NordicDemon

1 hour ago, realfunster said:

- Case fatality rates are running at 1.5-2.5% for developed countries with large scale, reliable testing programs and top-class health facilities. Go to the corona stats sites and check for yourself.

 

- Further, there are another, 10-15% of cases who require serious medical attention. So your glib '99% of all people can cure themselves' is completely disproven by my reckoning.

Not to be that guy, but what you write isn't entirely accurate either. Case fatality rates range from about 0.5% and upwards in developed countries with facilities like the ones you describe. For example in Norway, the fatality rate is about 0.75%. In regards to treatment, about 5% of cases in Norway have required hospitalization or serious medical attention. Of the cases requiring treatment, about 35-40% of patients are foreign-born by the way. 

8 hours ago, Trillian said:

Tourism is less than 12% of GDP it is not the main source of revenue by a long way.

In April of this year, Dhanin Chearavanont stated that 'The tourism industry is one of Thailand's main economic sectors, accounting for 16-17% of GDP.' Official government sources have frequently put forth similar statements while underlining the need for getting tourism going again for the sake of the overall Thai economy. This is because various enterprises indirectly linked to tourism suffer from a reduced customer base and low economic activity as well.

The Thai government and businesses hope that increased domestic tourism will manage to soften the blow from the lack of foreign tourists. I think such an increase will do that to some extent, but unfortunately for Thailand, it's likely that any positive impacts will be highly localized, and it's doubtful that an overall increase in domestic tourism will be significant enough for its industry to overcome the many challenges it faces as a whole. 

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I disagree , White kids are also told (by their parents)  to do what a Policemen says (and not to be rude)

Generally speaking, that might be true. However, statistics from the Department of Justice show that White people, more often than any other group in the U.S, are shot to death by the police. From 2017 until 2020, about 40% of those shot to death by the police were White, about 22% were Black, about 16% were Hispanics and about 22% were others. 

15 hours ago, Parsve said:

And in the same time researchers in Europe try to find out if nicotin have any positive effect on Corona as they have found out that there is less smokers than non-smokers that have been infected.

That's true. With information emerging from different countries, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health no longer consider smoking a distinct risk factor for severe COVID-19 progression. Smoking was removed from list of risk factors in April of 2020. Statistics from Norway also indicate that smokers are less vulnerable to COVID-19 progression than the general population. Similar findings have been made in the UK, and in other countries as well, as far as I understand. But one should keep in mind that diseases related to smoking might still be considered risk factors. 

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Over 2000 by end of the wk. Maybe more. It depends how they are testing and assigning cause of death. Heard that Germany is putting cause of death down to underlying conditions. If you get the virus and that complicates the uderlying condition that leads to death then it's the underlying condition that killed you. The fact that this would not have happened if you did not get the virus doesn't matter. Germany as of yesterday: 62,465 cases with 541 deaths. Anyway I still think Thailand's numbers do not reflect what's happening. Back to Don't test. Don't tell. And also how are they determining cause of death. Still where i am there's high 90% wearing masks. The next couple of wk should show if this is flattening out. Of course if there was more much testing we would be seeing a different picture.

I agree with most of what you wrote. But while I'm not stating that you're wrong about Germany, I doubt that's true in its case. The mortality rate of covid-19 in Germany is only a bit higher than in Norway, where it's about 0.55%, and Norway doesn't automatically attribute the cause of death to an underlying condition either. While every infected person who've died in Norway have had an underlying condition, the causes of death for those are still registered as covid-19. https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/

But I definitely agree with you that Thailand's numbers may not reflect what's happening. As you wrote, it comes down to testing and assigning cause of death. Because of those issues, we might not see an exponential growth in the infection rate or death rate in Thailand at all, especially if testing doesn't become more widespread. The mortality rate of covid-19 in Thailand will likely appear to remain very low as well. But something similar might happen with large-scale testing too, as seen in Germany and Norway. Both countries have tested a relatively large number of people and identified several cases in every age group ranging from 0-100+. As most people won't become seriously ill from covid-19, and young and healthy people cope better with the infection than others, that brings the mortality rate down statistically.

While it's interesting to compare statistics, I agree with the other posters who have pointed out that the methods may differ significantly between countries. The procedures for testing and access to testing equipment vary, and some countries, such as Thailand, have significant regional differences in terms of services. The quality of documentation may vary as well. For example in Norway, we don't register or publish recovered or so-called cleared cases, at least as far as I know. However, the number of tested and infected people is registered, as well as the number of hospital admissions linked to Covid-19, type of treatment required and deaths.

The Norwegian Directorate of Health publishes updated statistics every day and here are some figures from Norway for those who might be interested. As of March 22, 54393 people in Norway have been tested for Covid-19 and 2132 have tested positive. The average age of the infected people is 47 years, 54.7% are men and 45.3% are women. Of those infected, 169 are admitted to hospital for observation or treatment, and 32 of them have received intensive care. A total of 7 people have died due to Covid-19 and the average age of those who died is 89 years. The mortality rate of Covid-19 in Norway is currently at 0.33%.

Edit: Source https://www.helsedirektoratet.no/english

4 hours ago, legend49 said:

Yes why would a soldier need to keep that at home when no one is at war? Other countries weapons are locked in an armory.

In some countries military personnel, whether they're regulars or reserves, need to have weapons at home due to their assignments. For example, some soldiers in the Norwegian Home Guard have weapons and ammunition at home if they are part of a rapid reaction force, because it would take them too much time travelling to the nearest armory, pick up the weapons and then travel to their mission area. These weapons are required to be stored in a certified weapons locker when at home though, and the personnel are to inform the household about safety and risks.

6 hours ago, baansgr said:

Lots are going to Vietnam but that's tedious with max three months...

I agree, it's possible for some to get a one-year visa though. One of the things Vietnam does right, in my opinion, is giving a foreign national the option of permanent residency when the person is the spouse, parent or child of a Vietnamese citizen residing permanently in Vietnam. The path towards citizenship is also fairly straight-forward as foreign nationals may apply for Vietnamese citizenship after being permanent residents for five years.

A Thai wife may be entitled to a survivor's pension from Norway and/or transitional benefits even if she as the surviving spouse has never lived in Norway. But it all depends on several factors, for example, the duration of marriage, if the deceased was a member of the Norwegian National Insurance Scheme and the duration of said membership, the age of the deceased, the age of the survivor, number of children and so on.

The Norwegian Embassy might assist you, but it will likely refer you to NAV (Norwegian Labour and Welfare Administration) which is responsible for handling all such cases. It might be best to email NAV directly and call a case worker there if you have any questions. I recommend that you read some of the online documentation before you contact them. That way you can outline all the specifics and questions you have about the procedures, benefits etc.

Norwegian Labour and Welfare Administration (NAV):
https://www.nav.no/en/home

Information about survivor's benefits. I advise you to read this carefully:
https://www.nav.no/en/home/benefits-and-services/relatert-informasjon/benefits-for-surviving-spouse

By the way, she has claims on any inheritance both in Norway and abroad, including real estate, household goods, bank deposits and other assets. A surviving spouse has, according to Norwegian law, an undisputed claim on 25% of the inheritance, even if the deceased had children and the spouse is a foreign citizen. A spouse has a priority claim, meaning that she shall receive her share of the inheritance before any other survivors. That share shall however not be valued to less than 4 times the Norwegian Social Security Rate (G), and 4 times the rate (1G=99,858 NOK) amount to about 1,350,000 Baht. So in certain circumstances, a spouse's share can exceed 25%. Keep in mind that creditors may lay claim to certain parts of the estate such as properties, but various debts will also be written off and Norwegian law stipulate that debts cannot be transferred to any survivors without their consent.