them that I live with the wife, but still, they wanted the document to be filled, as well as the fine for now doing the notification on time (24H after arrival).

I was under the impression that the yellow book would do, but no.

Everybody was nice and explained to me the documents required and handed over some flyers.

Where: Samut Prakarn Immigration.

You just need to submit a copy of your marriage certificate to prove your non-o visa was based upon marriage when it was issued. That is the normal procedure when applying for a work permit when applying with a non-o visa.

The BOI does no issue work permits the Labor Ministry still does them but under special rules. You can certainly get a work permit with a non-o visa.

Not at the one stop shop for BOI, they have the specific rule for a non B.

I have, more than once, got a work permit at the BOI one stop services, with a non-o VISA / extended based on mariage.

It's usually the agencies who perform this on behalf of the company/employee, who don't know the process.

You can apply early but they won't stamp your extension in your passport until the expiry date of your current extension. Thus if you apply 40 days early they will tell you to come back in 70 days to see the result of your application.

Last year, I did not have to wait 45+30 days, I got it on the same day as the expiration date of the extension.

The previous years, I would always get a 30 days "under consideration" stamp. Not this time.

The here is no 45 or 30 day wait. It is normal to for the report back date to be 30 days. If you went 30 days before your extension expired then is possible to get the extension stamp on the on the date it expires.

I assume that was for an extension of stay based upon marriage. Which immigration office was that at if it was?

Samut Prakarn and extension based upon marriage.

Just to correct my previous post, for my previous renewal, I would apply 30 days before or around the expiry date, and "the approval" never arrived on the expiry date. It would be a couple of days later, and was told to come back in 30 days. As I was travelling frequently this was a bit of a pain, and had to call the office to know when "the approval" was in.

Now, that I can apply 45 days before, It doesn't happen anymore.

I can see how the Samut Prakarn office has improved over the year ... as well as me getting better in preparing the application :-)

You can apply early but they won't stamp your extension in your passport until the expiry date of your current extension. Thus if you apply 40 days early they will tell you to come back in 70 days to see the result of your application.

Last year, I did not have to wait 45+30 days, I got it on the same day as the expiration date of the extension.

The previous years, I would always get a 30 days "under consideration" stamp. Not this time.

There is no requirement to do the new extension application 30 days before the date it ends. The 30 days is the earliest you can do it. You could the extension on the last day if you wanted to.

As long as you put the money in the bank 2 months before the date it ends you could get the extension done.

I have done mine 45 days earlier (Samut Prakarn).

BOI can issue you a WP, when you are on a Non-O (extension based on marriage).

I had to tell the company agent who was handling my paperwork, as they initially wanted me to fly out of the country ...

I see. Thanks for the correction. I was also told that by our lawyer.

Can they do the extension as well? Or you need do that separately?

For the extension of Stay (based on Visa), I don't think you can do this at BOI, but have to go to your normal immigration office.

The lawyers ... they are worthless ... in my previous company they insisted "to help me" with my Extension of stay (just to get their commission), but managed to screw it up ... I basically had to train them.

Some work permit offices will want 4 Thai employees while others will still do them with 2 employees. The ministerial regulation was changed sometime in late 2010 or early 2011 and now apparently states 4 employees is needed (I have not seen a copy of the regulation).

The most important thing is to include a copy of your marriage certificate with the work permit application to prove what the non-o or extension is based upon. If they try to say a non-b is needed firmly disagree with them since the regulations only state a non immigrant visa is needed.

Yes, Just had such experience when BOI tried to change my visa to NON-B Which of course I dont need at all, we are married for years and I prefer to stay on NON-O married, most flexible and independent from jobs type of visa

Generally foreign employees of BOI companies in Bangkok (and surrounds) have both extensions and WP's issued together at the One Stop Service Centre in Chamchuri Square. I'm pretty sure that if you are on a Marriage extension, you can't use that service. So perhaps that is why BOI would encourage you to go the Non-B route.

Not that I think you're wrong continuing with a marriage extension.. It is perhaps a little less convenient dealing with Immigration and a local Labour office separately but the less you have to deal with Immigration, the better.

My experience is that Labour Department offices are more reasonable and able to see the bigger picture to some degree. While Immigration is inflexible and blinkered towards written (and sometimes unwritten) regulations.

BOI can issue you a WP, when you are on a Non-O (extension based on marriage).

I had to tell the company agent who was handling my paperwork, as they initially wanted me to fly out of the country ...

I thought of buying a board game, but I'm not paying $1000 for a game just to get a set of dice that will cost a couple of bucks in the US. I'm considering asking a friend to bring a set from the US, but I don't want him to encounter difficulties if he is stopped at Customs. That's why I'm asking about the legality.

What game in Thailand could possibly be 35000B which has dice to begin with?

He probably meant THB and not US$ ...

Neither dice nor playing cards are illegal as long as it is not used for gambling.

...

Bad quality as with playing cards.

Thais in Germany always insisted to get good quality plastic cards from Thailand instead of the "local crap"

A popular souvenir from Thailand holidays.

As far as I know there is a specific tax on playing cards?

Interesting link about card factory in Thailand:

http://www.wopc.co.uk/thailand/playing-cards-factory

Could it be the tax receipt from your annual tax declaration with the Revenue Department?

http://www.rd.go.th/

I think you could ask the Revenue Department to re-issue it.

https://www.microsoft.com/surface/th-th/buy

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LOL, then somebody needs to tell the immigration officers who refused to let my wife enter Thailand with our 18 month old son in June 2009 on his Thai passport, insisting that she used his UK passport and again in October 2013 when they refused to allow my wife and 2 kids to enter Thailand on their Thai passports again insisting that they use their UK passports, my wife included who is Thai. When I asked how they knew my wife and kids had a UK passport we were told that they checked-in with UK passports, so don't sit there telling me not to comment on stuff I don't know about.

They can't deny them to entry with a Thai passport. They can hassle and try, but as soon challenged to a senior officer, they have to fold.

My thoughts exactly but 2 immigration officers refused to allow them in and like I said I wanted to allow my wife to handle it because I would have lost the plot which is the last thing that was needed.

I was in a similar situation for my son a couple of years ago.

When we came back to Thailand, we splitted and I took all the non-thai passport with me and passed first immigration to take the luggage.

They went with a different immigration officer and only had the thai passport with them. They got questioned her for 10/15 minutes, as the officers don't like this kind of discrepencies in their computer system.

They were told not to do it again, and no more issues now.

i have been told that the police has no right to keep your driving licence.

Once I was stopped at a checkpoint, and had this discussion with the cop.

He politely smiled and acknowledged, but mentioned that he had the right to have me blow in the breathanalyser.

Food for thought ...

Thanks Gerry for your input.

I can relate to what you say about feeling "lighter (mentally)", with more focus and clarity in your thoughts.

It's as if "this protective layer" had been dragging me down for so many years.

I strongly believe that not matter what diet change people make or how much physical exercices they do, if there is no action to address the root cause of what trigger them to use food as confort, to calm or difuse emotions, weight will remain for them a long term problem.

They might be able to win a battle or two, but sooner or later, they will lose the war.

Focusing on the food intake or the calories burned is only a short term solution, which may explain the low success rate of all those diets plan, in the long term.

After initiallly losing weight, somehow people unconsciously sabotage their own effort, to come back to a more confortable, but heavier, situation.

And the politician was?

Hmm ... local politician from the Samut Prakarn Province?

If you are looking for names, google "Samut Prakarn Corruption" ...