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Alberto Cosi / Italian Connection

His studio is near the Rincome Intersection off Niman Road

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Alberto Cosi's Summary

Experience & Accomplishment.

-From 1984 to 1986. Milan,Italy. Romeo Gigli’s fashion designer secretary, in charge to follow his agenda and to supervision the fashion show organization

-From 1986 to 1991. Milan, Italy. Michel Leo’s 1900-2000 Art Gallery director. In charge to supervision art books pubblication, to keep contacts with press, organize Art exibitions.

-From 1991 to 1996. Living in Chiang Mai, Thailand. Freelance photographer and writer published in national magazines such as Art4D, Kinnaree, Home Decor, Elle Decor. Working along with AXIS advertising agency.

-From 1996 to 1999. Brescia, Italy. Founder of ASIA

PHOTOSTUDIO. Advertising and Product photographer for books, catalogues, brochure.

- From 1999 to 2008. Brescia, Italy. Co-founder of Beco’s Communication Advertising Agency. Aiming to offer the best product to local and national Companies such as Iseo Serrature, Brawo Brassworking, GFM Imbottiture, with books, catalogues, brochures, videos and internet services. At the same time we were publisher of two national magazines, Segni nel Tempo,

Pietre nel Tempo, and a regional one, La Dolce Vita, aiming to local restaurants.

-From 2008 to present. Back to Chiang Mai. Freelance professional advertising photographer and graphic

designer.

The informal Nimmanhemin community group met for its fourth time this week, with a great success in its pocket.

This organization, which is composed of mostly long-term Thai residents of the area between Nimmanhemin and Sirimangaljant Roads from Soi 1 to Soi 17, has been working on methods of community planning for area growth since the middle of last year.

One of the projects taken on was to quiet a noisy outdoor "Live Music" venue called "Moisture" on Soi 17.

With the community group getting signatures in the area, generating letters and visits to the Tessaban, Police and the Governor, investigations were conducted . . . and the venue was closed within three weeks of the start of the campaign. Good work!

According to the last meeting, having discovered the process for getting effective enforcement of noise, liquor and underage drinking laws, there are new targets in sight for the next campaign:

The Bridge Bar (Soi 11)

Pinocchio (Soi 7)

and the newly renovated Monkey Club (Soi 9)

(Author's note re Monkey Club - this one surprised me because in the past, Monkey Club has always a "good neighbor" in the area. However, they've now added outdoor live music which used to be at their University location, which is closed. My only hope is that they'll return to their previous "good neighbor" ways once they find out how disruptive their new format is - all the way to Soi 3, according to the neighbors at the meeting!)

Good Luck to the Nimmanhemin Community Group. Let's hope they can succeed and improve the quality of life in the Nimman area by reducing the volume of "loud outdoor live music" adjacent to residences!

When a visiting friend saw something that seemed unsafe or unsavory, show would ask me, "Don't that have a law against that?"

"Of course they do!" was my usual reply. "There's a law against anything their might be a law against in your country. The difference is, they don't really enforce laws here."

I was gratified that they didn't use the term "5-star tourism".

The original "red" administration's focus on these 5-star tourists was a miserable failure. And that was a good thing.

Five-star tourists spend money in international owned "corporate" destinations. Their spending doesn't "trickle down" to the average "somchai" who has a small service shop, a small handicrafts shop, a low cost local restaurant, or other business that, in the end, feeds the overall economy. Instead these 5-star tourists stay in 5-star hotels owned by overseas conglomerates (often listed on an exchange), eat pseudo-local food in exclusive foreign-owned and operated restaurants, and buy in the hotel shops or foreign-owned boutique handicraft shops. They don't rent motorcycles, ride tuk-tuks and songtaews, and they don't visit the ad-hoc tourist destinations. Their path through Thailand is controlled, predictable, and profitable only for the already-rich.

A focus on 5-star tourism is a focus on turning the resourceful, entrepreneurial self-employed Thai into a wage slave, dependent on the largesse of wealthy individuals and multinational corporations which will come to control the tourist industry here.

Despite the TAT's refocus on making more money per tourist, let's hope they intend to focus on fleecing them better rather than catering only to the rich ones. Let's also hope that that fleecing is done in a way that gets plenty of business for the motorcycle rental shops, the lady on the blanket on the street selling her hand-painted boxes, and the gwei dieow lady.

As the original poster, I would like to thank all of you who posted helpful and constructive comments. I found much of the information offered quite useful.

I understand some of the local property owners have now engaged a solicitor and are putting together a complaint which will go first before the Tessaban (as I see it spelled above), and then, if no success, before the governor. Of course, the time frame for that sort of thing is long, but the shoe will fall one way or the other eventually.

As for the poster above trying to address my stick-in-the-muddiness directly, I'd like to offer a few clarifications.

I don't own property in the area, nor do I live there (though I did so back when Nimman was quiet - Longan trees and barking dogs were the menace). However, I have watched Nimman grow and see how businesses are killing the goose that laid the golden egg by poisoning it with noise, excessive density (lack of parking), and general un-neighborly disregard. It's a shame really.

I went back to do a bit of fact-checking.

The Juk shop used to close at midnight (or later).

Under the Brit is indeed located in one unit of a four-unit townhouse building (euphemistically referred to as a "home office" building). The other three units are vacant.

Under the Brit is indeed located at the Srimangalajarn side of Soi 11, so any reference to "not hearing it" at the Nimman end is not pertinent.

Soi 6 is on the wrong side of Nimmanhemin Road.

As for Monkey and Dayli, I would add this.

Monkey Club has made a concerted effort for many years to be a "good neighbor" in Nimman. They have managed parking and added car parks for that purpose, scattered throughout the area. Their concerts are well organized, do not go on every weekend, and are in a more appropriate (that is, larger and more isolated from residences) venue.

Dayli seldom, if ever, has live music, it's volume is quite subdued. Likewise, Dayli is located at a commercial end of the street (no residences nearby). Their biggest fault is that, because they are popular, they create parking problems. For that, they have continued to work closely with neighbors to alleviate that annoyance, including providing a parking attendant to help direct traffic on busy evenings.

If the poster who enjoys the performances at Under the Brit has made any reader think that the problem is exaggerated, I invite you to visit Nimman Soi 11 at about Grace Dental Clinic on a weekend night (weeknights are not much better). If you have the opportunity to enter an upper floor of any building nearby, do so. Any doubt will be dispelled.

I remain a stick in the mud for these sorts of things, I guess. I fail to see how it would not disrupt the enjoyment of the patrons of UTB at all to have the volume at a level appropriate for their local enjoyment. However, is it not selfish for both the owner and patrons to presume that everyone in a 300m radius wants to listen to the same music, at the same volume, at the same times as the paying customers?

Anyway, that's my last on this. It's not really my issue. I have nothing for or against UTB per se. My post was more out of curiosity after happening on a local resident I know at a restaurant and her relating the story and telling me the police refused to do anything. It was really more a question of trying to understand the law in Thailand on these issues.

Again, I thank you for all your helpful information.

There is a bar, open a couple of months now, on Nimmanhemin Soi 11, called "Under the Brit" (UTB)

In a case of TIT, it is a live music pub located in a townhouse. Of course, the other three townhouses in the block are empty, for rent, and shall remain so, I'm sure. Why? because UTB, though operating under a restaurant license, plays the loudest live music I have ever heard in my life. They move humongous speakers out in from the the townhouse when performances start, generally from 8 or 9 pm. They play past midnight, as loud as they will go.

It's impossible to watch TV, read, think, study, or do anything at all during those hours, from Nimman Soi 9 to Nimman Soi 13 on the Srimangalajan side.

There are a couple of small restaurants across from UTB who are being forced to close as soon as UTB opens, because their premises become uninhabitable by customers as soon as the music starts. These restaurants use to be be open 6 to midnight. They now open noon to 8pm when UTB starts up.

I'm curious why there is nothing to be done by the local authorities? There is a residential condominium complex directly across from UTB, surely they should be able to take request some action?

I talked to the owner of a detached house on Soi 11. She said she contacted the police. The police verified that the venue had only a restaurant license, but told her someone would have to sue (fong rong) for enforcement!

This seems a bit odd, since I know several restaurateurs in the area who are regularly harassed by the police for not chasing customers away before midnight since they interpret the midnight closing rules as meaning the doors are shut, locked and the lights are out. One was forced to get an entertainment license because he played recorded background music for his diners.

Anyone know anything about Under the Brit?

Why do they get this special treatment to the detriment to the residents and other businesses?

Must be owned by someone with a lot of power in Chiang Mai!

Chiang Mai has an excellent Taxi meter service.

Nice new blue & yellow air conditioned taxis, reliable and on call 24 hours per day.

Taxi Meter Center 053-244795

Checked it out. This number is for dispatch of the red pickup trucks (song taew), not regular meter taxis.

There are also some brand new, pink, meter taxi's here now from Bangkok where the drivers work independently.

Haven't seen those. Do you know how to find them?

Chiang Mai has an excellent Taxi meter service.

Nice new blue & yellow air conditioned taxis, reliable and on call 24 hours per day.

Taxi Meter Center 053-244795

Thanks for the number for the metered Taxis, I was hunting for that, too!

I'm hoping to come up with sort of a part-time or on-call driver so that they see the same face each time, and the driver knows their special needs (Mom hard of hearing, Dad in a wheelchair for long distances and hard to get in/out of a car).

I'll be practicing with them using the Taxi service while we look for something more "regular"...

Has anybody had any experience with orthopedic surgery in Chiang Mai? If so, who was the surgeon and where did you have the surgery?

I fell while rock climbing down in Krabi and shattered my heel, detaching the Achilles tendon. I have good insurance, and they do direct billing through Chiang Mai Ram, but I am free to use any facility I like. I can also go to Bangkok if that means better care. I heard good things about a Dr. Chanakarn at Rajavej Hospital. Does anybody have his contact info? Does anybody have any recommendations of people or places to go or stay away from? I live in Chiang Mai, so that would be easiest, if good care is available.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Daniel

My elderly mother had a very good experience with shoulder surgery after a multiple fracture. Dr. Preecha at Ram.

I was responsible for her care, and I was quite impressed by this Dr. His English is good, he seems to be up-to-date on methods, and he was very good on follow-up after surgery.

The only thing I don't like about Ram is they don't have a "team" approach like they do at Sripat - the internist (Padungkiat) and the surgeon (Preecha) were sometimes working at cross-purposes, but they never set up any meeting together with the patient at the same time, only communicated by notes. This is the same you'd get in the USA, but I like the team approach at Sripat better, where they coordinate the patient visits occasionally to agree on treatment plan. You might want to see if Dr. Preecha has hours at Sripat!

My elderly parents (84 and 81) have retired to Chiang Mai.

Dad is pretty much home-bound, but Mom is a 60-year-old in an 80-year-old body. She's quite independent and capable, but driving herself around Chiang Mai is not an option.

Mom and Dad have a full-time housekeeper/assistant already. What they need is someone they can call on to deliver (and wait for/or be called back for pickup) for:

-Shopping

-Doctor Appointments

-Eating Out

-Special Events/Entertainment

- Visiting friends.

We'd prefer mature, English-speaking and good knowledge of getting around Chiang Mai, and have a car.

For emergencies, or unexpected needs, Mom and Dad can use a taxi, but it would be nice if they had someone reliable and familiar to take them to stuff scheduled in advance.

How would I go about finding someone like that? Suggestions?

Final Jeopardy Answer...

CM Ram does have the test in the fourth floor clinic, but first floor was clueless about it. After a bit of pushing there was a lightbulb moment and we got connected. So, tomorrow Mom goes up to the fourth floor for her test, gets the result, and then goes back down to the first floor for her meeting with the cardio guy.

Some brief comments.

1) I, too, prefer sripat. Unfortunately, the physical environment is not suitable for the frail or elderly (when are they going to spend a penny on that?)

2) Coumadin (warfarin) is prescribed for a number of conditions. The most common is for a leaky heart valve which does not require surgery. The eddies in the heart caused by the backwash in a leaky valve can cause small clots to form. If these clots go to the brain, they can cause ischemic stroke. Coumadin is used as a prophylactic measure. The PT/INR test is done regularly to make sure that the prothrombin time (clotting time) is not excessive, causing difficulties with healing of day-to-day injuries. ( Indeed, warfarin is "rat poison" and kills the rats by making the blood not clot. Their daily bumps and bruises then causes them to hemorrhage internally and die. )

3) There is now a PT/INR meter available for purchase in Thailand for personal use. However, the cost is rather prohibitive. Here are the details the company emailed me:

Meditop Co. Ltd is the distributor for INRatio2; PT/INR Monitoring System from USA. I am attaching its brochure for your view.

We have not yet introduced INRatio2 in Chiangmai. We have a plan to introduce at a private hospital; Chiangmai-Ram Hospital. However, we are not sure of the time frame. May I know the name of the hospital your mother is going?

It would be convenient for home monitoring. INRatio is designed for home use. We also sell the meter.

INRatio2 Meter : THB 20,972.00

INRatio Test Strip-Box of 48 : THB 11,812.80

Best Regards,

Pornthip Leammukda(Mrs)

Vice President

Meditop Co.Ltd

02-933-1133

081-8042587

www.meditopthailand.com

PS - special thanks to the ThaiVisa correspondent who messaged me privately and clued me in on how to "find" the test at Ram!

My 80 year old mother has just moved to live in Chiang Mai. She takes coumadin/warfarin for a heart condition and needs regular testing for her clotting time (PT).

In the USA, the doctors office did the test using a hand-held meter much like a blood sugar meter (it was from HemoSense). However, at Chiang Mai Ram hosptital they still do a full blood draw for this test. This is a problem for my mother, since she's a cancer survivor and has very thin collapsing veins as a result of chemotherapy 25 years ago.

Does anyone know of a doctor or hospital in Chiang Mai that uses the Hemosense or other meter to do PT testing?

This is important, since it's just not going to be possible for her to have blood drawn every 2-4 weeks to monitor her PT if they have to find a vein to do it!

Thank you!

Here are the details, copied from Long Yang Club CNX page, I hope they don't mind

No, we don't mind at all! LYC CNX is quite active about supporting Gay businesses throughout Chiang Mai, many of whom offer discounts to LYC CNX membership card holders (see our site at http://lyccnx.110mb.com for details)

LYC CNX is even holding our next "social evening" at La Vie en Rose on April 22nd, so drop on by and meet some of the LYC CNX crowd. It's a nice bunch of people.

Finally, I want to mention another new venue in Chiang Mai, Sabai Dee bar and restaurant next to Santitham Guest House. You can find a link to the location of the Santitham Guest House on our site as well! Don't miss either place!

C'mon people.

APRIL FOOL!

My nephew, studying at Ma Fa Luang, has recently finished his law class regarding immigration. They taught that there are some new relaxed rules regarding the ability of long-term non-residents of Thailand to apply for Thai citizenship. In Thai, the process is called: การขอสัญชาติไทย ในประเทศไทย แบบถาวร (apply for Thai citizenship in Thailand permanently).

It seems that in the new rules, if you are recommended by certain officials for approval based on your contributions to the well begin of the country, there is an expedited procedure which does not require a long wait (and can be based on previous stays). Does anyone have any details on this? My nephew is making further inquiries for me, but I wanted to see if anyone here knows about the new rules.

Second question, in the Thai Residency application as described elsewhere here, must the application be based on 6 years of O visas, or do B visas also qualify?

Thank you for your feedback.

A number of posters in a closed topic in the Chiang Mai forum noted that the Chiang Mai Mail newspaper refused to provide any calendar listing or coverage of the spectacularly successful Valentine's Day fundraiser for the Chiang Mai 2nd Gay Pride event (taking place 2/21). The reasons given were some "inside" knowledge of political activity aimed against the organizing groups.

A poster suggested writing the Chiang Mai Mail and expressing your concerns with their readiness to jettison a large part of their readership based on rumour or innuendo coming from some unnamed source.

If you'd like to express your opinion, you can write the editors at

I've written the letter below, I'll bet you can do even better!:

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To the Editors:

I was surprised to learn of your paper's refusal to cover the LYC-Santitham Guest House fundraiser for the Chiang Mai 2nd Gay Pride.

No matter, the Chiang Mai community was very supportive. (I do mean to omit the word "Gay" before "community" here as attendance at the fundraiser reflected support from the entire range of Chiang Mai residents - Thai and Western, Gay and straight.)

The matter to me, and others, is that it shows that your paper is not the paper of the Chiang Mai community, but rather of some repressive element of that community that has enough influence with you to entice you to impose self-censorship.

I expected this sort of thing when I lived in Hong Kong before 1997, but in Chiang Mai?

Chiang Mai mail, you've shown your true colors. They're not the red, white and blue of the Thai flag, but a bright canary yellow.

First, let me identify myself. I'm head of LYC Chiang Mai. I'm writing from a biased position, since our group has chosen to support the Chiang Mai 2nd Gay Parade on February 21.

Well, that kills the theory there are no Farangs involved! Guess Endure was right afterall

(the opinions expressed below are that of the author and are not to be construed as representative or supported by any group, company, society, or world of which he is a member.)

I know many here don't have English as a first language, so let me be more specific.

LYC CNX was asked by MPlus to "support" the parade.

We had no part in its planning, conception, approval, government presentation, or execution. So, we are providing financial and moral support (like liaison with Westerners).

The parade would have gone on without our support, but I think it's particularly gracious of MPlus to invite our group (which is more than 50% Thai, by the way) to participate.

Like a previous poster suggested, if you think this ain't a Thai thing, look who's involved in the politics - MPlus and Natee. Though each tries to recruit Westerner support, it's all their show, for better or for worse.

If you prefer not to draw conclusions based on hearsay and inference, the information required to call MPlus directly is provided previously by another poster.

Of course, it's more fun to draw conclusions without hard data, since then you can conclude anything that makes you feel good! 555

http://www.chiangmaigaypride.com

It seems to me that the gist of the above discussions comes down to "why a gay pride parade?" or "why not a heterosexual pride parade"?

First, let me identify myself. I'm head of LYC Chiang Mai. I'm writing from a biased position, since our group has chosen to support the Chiang Mai 2nd Gay Parade on February 21.

( http://www.chiangmaigaypride.com/ )

On the other hand, I don't see anyone else here writing from a 'neutral' position, do you?

Let me add that the opinions expressed below are that of the author and are not to be construed as representative or supported by any group, company, society, or world of which he is a member.

Let's supplement the question "Why a Gay Pride Parade" with a series of supplementary questions.

- why a St. Patrick's Day Parade?

- why a Columbus Day Parade?

- why a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade?

- why not a "Single Straight Men from Hampsted who drink Ale" parade?

The answer is not hard. Cultural ritual. Like it or not, every cultural group has, or develops, rituals which serve to unite the group, support the groups identity against the cultural majority identity, and provide a continuous thread of consciousness from one generation to the next.

The St. Patrick's day parade serves that purpose for diaspora Irish, as does the Columbus Day parade for Italians. The Thanksgiving Day parade has become a cultural ritual for the young country of the United States, a country of diverse backgrounds and cultures which has somehow been able to assemble a culture and identity of its own in just over 200 years.

And, I would say, if the Straights from Hampsted have a cultural identity, a cohesiveness, a community, I don't see why they shouldn't have a parade, too. But I suspect that this group has yet to coalesce and develop cultural roots.

Whether you are straight and wondering why Gays need a parade, or Gay and wondering why you need it for yourself, the point is moot. If the Gay Community has developed Gay Pride parades as part of its cultural identity over the past fifty or so years (the first identifiable modern parade was in the 1950's, though there were some in Europe in the 1920's), why should government or Kulturfaschist movements have the right to say - "we don't like your culture - you can't do it"?

Whether Gay people have built a cultural identity outside of the bedroom is no longer subject to debate. Gay culture meets all the anthropological and social criteria of a true "culture". The scope of that culture, whether it has yet to reach globally, is under discussion, but no one disputes that with the internet, satellite TV, and unrestricted travel between most nations, the culture is growing, evolving, and maturing.

So, the question is not, "Why a Gay Parade", but "Why not?"

http://www.chiangmaigaypride.com

Hello,

My elderly (80s) parents will soon be moving to Thailand to live with my husband and I. Dad's had a stroke, and although he's physically and mentally doing quite well, he requires constant supervision for his safety. Mom's just not up to it. So, rather than see Mom and Dad with strangers, we're bringing them out here (No, they are not kicking and screaming, they actually want to come!)

Both my husband and I speak Thai, so our housekeeper speaks minimal English (almost none). We need a person who can be a companion for Mom (driving and accompanying on outings), and a caregiver for Dad (bathing safety, occasional bathroom assistance, supervision). The helper needs to speak some English.

Any idea how I should go about looking for this person? Where or how?

All ideas are helpful!

Thanks to the tireless work of the Thai Police and the unselfish input from a large number of LYC members with information to give, on February 29 Thai police arrested the fellow who was living at David's house during the LYC party there. He confessed that he and his friends killed David, robbery the motive, but says he is not the one who use the knife. One of the three suspects is still at large.

่ http://tnews.teenee.com/crime/31846.html]

I have been reading this thread, and feel sickened.

Does Thailand really have this sort of percentage of sick, inconsiderate, narrow minded, bigoted, childish Ex-Pat morons such as are posting on this thread?

So many inappropriate comments here. Too many to pick on any particular one. But I would state this:-

If you were sat in a bar discussing this horrific murder, and there were a number of people present who know the victim present, would you really say these things in their presence?

You can answer one of two ways I guess:-

(1) Yes you would - In which case I regard you with contempt, because you are a sad excuse for a human being, with no compassion.

or

(2) No you wouldn't - In which case I regard you as a gutless coward that hides behind the anonymity of the internet.

Please people. I used to really like Thai Visa, and I have had a lot of useful information from people who are on the whole (Or on the surface?), nice people. However, reading threads like this where everybody is throwing in their 2cents worth, with no foundation, basis, or thought for those that knew this guy, really makes me begin to dislike this forum.

I didn't know the guy, but I will offer what so many other of you should be doing, instead of your mindless drivel . A simple message, RIP.

Phil

Well said, Phil. You've saved me a lot of writing because you expressed my thoughts so clearly.

All I would add is that I spent most of yesterday with the Police at David's house and can say that 90% of what I read in the press so far is pure fantasy.

I can't divulge details, but I can say the police have quite capably been able to discern motive, opportunity, means and identity. Some of the identity work they did was really quite astounding considering the time frame. My hats off to them. The hunt is on.

(As an example of the drivel in the articles, one mentions David was a restauranteur. Those of us who knew him would tell you that he's as likely a restauranteur as General Chavalit is a ski instructor.)

Since retiring to Chiang Mai, David was a tireless fundraiser and humanitarian, complementing his gift for music teaching, performance and composition. He used his choral group to regularly raise funds for a number of charities, including the Fund for Education of Rural Children which supports rural schools (yes, Tai Yai and Shan) near the Burmese border.

David will be sorely missed, both by those who knew him, and by those who didn't know him but who benefited from his generosity and hard work.

Goodbye, David. We loved you.

^Exactly- a rather anti-social policy (loose lips) for someone who wishes to form a social group.

I believe what you are trying to say is that you think that my views as expressed in this discussion make me inappropriate for leadership of LYC Chiang Mai.

First, let me give the usual disclaimer, which any reasonable person would have assumed without it having to be specifically written down for them:

"The views expressed in this discussion are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of any group, organization, or company with which I may be affiliated"

Conversely, when I am acting in my capacity at LYC, there may be encumbrances and restrictions outside the purview of the topics discussed in this forum, that in no way preclude my expressing my personal opinions here.

If you have specific criticisms of my behavior at or management of LYC CNX, please have the courage to address them to me specifically (and not anonymously) in a private message. I am always open to criticism and critique, in that I always want to do the best job I can. However, I resent cowhearted innuendo which is meant to cast aspersions upon myself or LYC CNX.

ASIDE: LYC CNX has become much more than a wish. We now have over 220 members, 51% Asian/Thai, with an average of two well-attended events a month. Although Thaivisa policy prohibits LYC from posting detail information here, you are free to learn more about our very successful and growing group by visiting http://lyccnx.110mb.com

I am pushy enough to say that we should always refer questions about love and sex relationships to the one who is being sinfully gossiped about.

What about the case in which Adam is not being sinfully gossiped about, but rather is being amicably inquired about?

I understand your personal choice, thought I would substitute "I should always" for "we should always" to reflect that it is a personal choice.

I just find it a curiously restrictive choice, and expect that it could make your conversations rather impersonal and abstract. If I couldn't talk about human relationships and feelings (which is, after all, that's what we are talking about in this aside - it really has nothing to do with "outing" as I describe it in the outset) ... If I couldn't talk about human relationships and feelings with other people I would feel very isolated and desolate. To me, it is our relationships and feelings that make the experience of life so extraordinary.

Sigh...

peekint, it is only my opinion about what sins other people should not gossip with.

Maybe some future Supreme Court will decree that every one of us has the inalienable right to tell everybody we please, about whom we did last night.l However, my tax exan=miners did not want to know. Nor should I tell Suzanne if Adam did Steve. Adam and Steve may tell Suzanne, if they wish and she asks.

Everybody is free to discuss their own relationships with whomever they wish. Relationships with family, friends, workmates, neighbors, etc. But they have no social right to gossip. Remind me not to tell you any gossip.

But, of course, if you told me any gossip, you'd be breaking your own rule! 555

(not to mention that I don't consider Adam going out with Steve to be a sin...)

(And, really, your tax examiners asked you who you did with the yellow rose? 555)