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1 hour ago, dddave said:Just trying to remember all the Sukhumvit "Bar Areas" that have disappeared since I first came in 2002:
-Soi Zero: Under the expressway
-Soi-1
-Soi 3, First block & first side soi on left, from Sukhumvit.
-Alley between sois 5 & 7
-Soi-10 (Now Chewit Park/Art Space, closed)
-Clinton Plaza.
-Area between 13 & 15. ( small bar in front with a wagon wheel)
-Soi 12 Ministry of Sound, Insomnia, Some Russian Bar
-Soi 19 corner: Country Road, Upstairs, couple more who's names I forget.
-Asok Corner: B-52, Lolita's,
-Soi 20, side soi on right: Pelican Bar, Anna Bar(?)
-Soi 22, Queen's Park
-Washington Square
-Soi 33 "Artist Bars"
Any I missed??
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There used to be a few bars scattered on Soi 3, most infamously the Bamboo Bar run by 'Maltese John' (or was it Tony? - either way he was a 'character')
The bars in the Nailert building on Soi 5 (above Foodland) though one or two remain though seemed on my last trip to be more 'pool halls' then bars, or 'fronts' for dodgy African affairs'.
Soi 7 itself had a few OK bars on it, of which only the Bier Garten remains.
Ambassador Plaza,
that small 'indoor' complex on Soi 13, just past the Miami Hotel where the Trendy Offices are today, had a few bars, Sports Bar- post Clinton plaza, a few others, but none of them any great shakes,
''Area between 13 & 15. ( small bar in front with a wagon wheel)''
I think that was the front of Clinton Plaza. Sports bar, then Bill's (Coffee Shop) plus a smattering of beer bars behind.
This makes for depressing reading. so many memories for so many people, at least there is a new complex going up in the Soi 7 area, which will upset the hipsters....
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5 hours ago, moe666 said:
I guess what you would call old bars are all gone, Cheap Charlies, Check-In, And the old favorite Golden Beer Bar at Nana Hotel. Hilaries is still around but new and not improved. The string of Bars under the express way have been gone for a while and the Saxophone Bar Victory Monument. O well the beat goes on.
Cheap Charlies moved to On Nut a few years ago, similar set up, but not the same. Good call though, classic bar....
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There are still a few knocking around, but most have been blitzed in the name of 'progress' mainly for sh*tty poncey 'finger food', ' craft beer' 'hipster/flashpacker' (really!) places, I doubt few bars in Bangkok now, would make those old 'best bars in Asia' lists which were the staple of many an expat/travel/ forum back 'in the day'.
All I can think of , off the top of my head, are Chequers, the Bier Garten, Sexy Nite (Nana) Superstar (Patpong) the Huntsman, even Gulliver's (Soi 5 Suk, or KSrd), Morning /Night and Stumble Inn (Nana), which feel like 'new' bars to me, are approaching 'vintage' status,
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Getting (unasked for) 'lessons' in Thai history/culture/language in a bar, from some nylon shirted TEFLer who is in their second week in the country.....
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On 10/18/2020 at 1:34 PM, josephbloggs said:I had no issue with his writing about the night trade, but I have never understood the adulation of the man or his column. The quality of his writing was extremely poor and his column was mainly a re-hashed selection of emailed chain "jokes" and pathetic one liners sent in by readers. Nothing of interest, nothing of substance, just a load of copy and paste rubbish.
And let's not forget the real reason he was axed was because of his continued (almost weekly) pushing of his dangerous and irresponsible notion that HIV did not lead to AIDS and you therefore did not need to use condoms with prostitutes except to protect against pregnancy or minor irritating STDs. He should have been sacked the very first time he stated this as fact in a national newspaper but they let it continue for a long long time for some strange reason.
The fact that grown adults on this forum still use his TIT and 'Nuff Said is pretty sad really in my opinion.
I am sure he was a lovely man in person and may he rest in peace, but a great writer, a great columnist, a great talent he was not.
Twaddle, not to mention piffle waffle, he was not axed for any such reason other than the Nephew (Kong Rithi?) of the then new majority Shareholder needed a 'career', so in true Thai nepotism style, 'Uncle' gave him a job plugging his cronies' fancy Thong Lor/LangSuan/ Mor Chit Hi-So eateries in the space formerly occupied by the Night Owl column...
......but, hey, don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices...
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On 10/12/2020 at 8:51 AM, phantomfiddler said:Every, and I mean EVERY, Farang read the Trink Page every week, and many including myself missed his highly informative page. R.I.P. Bernard !
Yes, correct. Often controversial, Rarely ignored. A true Bangkok institution has passed.
I once had the pleasure of meeting him, his tales of a bygone, changing Bangkok were fascinating. What a book his memoirs would have made.
I'm sure like many, reading his column, before heading out on the sauce every Friday, was almost a ritual of our times there 'back in the day'.
RIP Bernard
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16 minutes ago, Brunolem said:Or why don't they go study?
They have almost no support from the general population.
Why should the government institutions be changed because a small minority is asking for it?
The country is already in enough (economic) trouble, and certainly doesn't need a student uprising at this time.
Clearly, you can't or don't follow Thai social media, or talk to many Thais. The students seem to have huge, growing support. Already the dinosaurs, have employed the rent-a- thugs looking to cower behind a certain institution, again; even if that 'institution's' currency is not as strong as it once was in trying to gain popular support. It seems as though that ship has sailed for Thailand's despots, unelected stuffed shirts, bully boy thugs, so one hopes the country can finally move forward, peacefully.
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8 minutes ago, donnacha said:
There is no Thai law that expressly allows or forbids remote working. It simply does not exist in Thai law.
The laws that the bitter guys bring up in every thread about working apply only to the classes of work mentioned in those laws.
No one has ever been prosecuted for remote working in Thailand and there is no practical way that any country could enforce such a law.
Well put, the cheap-nylon shirt TEFL brigade, plus the dwindling pension gang, love to troll out these 'laws' regularly,
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Lek Bar Was a cracking no hassle' bar, run by lovely people, even better when they moved to a 'closed' bar further down the soi. Real 'blasts from the 'Golden Years'
I managed to get there around 2009(ish) before they moved up to Uthai Thani, where sadly Lek passed away a few years ago.
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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:
I stayed in that place for a few nights I think on my first visit to Thailand in the early 199x.
At that time I though it's a fifthly place - but at least cheap.
I guess if I would have stayed long enough I would have discovered that that filth was part of the theme similar to the old Thermae. ????
I wonder how many people will miss that place after it will be gone. Many many years ago it was pretty interesting with lots of freelancers. But in the last years (decade?) it seems all the women in there are the leftover from the last decades. Maybe interesting for a nostalgia trip but definitely no place anymore to look for fresh freelance entertainment.
The Golden Palace was cheap and cheerful, at around 450-500B for a room with AC, fridge, Hot water, TV, as well as a belting pool, made it great deal for that area - if not the entire city. Agreed, it was threadbare and a little shabby, It was a real throwback/time capsule to the VietNam R'n'R days even down to the authentic 1960s jukebox in the coffee shop. Sadly, the hotels from that era are slipping away one by one, with only the Miami remaining.
I think the Biergarten is one of the last of the 'Old School' Bangkok/Asia drinking dives, many an 'Old Asia Hand' wipes away a tear at the mention of these places.
(I wonder how a 'Best Bar in Asia' thread would read in this day an age? with so many of the standard 'classics' which used to be found in the many versions on this theme now long gone.
The quality of the women there (The BierGarten) has fluctuated over the years, from the downright ghastly to the surprisingly hot on my last visit but maybe that is more my getting on in years....
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Some nice posts here, yearning for a time when BKK/Thailand was a simpler, friendlier place. Sure, some of the impromptu bars which would spring up from time to time, made for decent meeting spots, especially in weird places like 'Blade Runner Alley' (the small alley between Suk soi 5-7) or Buckskin Joe Village.
The sad fact for me is that I grew weary of making pals a while ago (having been fortunate enough to have been a 'long term' expat in BKK most of my adult life, friends were thick on the ground in the aforementioned times; my own personal 'Golden years' being the late 1990s, to the mid 2000s).
Though most went home in the end, only a few from those days remain in Thailand (I myself am on sabbatical leave until this darned plague is passed).
Of those few who remain most are scattered around the Kingdom, some have sadly passed away, but the truth was that it just got too depressing, saying farewell to good people, seemingly week-in, week out, especially in the time of the strong baht so in my last few years there. Even though most, having laid down roots in BKK would return for visits, our time had passed, and try as we might to recapture that time, it remained out of our reach. though, superficially, the stage remained the same, in appearance, the cast had changed, not always to the benefit of the bigger play.
I became pretty much of an anti-social misanthrope who found walking the familiar pavements of Lower Suk, where I had enjoyed so many great times in the past, just too difficult. Every now and again I would bump into a face from the Golden Years either a Thai or a Westerner, but the ensuing nostalgia trip recalling those happier times, was always depressing in the end, realising those times are gone, with our youths like whispers on the wind. i recall one night walking up Soi 1 where we would stay religiously in the old Golden Palace Hotel, passing the site of that institution, I felt I could almost hear the echoes of some of our wild late night pool parties still hanging in the air, but they were too far distant to truly hear. On my last visit, I found it almost painful to sit in some of those places from the 'Golden Years' such as Chequers, Big Dog's and Lucky Luke's (or Tiki as it is now named). Luckily I got to have a last spin around Blade Runner Alley, and Check Inn 99 before that area was razed. It fills me with Joy to see the BierGarten hanging on in there while all around gets smashed no doubt for more pointless malls, which will remain empty, more over priced condos no one will buy, or another posh hotel which will run on 10% occupancy. I hope some of the old places fight on, as when attending the funeral of Sam - one of the old gang - in Wales last summer, the minister said 'while they remain in our memories, they are never truly departed' and in those places they are remembered, in fact pictures of Sam and others of the mob, are still on some of the 'rogue's galleries' in a few of our old haunts, long may they remain so.
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While these imbecile, ignorant, vainglorious, cultural vandal, maniacs are at it, why not demolish ALL Roman ruins and races of their legacy in Europe? for if History is correct, didn't they indulge in bit of slavery in their pomp, but as they mainly dealt with White Europeans, that won't go far to appeasing the White Middle |Class Guilt these cretinous idiots let eat away at them to the extent they think we should just erase history to fit with their flawed World views....
'm all for giving every statue a good polish and a new plinth
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6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
LOL. No one on an anonymous forum is going to admit to shagging a less than DDG burd.
Reminds me of the time a mate of mine was in LOS for his holidays. When he came back he raved about the beautiful girls he'd had. He had his snaps developed in the UK and asked me to deliver copies to the beloveds on my next trip. Being curious I had a look and my goodness they were so ugly that I felt sorry for him. Not that I let him know that though. Poor guy.
Why not? It is anonymous after all, I'm sure most will admit to a few munters on the CV....though this place does attract more than its share of fantasists all with Hi-so Thai Chinese wives with generals for fathers.....
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15 hours ago, PaulieAUS said:
Don't know why you are butt hurt I got a free root out of an above average looking Thai girl and didn't pay a bar fine. It's not as if I am the only hansum man in Thailand this has happened to. I am just documenting my experiences on here post-divorce.
I was seeing four other girls besides her in BKK at the same time but have yet to post on those. Stay tuned.
Yeah, that 'hot' she was offering her debt-ridden clout on dating sites....for all comers in the hope of landing a sap....I'm sure you weren't the first. nor the only one, as she works her way through her inbox hoping for the fool, though you were obviously the only idiot who has embarrassed himself by posting his embarrassing ignorance on a public forum,
Four other girls??? Well ain't you the stud of Bangkok then? or more likely another fantasist who has never had a woman in their home country before then suddenly blows his meagre savings on a few bar girls and thinks he's Brad Pitt....
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Nice to see Thailand isn't the only country which suffers from 'Super Buddhist' politicians.....
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Because ALL Thai gold diggers dump a 100K a month
mug,sorry, 'sponsor'(even an invented one) for a bum living in an Airbnb....
This must be possibly the lamest, most roundabout way I've ever seen on these pages of some utter loser wanting to tell the world he had a 'free' 'sh*g' with a lass not picked up in a bar....and that is going some...- 1
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The 'New Normal' in Thailand = the same old 'Normal'- We 3/4% are in control, have all the money, will lie to you about everything, you will believe, listen and obey...
The future looks bleak for Thailand
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It's pretty much an open admission by these imbeciles that they have no clue so the only answer is 'ban it all' as it's easier than actually producing some active legislation and enforcing it. The only benefit is that these clueless fools have been exposed, and will not have careers once this blows over
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If it gives these vainglorious idiots a chance to puff their chests out on TV, impose their power on the people, they'll keep on extending it indefinitely, as they are too lazy to actually do any enforcing of the guidelines, they'll be regretting it once this is over, no one will trust these fools with anything more than a school crossing....
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Pattaya will die as a mongers' destination, never to return
Not as a resort though
Reasons for death
#1 Younger generations of men are NOT into mongering
#2 Thailand is facing a demographic implosion
Notice the age (and fugliness) of the pros in Pattaya
#3 Increased prosperity
#4 The few that will be flogging it, will be doing it thru phone apps ,no need to have intermediaries (bar owners etc)
This post was nonsense.
#1 Younger generations of men are NOT into mongering.Young guys age, you know, it's an odd thing but it happens to all of us...as long as Westen women continue to treat sex as a tool of control over men, the annual exodus of blokes heading to Pattaya to 'monger' will continue, if not increase,
#2 Thailand is facing a demographic implosion
Notice the age (and fugliness) of the pros in Pattaya
New, 'pros' are born each year, another odd quirk of nature. they also come in a range of looks and levels of attractiveness.
#3 Increased prosperity
Absolutely, with all that cash floating around, economics dictate the needy ''pros' weill still flood to where they can get their mitts on a bundles of the stuff...#4 The few that will be flogging it, will be doing it thru phone apps ,no need to have intermediaries (bar owners etc) Where do you think most of this interaction will occur? let me tell you, in places, where a few drinks can be had possibly?
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QuoteThat was how most of us first came to Thailand although few will admit it.
It's very strange how many falangs come to Pattaya, get involved with a local woman, move up to Issan or some place no one's ever heard of and into a house they've bought her and then spend a lot of time on forums wailing about what a rip off hell hole Pattaya is and how the men who go there are perverts, rogues and ne'er do wells.
Superbly put Yogi as well as being bang on the mark. It is amazing how many lads who picked a bride/Long-term Partner from Pattaya have nothing but bad things to say about the place, but then again, I don't think I'd be to keen on a place where my woman had taken more cocks than Bernard Matthews,
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Seriously, the 'Pattaya is finished' nonsense has been rolling on far too long, the whole thing smacks of wishful thinking from those whose wives or shabby, diminishing finances no longer allow them to visit. Most of the posts you read bleat on and on about 'rip off bar-girls' or 'rip off anything' which proves that point 100%. The uninformed have been sounding Pattaya's death knell for years now, yet it still stands and remains as popular as ever which really seems to stick in their craw, hence the frequent repeat of this tired, incorrect theme. Now they are trying to use the pandemic to reinforce their agenda, which is utterly laughable, as no-one, not a single person in the world knows for sure what will happen when the crisis passes, apart, of course the 'TVF crystal ball merchants' who are only as clever as they think they are, which is not very, they can make only wild speculations at best, not a single fact can they produce.
Personally, having had my own contract postponed in March until the crisis passes, i have been told to make travel plans back to BKK as soon as it is possible, that all staff will have the usual 2 week 'settling back in' period, followed by a month's leave, then back into our usual cycle of three months in the field, then three months off. I, and a fair few other of my BKK based expat colleagues and friends, plus a good few 'Pattaya long termers' of my acquaintance have all spoken of a desire to head back there ASAP, 'blowing out' big time, if you pardon the filthy expression. I would guess, that given time to build up funds, while in lockdown, denied the chance to get their Pattaya 'fix', I reckon there will be a huge rush once restrictions are lifted, while it probably won't recompense the businesses, who have suffered during the crisis, such a rush will certainly go a long way to rebuilding, so cue a great deal of wailing from the 'can nots' once this bally crisis passes....- 3
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21 hours ago, Pilotman said:OP, the 80s and 90s may have been good for visiting western sex tourists, old farang slobs and worn out clapped out divorced bitter men, but not for the Thai people, who had to service them for a pittence, or the bar girls working for a few Baht and no protection against the mafia that ran the place and exploited them. I don't like the place now, but I don't look back on those times with rose tinted glasses.
Was that how you first come to Thailand?
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The envelope collector Supreme has spoken, Quake in Fear!!!!! Really how is such a clueless buffoon, in such a post? My word! I suppose the first thing he did when he took power was , rather imaginatively, close all the bars at 10pm with his goons swarming all over town like monkeys.
Happily though, Thailand and the Thais are starting to suffer fools like this less and less thanks to social media, improved communications.
When all this is over, and the Thais look closely at who made things tough for them during the crisis. Finished careers will lie strewn in tatters, like broken bodies, across the Kingdom, including this idiot's and one hopes that of 76 provincial Governors,their staff too, as well as those of many, many hapless public officials who have handled the crisis abysmally, one hopes 'Inactive posts' are a consigned to the dustbin of history, and these leeches on society are forced to actually do some work, instead of living off the fat of the land for once.
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What Historic Bangkok Bars Do We Have Left?
in Bangkok
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And a bit of resentment from bitter old retirees, whose 'wives' no longer allow them to enjoy the scene as they spend their increasingly meagre pensions....