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So at the beginning of the month a bunch of stuff reopened. Can somebody explain why the sky isn’t falling in? I mean it’s a deadly disease, we are commingling more.. why aren’t numbers skyrocketing? Oh that’s right, because it does not actually work like that… the numbers go in waves no matter what you do, lockdown or not as places like Sweden prove. I forgot, sorry. Carryon. Yet when the second wave comes the relaxed restrictions will be blamed of course lol

As foreigners, you can’t be objective on this topic. This is the first thing to understand, 8If you are financially affected by a decision one way or another you will be biased. Basically, you’re opinions are biased and don’t count from the get go. There are any number of legit reasons Thais may pay less than foreigners in government facilities and national parks. Every time you bring these reasons up you are met with emotional, subjective retorts, that… don’t mean anything. Here are even all sorts of examples in western countries where foreigners pay exorbitantly more than locals (but expats don’t complain in those cases, go figure). You’re biased, your opinion does not count. It would be like a divorcee settling his divorce case. It’s ridiculous, you don’t get a opinion that actually counts. Private businesses are another matter I think though. And I believe that objectively it is wrong for private businesses to charge foreign customers more.

Teens parents should take a look at these excess death charts. There’s basically no excess death with covid. This are the stats they don’t want you to see

Here’s why is not ok to disagree. No vaccination required as far as I can tell. No masks. Look… the world is not ending! Did a few extra people get covid? I don’t know, maybe. I know life is going on however.

This is actually beautiful. This is what should happen to some of the bankers and politicians

All I ask, and I do not think this is too tough a request, is each office put up a list of stuff you need, even if what you need may not be needed by everyone… put it on the list (eg witnesses). If u don’t have the stuff, you rejected. If you do, you get it. Why that is so difficult to just tell people what they need to do I have no idea. I am not even joking when I say this, had a IO tell me “no smiling in photos”. That’s fine! I don’t give a <deleted>. But put that on the goddam list of requirements ie “no smiling in photos”

They need to just reopen. Very easy decision. You are facing virus concerns with or without people incoming from abroad. The country is already infested with covid.

Just so surprised this is even debated. Genuinely surprised. What on earth is the argument about? If you have bought into the effectiveness of this vaccine… take it! Over. Once you do that. Over. No more to say. You’re supposedly protected. I am not sure what the <deleted> you are on about. leave other people the <deleted> alone. You do not get to decide what goes into people’s bodies any other time, now do you? So probably bells should be ringing for you, “I probably should not be the decider of what goes into their bodies now either”. That’s right buddy. Your body, your choice. You do not get to choose for other people. Not sure why anyone thinks they have a leg to stand on if they think that.

People need to wake the <deleted> up. There are doctors posting publicly on Twitter they are getting notices from the govt not to give “misinformation” about the vaccine. What reasonable people think when they know this is, “why on earth do they need to threaten doctors with their livelihoods if the vaccine is so good?”. Why on earth would they need to send out a letter like that. Think about it. Your first question should be “well, it sounds like doctors exist who wanna speak negatively about the vaccine, so why are they silencing that?”. A doc could have 10 people die from the vax and he could not discuss this with his patients, and you people don’t think this is suspect lol What you are hearing from your doctors are completely filtered. A “scientific consensus”. Can’t make this stuff up. This is a new vaccine. There is no consensus yet. Why do you think every other vaccine they test for 5-10 years? Lol Ehy do you think all other vaccines producers are made to be responsible for ill effects. Not this one. Fact: nobody knows yet. Deal with it. If you took a chance that being the fact, great. Wish you the best. You also trust pharma and government. Ok. Great. Do what you want. I would not say the wisest among us blindly trust what govt and corps tell them, but hey that’s just me.

Ur done get over it the faster u take my advice the better for u

This is actually a very good question. Assume we are discussing in a place like the United States for clarity’s sake… You can always take away rights to save lives or do “good” in some way. I don’t understand why people do not realize this. There could be a serial hacker stealing funds from accounts in the USA, and to catch them, we’d all have to give up our right to illegal searches and seizures let’s say for argument’s sake. Well, it does not matter one bit we could save a bunch of people from criminals by losing the 4th amendment right. The point of it being a right is that it gets upheld even in the tough times, death, tragedy or all hell breaking loose be damned. You see, that’s how that works. Constitutional rights stay that way in the tough times… in fact during those tough times is the most important periods when we need to maintain them. The only entities who logically should want right infringement are those who would benefit, which would be governments. Citizens have to be absolutely mind <deleted> bonkers to release their rights. That’s what we see now, and that is how you know everyone is <deleted> crazy and they sure as hell should not be listened to, for their own good in the end. To answer the question, these are not disagreements. They are one citizen saying “I want this right taken away from everyone because I’m afraid”. Well, you don’t get to say that. My right is protected constitutionally. So yeah those are essentially fighting words, because if enough sheep think like you, we all lose. You literally are not allowed to do that. It’s not a disagreement but it’s one person wants to violate the rights of others because of their beliefs. They need to follow their own beliefs in a way not to infringe upon those of others.

Kinda an easy thing to say while on a pension. Not so much if you have a family to feed. Not to mention all the other errors in your logic.

Well, that beats staying closed which is risky and unnecessary lol

I don’t understand why it is so difficult for people to have the objectively correct opinion on this. Yes, leave other people the <deleted> alone. If you wanna jam an unknown chemical into your body, go right ahead! So simple. No need to bicker, argue and discuss.

This is so simple. Just leave people alone. It does not even matter if you think leaving others alone causes you problems. All rights cause problems for other people, depending on your outlook. That’s why they are rights, because the people getting hot and bothered don’t get to say <deleted> about it. So simple, you are vaxxed. You’re supposedly safe. Now leave other people the <deleted> alone. Cannot be simpler.

There was a letter sent out to all doctors, I was intimating in another post, telling them not to spread “misinformation” about the vaccine. Think about the implications of this. Let’s just assume a doctor has a number of patients die after taking the vaccine. Nope, can’t be discussed with patients. What if the doctor had a large percentage of patients who had very severe reactions to the vaccine. Nope, can’t discuss it… “we deem what is misinformation and what isn’t, use your discretion at your peril” is their message. It goes further than that though. Ask yourself why this letter needed to be sent out! If the vaccine is so rosy, why do doctors need this very threatening nudging to endorse it. Think about it, if you have a good and safe product and all docs love it, why would they need to be manipulated into giving a recommendation that isn’t genuine? The very fact that the letter was sent out speaks to the fact that there are problems with the vaccine, and the powers that be just don’t want docs discussing those problems. I find this fascinating because people, after decades of it being blatantly obvious govts do not care one iota about their health, that all the sudden they are your A#1 friend, right. Yeah, the govt is here to help me. Right. Those are famous last words if there ever were any.

On the subject of doctors and the vax, and interesting facet is that many individual pro athletes are not vaxxed. The vax rate in group sports is quite high, where the admin is able to force them into vaxing. Individual sport athletes is different though. And what do individual athletes have at their side? Million dollar doctors who have a vested interest i taking care of their clients and the communications with these private clients is private. In other words, people with some of the best docs in the world, who are able to speak their mind, ain’t getting the vaccine.

Motorcycle helmets have many years of data backing their efficacy. The vaccine has no data for its long term effects. You don’t seem to wanna get this. That is denial.

After that all sinks in, there is only one thing left to consider. You see, this is a lopsided debate. I could care less if rob lock jabs himself 40 times with every vaccine on earth. Have at it. I hope it works out well for you. This is where the debate really begins, because if you are thinking, and asking questions like “how can doctors be universally recommending an unproved quantity” (answer, because they are forced to, which rob lock thinks is good lol), then you know you have a tough call to make. How old you are, how good a shape you are in, where you work… all valid criteria to consider. But that is the entire point, each person obviously has to be given the right to consider that information. That’s the difference here, and that is what the entire debate hinges upon: robblock wants me to be compelled to think like him, yet want rob lock to do whatever the hell he thinks is best. He KNOWS what is right, otherwise how/why would he compel me to vax?! I, on the other hand, am saying we don’t the long term effects of the vaccine, which is a fact, and each person should be able to consider the benefits and drawbacks without compelled testimony of doctors and media. Big difference. You basically want to force your beliefs onto others, and I want everyone to do what they think is best for them. It is quite literally the equivalent of forcing a Christian to be Buddha. That’s your stance and your error, and like I am saying, you dont even realize it unfortunately.

Doctors don’t even know the long term effects of the vaccine, so how on earth can they recommend it? Questions like this have not dawned on you? I’m saying doctors are being coerced into one sided views by pain of fear of losing their job. Of course they all comply. Here is a question for you… how many covid decisions by govt officials all over the world have been good ones in your estimation? You seem to be very trusting of govts but I would say basically every country has botched it. They admit it! They change their mind mid decision etc. Now… knowing this information that govts have botched everything, you trust them with the decision to hastily release the vaccine?! They have made every wrong decision in the book due to public pressure and fear of losing their jobs… but this one they got correct, right? It’s denial bro. You are in denial plain and simple, believe me. Please answer some of those questions for yourself. How on earth can you believe doctors would be so adamant to recommend an long term, unproven vaccine? Lol

People are trusting big pharma but big pharma doesn’t trust their own work. Why would they not accept responsibility for ill effects if they were confident in the product? If anyone is unaware this is unheard of when it comes to other products… developers have to accept responsibility for their products to some extent. Here, the responsibility is 0. Why is that?

We don’t know the long term effects of this vaccine. Fact. Vaccines are normally tested for up to a decade. These are facts. This one rolled out this year and completely broke the mold as far as testing procedures go. And, why do we have those procedures? If the procedures mean nothing, why can’t we just skip them every time? These procedures have been developed through experience and past mistakes, over decades. Thereinlie your answers.

You are completely blind and missing the point. This is 1984 stuff. Doctors are only allowed to give their opinion if it fits the govts narrative. You can think that is fine but I’m just saying you have problems if you do. What if you got censored every time some arbitrary body thought you were wrong. Just not getting it. It’s obvious. It’s denial. Clear as day. You can’t see that more doctors would recommend for example kids not get the shot, or that you look into it more or whatever. Doctors are being censored from giving their true opinion, and you think this is good! Not much else to say.

Yes, but you did not have any information to assess risk on. You are in such denial about this and don’t even realize it. What are your long term risks? Real answer…. We don’t know. Again, trusting big pharma and govt probably isn’t going to put you in the smart money category in the long run. Maybe that is not the end all be all answer, but I think it is a pretty strong one to argue your way out of. I mean there is no answer to that… we all know big pharma and gifts do not care about us in the slightest. Take my opinion for example, and I have seen some of your previous posts on health/fitness so I can relate… fighting this is a matter of keeping in great shape in my opinion. Let your natural defenses do the rest. Food, exercise, sun… it seems insulin levels have been important for example. Anyway, just different strokes I guess. My main point is you guys insist you are basing your decision off some sort of information and that is absolutely, 100% wrong. You are basing your decision off of faith in govt and big pharma.

What I would do is look up how long vaccines are normally tested for. Then I would also ask myself why doctors are being told not to give patients “misinformation” about the vaccine. Doctors are literally being forced to recommend jabs at the pain, or at least subversive threat, of losing their jobs. Of course they are all going to recommend it. Its funny because you essentially trust government and big pharma if you have taken an unproven vaccine. Ok… I totally support that. Just point out we aren’t the “strange bunch”. The strange ones are those who are trusting, without question, the very people who have screwed the world over every single time, without fail. I find there is all together too many points to make, haha, but you took a vaccine very early too. There is evidence now that people letting their own bodies fight the infection are much better off in the long run against future infections. It’s not to say I am right or you are right, just that we simply don’t know yet. That is the key fact that people such as yourself outright deny, for whatever reason.