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4 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Incorrect. I'm a UK. tax payer and contribute to the U.K. economy in other ways too. As I'm not availing myself of any of the benefits of that tax I'm effectively subsidizing the U.K. resident taxpayers. All I'm asking for in return is fairness in the uprating of the State Pension.

Barking at the moon. It's been this way for 70 years and isn't going to change.

On 4/30/2024 at 10:57 AM, sambum said:

 

Where did you get that date from? I've been trawling many sites, and can't seem to get anyone to tie it down to a particular time or ruling.

 

The best I have come up with is "70 years" or  "more than 70 years"

 

Thanks in advance!

Here it is:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01457/SN01457.pdf

On 6/2/2024 at 2:09 AM, Baht Simpson said:

That's idiotic. If we all returned home all our pensions would be uprated and we would all get higher pensions which the taxpayers including yourself would have to fund. Not to mention all the U.K.benefits that are denied us. Be careful what you wish for. 

If if if. Ofcourse if.  But utterly irrelevant.  The government doesn't pay in contravention of  the statutes on the basis of ifs.

Ofcourse it's fine if people return to reside in U.K.  They'll then be contributing to the economy, if not by paying income tax, at least by spending and paying VAT and increasing circulation in the economy. Not idiotic at all.  What you're looking for is a U.K. sized pension in Thailand sized price environment, without contributing anything  to the U.K. current account to pay for it.  Quite self-centred and greedy really.

4 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

What a terrible injustice, misdirected penny pinching bureaucrats with no compassion. It's a crime against humanity. 

Rubbish - it's been that way for good reason for 70 years.  People now complaining knew exactly what they would be getting when they made their decision.  Their lack of planning is not a justification for me paying more tax to fund their idiocy and poor decision-making.

5 hours ago, Gknrd said:

Every day while I am traveling I thank my lucky start I am from the US. 

A lot of EU retirees have it very nice also.

This is just government robbery...

Rubbish - it's been that way for good reason for 70 years.  People now complaining knew exactly what they would be getting when they made their decision.  Their lack of planning is not a justification for me paying more tax to fund their idiocy and poor decision-making.

5 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

While your comment may have merit outside of this topic, your lack of compassion for the woman in this story speaks loudly as to YOUR character. 

Rubbish - it's been that way for good reason for 70 years.  People now complaining knew exactly what they would be getting when they made their decision.  Their lack of planning is not a justification for me paying more tax to fund their idiocy and poor decision-making.

18 hours ago, sidneybear said:

That's sad. There's no reason, other than cruelty, for the British government to freeze overseas pensions of people who have paid National Insurance all their lives.

Rubbish - it's been that way for good reason for 70 years.  People now complaining knew exactly what they would be getting when they made their decision.  Their lack of planning is not a justification for me paying more tax to fund their idiocy and poor decision-making.

On 4/26/2024 at 8:40 AM, orchis said:

I think 2000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_state_pension

1946

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Can't give you anymore money because illigal immigrants are very expensive for the budget. You may be a British national but you are overseas and as such a lesser person to those who aren't Brits who have got a leaky boat to the Isles. It's a very, very sad world.

This is simply racist.  The policy of only uprating U.K. state pensions in countries with which the U.K. has a reciprocal social security agreement has been in place for 70 years unaffected by the recent increase in immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

13 hours ago, worgeordie said:

it's called  inflation , Brexit did not help , Then Covid  , ,I don't think anyone thought  things

would turn out like this , I am still on 90 quid a week ,good job I don't need it as provided

for myself before retiring at 42 , But I can feel for those relying here on pension only, no

way will we get any relief from the British Government ,too busy looking after immigrants.

 

regards Worgeordie

That's an unsupportable accusation.  The "freeze" is not pro-actively operated as such.   Uprating only exists for expats in countries which have a reciprocal Social Security agreement with the U.K.  Expats emigrating to countries that don't have such reciprocal arrangements would know that before making their decision to emigrate (it's been like this for over 70 years).  So why all the hew and cry now?  Inflation was much much worse in the 80s anyway and things rolled on just the same.

13 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

interesting:

 

Most British Commonwealth countries are included in the frozen list;[8] these include countries, such as Australia, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Thailand and India, as well as British overseas territories such as the Falkland Islands.[9]

 

Wonder if Thailand knows the Brits claim it.

 

from here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_state_pension

The "freeze" is not pro-actively operated as such.   Uprating only exists for expats in countries which have a reciprocal Social Security agreement with the U.K.  Expats emigrating to countries that don't have such reciprocal arrangements would know that before making their decision to emigrate (it's been like this for over 70 years).  So why all the hew and cry now?

13 hours ago, orchis said:

I think 2000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_state_pension

No. It was over 70 years ago.

13 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

What year did the frozen pension policy come into effect ?

 

More than 70 years ago according to the U.K. government website

18 hours ago, Neeranam said:

English, not Scots. Don't tar us all with the same brush.

I've worked with two nonces, both were americans. 

One was called Prowler ! 

Ha ha - you're all Brits

It's an illness of the mind - and no number of pitchfork yielders such as many of the commentators here, or extreme treatment of the teacher as they suggest, will ever safeguard children in future. In fact it will drive the sick minded further into secrecy instead of confessing the tendencies and getting help before it's too late.

People of that illness need to be encouraged to get real about their issue, admit it and get treatment.  Same as paranoid schizophrenics - locking some up after the event doesn't stop the rest going on murderous rampages (witness the current case in U.K. where the guy did admit to police and go to seek help but didn't get it and then killed 3.)

Society needs to work with the realities  that these illnesses exist and do what it take to prevent rather than only crudely punish after the event.

13 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

"Pita To Become PM"

 

So the leader of a party that scored about 151 out of 500 parliamentary seats becomes automatically PM? Interesting!

Largest party vote and number of seats in the elected house.  How else would you have it?  Keep the old guard as a matter of course???

17 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Take drugs, face the consequences

 But the consequences should be humane!!

On 4/25/2023 at 11:15 AM, billd766 said:

For what?

I meant gratitude for cheap electricity in Thailand !!  - Not for my writing - I'm not that vain lol

17 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

 Alcohol can be advertised in the UK subject to what most would consider "sensible" regulation IE not targeting young people for example. It can also be advertised on facebook (apparently)

I am neither a heavy drinker nor an alcoholic, nor am I ignorant of the potential damage it may cause to certain individuals.

Most people posting on this thread are aware of the real reasons for the legislation, the bias you mention is against the overt hypocrisy 

You can discuss this at length during the next meeting of the temperance society with other like minded people

There is a very thinly veiled advertisement for "Regency" shown regularly on Thai TV complete with a health warning 

Sorry  - don't know about "Regency"

The point of the alcohol advertising legislation in Thailand and other countries is not to stop adults destroying their  lives or limit their freedoms but to restrict the exposure of children to the advertising.  The laws are often very specific about how and where the adverts can be made: for example only on tv after the evening time-shed (9pm in UK), not in cinemas showing juvenile rated movies or other public scenarios.  This guy posted in Facebook which is available to everyone all the time - and I think that is where he fell foul.  Basically he's an idiot if he doesn't know he should post on a restricted adult zone instead of at all times of day to everyone on Facebook.

8 hours ago, arithai12 said:

I see your point of view but I think it is not the case. Anyone who likes a beer, be it occasionally or several per day, knows very well a) to avoid the two main Thai brands, and b) where to buy better ones. With or without ads or opinions on social media. Therefore, the legislation is useless.

As for your point about harm to society, I agree alcoholism is a major issue, no one is denying that. What people wonder about is how such draconian measures for a post about beer compare to the measures against, e.g., driving without the necessary skills and protection, the ease to procure and use firearms, the ease to procure and consume heavy drugs, or the ease with which people can set fire to a forest and get away with it.

(ps: my beer consumption is about one per week)

The point of the alcohol advertising legislation in Thailand and other countries is not to stop adults destroying their  lives or limit their freedoms but to restrict the exposure of children to the advertising.  The laws are often very specific about how and where the adverts can be made: for example only on tv after the evening time-shed (9pm in UK), not in cinemas showing juvenile rated movies or other public scenarios.  This guy posted in Facebook which is available to everyone all the time - and I think that is where he fell foul.  Basically he's an idiot if he doesn't know he should post on a restricted adult zone instead of at all times of day to everyone on Facebook.