Blue Mango

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

The Germans got their act together and tested. If they hadn’t they’d be having the same issues as other countries. So far Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea have done likewise, with good results. They all learned the lessons from previous outbreaks like SARS. 

Spot on. As nasty as it was, SARS was a great rehearsal for those countries. 

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

German hasn't banned gatherings of more than two people, more than two people can still congregate outside if they are from the same household. The actual German distance prescription is smaller 1.50 m, not 2 m like in the UK. There are also a few other differences, but the key difference of the German approach is this:

 

From the start Germany has aggressively tested, identified and isolated carriers. This was possible in Germany because they had a lot of test kits which were produced quickly, and also a lot of icu beds (28000 to the UK's 5000), more respirators.

 

The UK has not tested in the same way as Germany, though recently BJ has announced he will. It is not testing in the same way however. Germany's testing approach is more aggressive.

 

But yes, in recent days there has been a convergence in that countries that hitherto had adopted different approaches, such as testing and isolating (Germany and Singapore or SKorea) or herd immunity (Netherlands) have  in fact also added the social distancing favoured in the UK, except Germany that had it a bit earlier than the UK. The UK of course has to rely on social distancing more because at least initially they do not have the testing or treatment facilities of others like Germany. That's what Neil Ferguson said in his report, that they did not consider testing because they did not have the test kits.

 

The reason why all the others are jumping on the social distancing bandwagon is perhaps that they saw the UK change from herd immunity approach to social distancing (suppression). This was because Neil Ferguson revised his paper radically and suddenly came to a very different conclusion.

 

Other countries would have seen how much the UK relies on social distancing and no doubt added it to the repertoire because it was seen as another measure, which probably works if the UK relies on it so much.

 

The evidence that social distancing works at all is very flimsy though, and is basically based on influenza pandemics. However the influenza virus is fundamantally different and transmission is different. Transmission with Covid19 is much quicker, because it's asymptomatic, ie by stealth, and because 50% of those infected show no symptoms at all. This means that the speed of the transmission works against social distancing. If it is the case that the UK is approaching 60% of infected then social distancing would make no sense anymore as herd immunity would be close. Not that it made that much sense to start with, as it merely delayed transmission a little bit, due to the speed of Covid19 transmission. That was not known when Ferguson penned his paper.

 

 

So, in a nutshell, Germany have also implemented social distancing. Therefore Germany are also following Ferguson. 

This Ferguson chap seems to wield more power and influence over Earthlings than General Zod ????

25 minutes ago, tomster said:

So based on 621,626 confirmed cases and 28,658 deaths we get a death rate of 4.6%.

 

You would agree this is about right, maybe a bit out either way but not too far off where the true value would be?

That 621k figure only tells us the number of confirmed cases. The death ratio would be considerably lower if we knew the true number of people infected - which we probably never will. 

36 minutes ago, Logosone said:

There is no question that many governments copied what the US and UK were doing. Singapore, South Korea, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands being some of the notable exceptions, and coincidentally being the most successful in mitigating deaths. 

I don't have the inclination to fact check all of your claims, but here's what I found on Germany after a 2 second search.  Sounds pretty much in line with the measures the UK implemented? 

Before entering quarantine, Merkel tightened Germany's lockdown measures including banning gatherings of more than two people. Last week, she called the disease the country's biggest challenge since World War II.

Germany has already closed down schools, non-essential shops and urged people not to gather in groups

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/german-chancellor-merkel-in-quarantine-as-country-bans-gatherings-of-more-than-two-to

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Here we have the good Dr Neil Ferguson on record:

 

"Our estimates – while subject to much uncertainty due to the limited data currently available – suggest that the impact of the unfolding epidemic may be comparable to the major influenza pandemics of the twentieth century."

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/195217/coronavirus-fatality-rate-estimated-imperial-scientists/

 

Fast forward one month and it's:

 

"UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower"

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/

 

And he's saying he didn't back-peddle, that sly little weasel....

 

He can go sit on a Christmas tree this stupidass Dr Ferguson. He's had the whole world closed down because 0.003% of the population of the UK may or may not die in the next few weeks, the majority of whom are over 80 years old and would have died anyway.

You say "He's had the whole world closed down because 0.003% of the population of the UK may or may not die in the next few weeks"

So you're saying all the governments across the world are following the advice of one British guy? And some say the British no longer have any influence... ????

55 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Excellent point and well made.

 

I'm still trying to digest that I can't go get a massage or go to a good restaurant because 0.003% of the UK will die in the next few months, most over 80.

 

 

You blame the UK for closing down restaurants and massage shops in Thailand? Is there anything you don't blame the UK for? ????‍♂️

17 hours ago, EricTh said:

Whenever I walk pass by somebody smoking, I can feel my throat starting to cough and phlegm swells within seconds.

This happens whenever you walk past somebody smoking? I think you should be tested for the Snowflake virus ????

2 minutes ago, piewarmer said:

1 hour ago, kenk24 said:

 

I once met a young marine in a bar who was bragging abt getting a bj for free in a bar down the block... I told him it wasn't free, he just stiffed her on the tip.. then he wanted to hit me.

I have had a few free samples for 30 seconds, it's not rare

And did you also stiff them on the tip? 

2 minutes ago, Nakmuay887 said:

Lol. From reading this comment I'd likely assume the "friend" is in fact you. 

 

I just spent 5 days in BKK and my hotel was literally next door, I didn't see a cop once inside of Nana plaza. Security yes, at the front entrance. The cops aren't standing over your shoulder watching what you do. Sure it's a free for all inside Nana plaza.. BUT I don't believe a word of whoever this story happened to. 

 

Also why the trouble over such a small amount of money? Your "friend" shouldn't be visiting such places or that area if he's broke. That's asking for trouble. He had the money to buy her a lady drink but not the money to pay her the 1k when an altercation happened? What did he expect to purchase with no money exactly? 

Maybe he just liked the music and the decor. That's why people go to Nana gogo bars , right? ????

7 minutes ago, plumberman123 said:

its no joke pal

 

hes had a terribkle experience

 

I'd say he learnt a valuable lesson. Pay the young lady who you allow to play with your trouser snake, or get banged up for the night. 

Did he think she was doing it because she couldn't resist him? 

1 hour ago, plumberman123 said:

He has said that he went into an ago go and a hooker sat with him, he bought her a drink and then she started giving him a handjob of which he didnt request.

So when he takes a lady back to his room, does he insist on a discount for all the things she does to him that he didn't request? Is he a lawyer by any chance? Or just tight maybe...????

On 1/15/2020 at 12:29 PM, BobinBKK said:

Soi 6? Don't you mean soi boom boom? Most bar fronts in Pattaya have rooms upstairs for boom boom and all the bar girls are for sale.

No offence, but this is like someone going on a forum for electricians and explaining how to wire a plug. 

On 1/15/2020 at 9:46 AM, Bugsy777 said:

The ladyboys can play pool with you, drink with you, funny as f***. Sure, they try and get a little more but if you're silly enough, you deserve it. Whenever it's time to move on I just politely explain that, yes they look beautiful, but I'm into girls.

Just curious - If you're into girls why would you be playing pool with ladyboys instead of with girls? 

And I disagree about LBs being beautiful. To me they just look like LBs ????

On 1/8/2020 at 10:30 AM, SkyFax said:

According to the NY Times (updated) Jan. 8, 2020, 4:39 PM Bangkok time

 

The airline said 167 passengers and nine crew members were on board.

Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s minister of foreign affairs, said the victims included 82 Iranians and 11 Ukrainians, including nine Ukrainian crew members. Sixty-three passengers were from Canada, 10 from Sweden, four from Afghanistan, three from Germany and three from Britain, he said.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-boeing-ukraine.html

The Iranian authorities say 147 of the passengers were Iranian, suggesting that 65 of the passengers were dual passport holders. I think it's safe to say virtually all of the passengers were Iranian, but some held foreign passports. So 63 of the passengers were probably Iranians who live in Canada. 

I don't think anyone without Iranian heritage would want to visit Iran, unless on a humanitarian mission to help the long suffering Iranian civilians.