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On 8/3/2020 at 6:00 AM, Brunolem said:

Needless to say that they were kept contained.

 

These buildings became something like cruise ships, kept at see while the passengers were treated.

Not that well contained if they are having so many cases. Where are they contained and how many are there ?

STILL CONFUSED.

So today mainland Europe record around 19 deaths in total. POPULATION OF ABOUT 741 MILLION.

But UK records nearly 100 DEATHS. POPULATION ABOUT 67 MILION.

This is disparity is so bizarre. Why is the UK suffering so badly STILL.

UK record 10 deaths in hospitals. So where are the 90 deaths happening? It just goes on and on, why are people dying outside of hospitals? If they are ill why are they not being bought to hospitals?

I still can't get answers, even from experts i follow on twitter !

What's so confusing is that the number of cases is lower in the UK than Spain, Germany, France and has been for almost a month now - but those countries are reporting low single figure deaths.

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Guessing, but in aged care facilities?

 

If someone is ill in a old peoples home, why not take them to hospital?

16 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

 

The immigrant workers being young and generally in good shape explains that most of the cases were mild, with very few fatalities.

Interesting comments regarding the workers being in good shape. However, surely they can still spread it the general population (who may not be as fit).

Keeping the mortality so low, despite huge infection numbers, is a remarkable achievement.

18 minutes ago, orchis said:

they have many immigrant workers living in huge dorms in rather poor conditions, this is where most spreading occurs.

Do these migrant workers not interact with the rest of the population? Do they not get on trains, public transport, go shopping or eat out?

What are Singapore doing about these huge dorm problems? Population density is also quite rough in Chinese cities, Hong Kong, etc

So what's going on with Singapore?

Whilst it's neighbours all seem to have dealt with Covid very well - Thailand, Malaysia, and China. Singapore seems to be still struggling with this virus.

After a slight fall during lockdown cases are rising again. It's often reporting well over 300 cases a day, with a small population of 5.8 million they have one of the highest per 100,000 rates in the world. Granted they are probably testing more than the likes of Thailand, but it's still a crazy outbreak.

What is even more baffling though, is despite such a high infection rate, they've managed to keep mortality down to only 27 cases in total, which is a phenomonal achievement.

Thoughts ?

48 minutes ago, Yinn said:

A whistleblower has claimed elderly Covid-19 patients are being sent to care homes 'to die' as part of a longstanding culture of freeing up hospital beds. 

The source, whose work means they have close connections with care homes in the UK, alleged that people are currently being discharged from hospital before their coronavirus test results are known.

As a result, patients risk missing out on crucial treatment - contributing to the care home sector's soaring death toll.

 

link

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8274403/Whistleblower-claims-elderly-Covid-19-patients-sent-die-care-homes.html

 

Black heart.

At the start of the crisis, the government witnessed scenes in Italy with patients lying in corridors, and were worried that was coming to the UK. Their fatal error was they discharged masses of patients in hospitals that weren't in life threatening conditions, to free up hospital space. Alot of those discharged were elderly back into care homes without being tested. It was a horrific error. Then compounded further that there was no lockdowns or safety protocols for elderly homes till it was far too late.

4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Correct they don't mention it, but plenty of comments in online papers do here in the UK. Ever since they added care homes and home deaths to the totals I have questioned what the true figures are. The clue is the multiple underlying conditions that they have and they had covid-19 but recovered but died of one of their conditions.

 

There is an interesting PDF that I found on a UK government website that mentions that people need to scared of covid-19 to adhere to social distancing measures, so I guess the figures are inflated for that purpose.

 

Check out this article and there is a link to the gov.uk site where you can download the PDF. https://evidencenotfear.com/how-sage-and-uk-media-created-fear-in-the-british-public/?fbclid=IwAR2z-VP2MDcVw5igiBBJXSn0s_gQDvD8v3mqQ1wf0hznivJsGiH1ImyNQsc

Interesting read.

I can firmly agree there may have been reasons for the government in the initial stages to scare/shock people to stay at home. But now with the virus in low numbers, the economy on it's knees - the same govermnemt are urging people to get back to work, start spending, save the high street, etc. - the numbers of deaths reported are still very high.

What incentive would a government have to make the figures worst now ... it's essentially scaring the population, hurting investment, and makes the government look incompetent. Surely most governments would want to laud their achievements how they've tackled the virus and got on top of it. For these reasons alone i don't buy that the government (or PHE) are inflating the figures.

Matt Hancock said two weeks ago he was going to look into the figures. Yet here we are, two weeks later, still reporting some 100 plus deaths in a day sometimes.

41 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Correct, other countries have a 28 day limit, but in the UK we count after 28 days to be included in the death totals. Hancock says the NHS are looking into the figures and will be revised at some point.

 

Friday's death figures were 120, 14 died in hospital and 106 from care homes or at home, 119 had multiple underlying conditions, aged between 73 to 92. The thing that puzzles me is why those who died at home or care deaths were not admitted to hospital if they covid-19 was that bad. This is why the figures are suspect in the UK and until an investigation is held some people are skeptical about the true mortality in the UK for covid-19 including me.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/02/uk-covid-19-excess-deaths

I agree on your point - that if people in care homes (or there own homes) are so ill that they are close to death, why aren't they being transported to hospitals to attempt treatment? In what condition are they dying without even bothering to go to a hospital? It doesn't make sense to me. The media barely mention it.

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

The main reason UK's rate is so high (there were 5 today btw) is because whoever caught it has a three-month window to die from it. Meaning, if you contracted COVID19, recovered and then died 10 weeks later from stubbing your toe in the bathroom and banging your head, you are registered as dying from coronavirus/C19. This is unheard of in other countries AFAIA. Also, many cases were mixed up with the flu. Numbers are more likely in the 20k region, which is still high of course, but given the aged state of the nation and London being the global hub, isn't so bad.

Source for this? I keep hearing by conspiracy theorist on twitter, that you can get Covid, recover, die from a accident, and it will go down as Covid death. But i can't honestly believe this. There maybe some cases where covid might have been a secondary reason for death.

But the EXCESS DEATH levels (average number of deaths over the past 5 years over this period) in the UK are worst than even the covid numbers. Infact the UK excess deaths from January to August are the worst in Europe.

16 minutes ago, SnipTheCat said:

Hi,

   I feel sorry to read that... But I can understand, I have made it back and in quarantine now. But way has been beyond what is humanely possible for most... I have been very close to give up multiple times, it is exhausting mentally & physically. If I hasn't my business here and work permit expiring soon, I probably would have waited... but I don't expect commercial flights to resume for at least 6 months, and possibly be very restrictive for 1 year. 

 

   When I see the tens of thousands of thais still stranded oversears, the thens of thousands of foreigners stranded here, the laughable ASQ quarantine capacity, and the zero-tolerance for even a single asymptomatic case of local infection... I'm surprised I have made it.

 

   Now about not testing the thais, I also find it's a madness... there has been one positive on my flight, I can't imagine there won't be any positive in his vincinity after 12 hours flight, that's how many test positive at day #12 of quarantine. In one way I feel safer and give some meaning to the fact that I was "forced" to take a business class seat... 

 

Best of luck for the future.

Well done, and good luck in your quarantine ! How are you handling it at the moment ?!

I've been following the covid data on worldmeters for a while now. The UK infection rate has fallen quite dramatically, it's daily rate is now better than Spain and France. Per 100,000 it's actually doing very well, compared to many other countries in Europe. It also has very few people left in hospital, on ventilators, or in a seriously critical condition (doing much better than the rest of Europe).

Yet it's death rate continues to be so high.

So if you look at a few days ago, the rest of Europe had the odd death from Covid. Most countries had none - France, Italy, Germany had 0 deaths. Spain had 2. Yet the UK posted 120.

Back at the peak the UK was having some thousand daily deaths, but it's dropped down now. But it's still averaging over 500 a week, and it doesn't seem to drop. We get days where over 100 are dying. How is this possible?

Now people say the UK reporting is skewed. But is it? Why would a government want to increase it's numbers? It doesn't make sense.

The deaths in hospitals are also very low. Infact if you isolate that 120 number, only 15 died in hospitals. So where are the other 105 dying? With hospitals now freed up, why are people not dying in hospitals?

There is obviously the care home issue, but once again why aren't the people in care homes who are ill being taken to hospital?  Also it still doesn't explain then why Spain or Italy aren't seeing the same numbers, as they have a more elderly population than the UK.

The UK also has the highest excess death rates in Europe, before anyone says the numbers are an inflated conspiracy.

Does anyone know whats going on? Why are other countries seemingly on top of this but the UK is still struggling with mortality?

Big major barrier is if your 'friend' can have the procedure done in America, then he won't be considered.

It's mainly for surrounding lesser developed nations, and i believe provinces in China, to come and have certain procedures done that can't be done in their homeland.

Gender reassignemnt surgery is definately one. But a simple hair transplant, or a muscle sprain won't be considered.

7 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You can do a registration and do the application for each member of your family.

That info is not specific to your case to do the application. You only need have a copy of their passport and their birth certificate to apply for the visa. You only need to prove you are the parent of one of your child when you apply.

Normally the application would be done after the children have their non-ed visas so that you could include a copy of it with yours. You may need to do their application and attach a copy of it instead of the visa.

 

 

I've given till tomorrow as a deadline before i just give up.

This is absolutely soul destroying.

13 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The embassy will inform you when you can purchase the flight and which travel agent to use to do it. I assume they inform them of those allowed to do it.

HI Ubonjoe, hope you don't mind me raiding your experience again.

When i do the application online, do i apply for everyone under one registration? ie, i have registered my email, and my address. Do i do everyones application under this? Or does each new application need a new registration?

Secondly, when i look at the documents requested for myself :

Visiting or staying with applicant's family resided in Thailand (more than 60 days)

REQUIRED DOCUMENTS (Please check relevant embassy/ consulate's website for specifically required documents)

1. Passport or travel document with validity not less than 6 months
2. Photograph of the applicant, taken within the past six months
3. Financial evidence, e.g. bank statements, proof of earnings, proof of sponsorship from a third party)
4. Personal details of a family in Thailand, e.g. ID card, Passport and the visa page or stay permit in Thailand
5. Proof of relationship to a family in Thailand, e.g. A copy of marriage certificate / birth certificate / certificate of adoption
6. Proof of accommodation in Thailand, e.g. Accommodation bookings, invitation letters from family/friends in Thailand
7. Travel booking confirmation

How do i get 6 and 7 if i can't book a flight till i get a visa?

58 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

 

What may mean is there are no seats available on the flights.

There are flights scheduled next month. The will not issue the COE until you have a flight and rooms reserved for the quarantine.

 

You would apply for a non-o visa. See: Non-Immigrant Type O (Visiting or staying with applicant's family resided in Thailand....

Here: http://www.thaiembassy.org/london/en/services/7742/84508-Non-Immigrant-visas.html#6

Thanks Ubonjee.

How do i get a reservation on the flights without a COE ? Whenever i email the embassy they say there are no flights, although today they said they were releasing them in the future.

So when they get released how do i try and get one?

12 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I assume you are aware there is more to it than just applying for their visas and yours.

All of you will need certificates of entry, proof of covid 19 insurance, a fit to fly certificate, a covid 19 test with 72 hours before departure. 

Start here on the embassy website. http://www.thaiembassy.org/london/en/services/7742/119247-Requirements-for-Certificate-of-Entry-during-trave.html#6

Hello UbonJoe,

yes i am aware i have to get the COE (and all that entails) after i've got my visa. At the moment they have told me to organise my visa first as they are not doing COE, because there are no flights. Does that sound rite?

As a guardian what visa do i apply for? My childrens visa seems fairly straight forward.

If they are so taken up by questions and having to respond. Why don't they just put a list of FAQ ?

3 hours ago, blackcab said:

I would consider negotiating with the school for the admission fees to be refundable if the children and at least one parent cannot gain entry to Thailand by an agreed date.

 

The school know you are genuine and they would like your business. Politely mention to the head of admissions that if the school cannot agree to this then you will consider other schools.

Are you able to negotiate ? I assumed that was bad form.

Do you know what visa i would apply for as guardian ?

I'm on the Thai e-visa website now filling in the forms, and it's just dawned on me - at what point do i imput my details ?!

What visa do i apply for ?

Does i apply as part of the same registration, or do you need to complete a new registration for each person?

SOUL DESTROYING

I've been emailing the Thai Embassy in London for a few weeks now. It really does destroy you mentally.