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10 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

No visa allows the same permitted to stay date every time you enter the country.

Wrong! See the Admitted Until days on the left below. And it's been the same Admitted Until day for trips abroad in June/Aug...

10 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Only a re-entry permit issued by immigration allows the same permit to stay date. I think you have a multiple re-entry permit issued to keep a permit to stay from an extension issued by immigration not a visa.

Wrong again! See the visa. Once HR gave me the passport with that visa past Jan., I've had it all the time, only getting it stamped at the airport on exit/entry. So no extension by immigration etc.

10 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Check you your passport to see exactly what you have.

I did. I appreciate your advice. I know you have a deservedly good rep in this forum which is why I decided to respond again. But please don't delete my posts without good reason. My response to BT may have been a tad "cute" but it was not out of line.

35 minutes ago, BritTim said:

Because the current stamp is in error. You should only have been admitted for 90 days. If you stay until December 31, you will be on a 16-day overstay. Immigration will not take responsibility for the incorrect stamp. You will be fined 8,000 baht and the overstay may create problems in the future.

Nonsense. My visa is multiple entry and I've traveled out of Thailand every other month since Jan. this year, which is when it was issued. Each time the stamp on entry was Admitted Until 31/01/2020. The last time was Oct. mentioned in the OP and I leave tomorrow again for a week.

1 hour ago, BritTim said:

Your visa and the permissions to stay based on it are not tied to your employment, and you can continue to use them.

Agree and I do plan to stay till the Admitted Until (=permission to stay, I assume) stamped on my last entry which is a month past my employment end.

1 hour ago, BritTim said:

You should get your current permission to stay stamp corrected.

Why? If my employer doesn't care and if Imm and Labor are separate then there is no reason.

I called our HR Visa person this afternoon. She said I have till the visa expiration day 27/1/20 to leave. I didn't bring up the Admit Until stamp as the conversation was over the phone in broken English but I'll take it that that day 31/1/20 is the real D-day.

I specifically mentioned that my WP is till 30/12. She wasn't interested. "You can stay how long your visa."

Which makes sense as I don't see the point in my employer proactively taking my passport and trying to shorten my stay by a paltry 30 days to co-terminate with my WP. If in that "extra" 30 days I work a new job without the WP being extended or get into some kind of mischief it's my funeral.

And 30 days seems about the right "grace" period to pack up and leave. If it were say 120 days then there would be a point about staying too long beyond the job. But then why the heck would an employer arrange a visa in the first place that goes so far beyond the work contract/WP? Unlikely.

Anyway, thanks all for your input.

7 minutes ago, BritTim said:

As far as I can see, other explanations require either the immigration official to have made a mistake or you to have incorrectly stated your situation.

Ok, so here it is again:

Visa: "Category "F" Good for multiple return journeys to Thailand ... must be utilized before 27 Jan 2020. Issued on 28 Jan 2019.

Latest immigration stamp: Date 18 Oct 2019. Admitted Until 31/01/2020.

Work Permit: MUST EXTEND BEFORE 30 Dec 2019.

The first two are from my passport, the last one from the blue book. My appointment letter from my employer says I have a contract till 31/12/19. So I won't be terminated with an official letter as such. They simply won't give me another contract which means I will be out of employment end of the year.

22 minutes ago, overherebc said:

You haven't mentioned how long you've been there.

Will they pay notice and severance that you should be entitled to??

Couple of years. No other issues. They are good people.

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The date you extension ends cannot be changed. They would have to give you a termination letter the date your job ends. Then you would have to go to immigration to have your extension canceled.

Then I have one more question.

First my contract is till the end of this year. So, they won't need to terminate me with a letter, jut no new contract.

In that case, am I legally obliged to "have to go to immigration to have your extension canceled", or can I just fly out end Jan?

13 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The organization needs to decide what they are going to do. 

There is no linkage between the Labor Ministry and immigration. Immigration will not know about your work permit expiring.

Thanks, Joe. That's clear then.

Just hope they won't be hardassed and insist on revising my passport. I would much rather be Thailand than Farangland in Jan.

Thank you for your responses.

53 minutes ago, steve187 said:

what permission to stay are you on, 

Category F visa (employer is an NGO) issued about a year ago.

51 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You cannot legally work without a work permit. If they want you to work they need to renew your work permit.

Technically your extension of stay issued by immigration on the day your work permit ends.

I have no intention of taking another job if I am terminated or quit myself. Just wondering till when I have to pack my bags. Till the day the WP expires 30/12 or till the Admitted Until day 31/1?

What you are saying, Joe, is that it's the WP day. Correct? In that case, HR will have to take some action to get that on my passport, like getting the Admitted Until day changed, right? Otherwise, that 31/1 should hold from just looking at the passport, unless the WP system is linked to the Imm system. Or am I missing something?

Incidentally, I don't mind leaving earlier as long as I have a couple of weeks notice. But the problem is my work place is 60km. from my apartment and I would rather not have to make a couple of trips if HR says, Bring your passport in tomorrow, then collect it ...

My visa is good till 27/01/20.

Immigration stamp when I returned from a vacation in October says Admit until 31/01/20.
WP expires 30/12/19.

I am on an annually renewable job contract. If this doesn't renew for 2020 do I have to leave when my WP expires or do I have till end of Jan? I have been advised to talk to our HR which I will at some point but I don't want to make these inquiries until my renewal situation clears. But what's the standard practice?

Thank you.