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6 hours ago, JonnyF said:A lot of Thais I speak to say their friends and family are all VERY nervous about side effects from the vaccine. Many don't want it.
Getting this into arms might not be as easy as anticipated, hence the advice from the Thai Neurological Society to try and reassure people.
True. Same here, in my region the Thai people were asked by the local hospital and doctors to register for the vaccine and less than 10% registered.
I like it.Seems, contradicted to the average opinion in this forum, that Thais actually have more common sense than the average Thailand expat (which is on the other hand not too difficult to be honest).
In other countries it’s similar. Many people are very hesitant to get the vaccine and most of them who take the stupid risk of the vaccine are just doing it because they are being blackmailed by their governments, to get their „freedom“ back.
And many people even start to understand that the vaccine might not be the biggest problem, but the digitalized vaccine passport by Big Brother will be.
Logging in, being tracked and traced everywhere you go. People start to understand and they don’t want that!
This is the first time since one year that I have hope for humanity and that I think that the CertificateOfVaccinationID (COVID) thing might fail. Too many people know the truth already. Not many of the old Pattaya drunks from this forum, but otherwise I am optimistic.
Lately posts like this of mine doesn’t even get censored on here anymore. I can smell at least a bit of the freedom of speech again.
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1 hour ago, mark131v said:
Blimey, see your GP mate their are medicine's that might help though to be fair that is a massive amount of paranoia...
Sure, maybe I am paranoid. Could be.But you just could be ignorant as well.
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1 hour ago, mark131v said:
Blimey, what can you say?
Millions dead, millions saved, maybe it's all a hoax or big brother...
Good luck and I hope it's not too warm under that tin foil hat...
When you have no arguments, it’s always easy to use empty phrases like tin foil hat ????I would argue regarding the “millions dead, millions saved” but as I was just banned until today for expressing my opinion, I will not comment any further on this. Freedom of speech is heavily censored.
Just so far:
Governments always stole our rights with the argument it would be just for our benefit. Until today it was never true, but maybe this time it’s different, huh?
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The modern witch-hunt began already.
Everyone who is questioning the official narrative is being filmed and published online.
And everyone joins in in the hate and does not see the problem.
Reminds me of very very sinister times..
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27 minutes ago, mark131v said:
Blimey how many million vaccinations do you need to see before you accept they are no longer experimental?
Will tens of millions do or are you still going to stick with the same blinkered, naïve narrative?
LOL.Ever heard that longterm-side-effects are just visible after a long term?
It’s logically impossible to know about the long term effects right now, just impossible.
Anyway, many people especially women experienced and reported some serious reproduction issues already. And this is just in the short term.
Furthermore I am not interested in a digitalized future where I need to scan my QR-Code-Vaccine-Passport every time I enter a restaurant, a supermarket, a cinema or something else.
Maybe you enjoy when corrupt and criminal governments(not just in Thailand) track and trace you everywhere you go, I don’t.
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6 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:
Don't laugh my Wife has told me she want's to get covid as she will get 500 thousand baht from her insurance.
I was not joking.Actually this is the only way to get any compensation for any side effects of these experimental vaccines, as the producers signed agreements that due to the “emergency nature” of the current situation they can’t be held responsible for any side effects!
Seems like Pfizer learned from the multi-million-dollar-compensations they paid in the past.
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Sounds awesome!
Lets vaccinate ourself into death so our family gets 400k THB ????
It’s a no-brainer!
#solidarity
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2 hours ago, Fromas said:
I don't follow the logic of arguing for the right to be heard as an oppressed minority, while casually throwing out violent language.
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12 hours ago, gunderhill said:
Whats the fine for threatening someone with a machete? Im still waiting on the Police to get back to me on that one, from the other day , which is odd because i think if i got out of my car and threatened a Thai with a machete it may be a slightly different "cue mad farang threatens Thai nationwide tv event" + he wasnt wearing a mask, expect the mask wearing is the serious issue though, maybe I should go back to the Police and mention that
He threatened you with a machete without a reason?Or what is the pre-story exactly?
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1 minute ago, gunderhill said:
You know what I disagree with a lot of what you say but not all, but I absolutely respect your right to say it, sadly TV is virtually stopping all debate now under the guise of it minimising the impact of covid. Its pretty sick as far as Im concerned pun intended. Simply label it as off topic trolling or denier etc and off it goes its getting right up there with global warming, welcome to the new normal, nothing normal about it. The Emperors clothes syndrome. From now on Im going to agree with everything said as long as its the "right" everything, as such i redact my comments above to YOUR WRONG Shame on you burn at the stake throw you out of the country etc????
Perfectly fine with you disagreeing.
A disagreement is the first step into a meaningful discussion based on arguments.
I am up for hour long discussions about everything.
But if people are not even allowed to disagree anymore, there is no room for a discussion anymore and really sinister times are in..
But I feel more hope, as even people that disagree with me now allowing me to express my opinion. A breeze of freedom, hahah..
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20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:An anti-vax approach may work for someone who is young, fit and heathy where seasonal influenza is concerned, however, when smallpox, tetanus, polio etc is concerned an anti-vaccination stance places you in grave danger.
Where vaccines have a less than 100% efficacy and rely on numbers a minor percentage of people who do not take the vaccine is not a significant issue, however, once a threshold is crossed and the numbers of those refusing the take a vaccine exceed a ‘critical mass’ the herd immunity such vaccines rely on cannot be achieved - For this reason those who refuse to take vaccine may be considered selfish.
I am relatively young, fit and healthy - I don’t believe I need the vaccine to protect myself at all. I don’t believe I am in a high risk group, yet I will take the vaccine to ensure that IF I were to contract Covid-19 I would be contagious for a far briefer period of time and limit the risk of any transmission, particularly if my symptoms are so minor they are hardly noticeable.
Thus - deal with Asthma anyway you want, deal with any non-transmissable illness or disease anyway you want, but where a transmissible virus is concerned the Vaccination stance is not just about the individual, but about the benefit of the community, those around you, those you love or those you just happen to come into contact with for the briefest period.
Thus: I’m sure many people would be fine with you not wanting to take a Covid-19 vaccine, if you are fine living in isolation so that you don’t become part of the problem for the remainder of the community in which you would otherwise cohabit.
Your comment underlines the problem of this whole vaccine-propaganda.
The fear-mongering of the threat of us unvaccinated people to the rest is so big, that you are not rational anymore.
If your vaccines work there is no threat from us.
I understand the narrative, that some people who can’t get the vaccine for medical reasons need to be protected as well.
But I thought we want to live in a democracy, no?
People who does not want to have any vaccine because they are scared of sickness and death because of it are much more than the people who have medical reasons to get no vaccine.
Why the fear of the people who have medical reasons to get no vaccine but wanna have it is worth more than the fear of the people who don’t want to have any vaccine?
This is not democratic.
And the numbers of anti-vaxers grow every day, because many people are suspicious about every government in the world suddenly care about the health of the common people.
Finally if you really wanna live in a society where people are separated from each other because many people does not want to inject pharmaceutical drugs in their body anymore, then at least let’s divide the world.
One part for vaccinated people, one part for unvaccinated. Sounds ridiculous to me but much less ridiculous than your proposal that unvaccinated people should be completely isolated.And we could compare the two lifestyles ????
At the very end I would like to link many studies that point to the fact that vaccines have nothing to do with appearance or disappearance of many sicknesses we had in the past, as they heavily decreased already before the invention of vaccines.
But as I am the scared one now, that my post will be censored because of that again here on TV like so many times in the past, I will not put any links to any studies here anymore. You educated me well to stay shut, mods...I just want to say that it’s your opinion that vaccines helped the human race, I kindly disagree and I can tell you that I am not completely alone with that.
Sure I agree more people share your opinion (sadly from my POV), but I thought minorities should be respected?Happy new normal..
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42 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:I agree with you that no one should be forced to get a vaccine. I too am disgusted by some post on here that are so quick to believe what the media tell them, and so quick to put down people who even dare to question any aspect of it
I do not agree that all vaccines are harmful however. I see the proof in my work with animals. Dogs and cats vaccinated against disease. Those not vaccinated often get the diseases and suffer or die due to it. That is the truth.
I don't think you are telling the truth that your daughter is allergic to vaccines if you say she never had one...so how do you know? The tried and tested vaccines are a great benefit.
However, I don't trust some of these Covid 19 vaccines yet...as it's too early to tell.
I also have a problem believing this viral disease really poses such a threat to healthy strong people.any more than other diseases.
You might thank vaccines for your children's health even if they have not had them. The vaccines reduce the amount of viral diseases so the chance of your children encountering them is much reduced.
I was not the guy who said his daughter is allergic to vaccines mate ^^
I just reacted, as I am scared some people in the future would force vaccinations on my little one so I was feeling some empathy for the guy with his daughter.Otherwise I even agree in many aspects with you and I am happy that normal discussions are still possible here. Chapeau. I am totally happy with people not agreeing with me, as long as they agree that everyone should not be intimidated by other people. But sadly that’s what’s happening to people like me at the moment, because people are really scared.
My POV is just the following:I noticed what our modern lifestyle led to in many different aspects.
Funnily I know almost no one who has not some kind of sickness nowadays, and me and my friends are still very young.
Many times when I gone to the Doctor in the past I came out with more problems than before. That’s why I suspected that maybe they are not here for my best but just for their own interest.
Thats when I started to try to learn from our ancestors, because my grandparents told me when they were young that it was not a sickness-loaded world like today.
Since I try to live mostly like our ancestors, eat no processed and just fresh food, drink just water, exercise and move regularly and don’t work too much I can totally avoid a doctor and was never sick anymore.
Medicine might have more use than damage for really sick and weak people, but healthy people can cope most of the things and for them the side effects of medicine is most of the time more bad than the effects. Most doctors and pharmaceutical industry does not care, it’s their business.The CertificateOfVaccinationID-19 is no different.
Doctors are good for broken legs, ruptured organs and stuff like that. But for chronic or general health issues like Asthma, Diabetis and so on I observed it’s much better to work on the underlying cause instead of using pharmaceutical drugs.
I am fine with everyone taking the vaccine to „protect“ himself, but then I expect everyone being fine with the people who does not want to take any vaccine.
The opinion of Anti-Vaxers might sound stupid for the neuronal connections of some people, but this does not mean these people are entitled to force things in other peoples body.
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19 minutes ago, n00dle said:
You lost me at at HomeBirth.
So sincere, righteous in your conviction.
So cliche.
Nobody cares.
My name was chosen wisely as an sheeple-filter, seems to be working.
I know nobody cares about my opinion and think it’s crazy, but that’s why I feel the even bigger urge to share it.I don’t care if anyone agrees with me, I just wanted to share a non-populistic opinion ????
Happy new normal
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2 hours ago, cclub75 said:Sure. And if one of those "rules" is... "kill yourself" ?
Do you understand the inanity of your argument ?
You should have a look at the current situation in the world.
NO COUNTRY has implemented a "rule" for compulsory Covid vaccination for all its citizen.
None.
Not even... China !
2 exceptions :
New Zeland : compulsory for workers at "borders"
Italy : compulsory for "health workers" (even pharmacists)
So why on earth Thailand would do it ? And should do it ?
The level of madness shown by some foreigners here is really extraordinary.
Don’t underestimate what will come. Now no mask no entry, soon no vaccine no entry. You will have no choice if you don’t live self-sufficiently.
Forget to argue with them.
Many of these foreigners would be happy in their Schadenfreude to see us being forced by gunpoint to take a vaccine and if we refuse we are being deported and separated from our families forever.
I am daily shocked by the mentality in this forum. Many people are just plainly evil but think they are „the good“.
Posts of mine get censored regularly with the reason of them being „conspiracy troll posts“... ????
I will never ever take any vaccine. No Sinovac, no Pfizer, no AstraZeneca, nothing. We own land here were we live self-sufficient. We are ready for being excluded from society forever, have fun in the new normal. It’s not being called new normal because it will disappear soon, you know?
My little one was NEVER vaccinated and, in comparison to every other kid we know (surely all vaccinated), were never sick until today. Yes, never. But I bet people will call this a conspiracy theory as well hahah.
We still wait how this all evolves but we are ready to leave Thailand anytime if this level of madness continues. I could imagine they don’t even leave us alone on our own self-sufficient farm in this country full of conformity.
But until today we liked Thailand regarding vaccines, as here no one is forced to take a vaccine by law like in some other countries. At least until now.
Signed by Mr proud Anti-Vaxxer. Guess some people even would like me being killed for my opinion, as they are being conditioned that people like I would be a danger to them, while the real danger lies in the syringes.. The power of media control is endless nowadays.. ????
I am honestly concerned how fast it all happened in one year, don’t wanna know where we are in another year..
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Army wanna „help“ with vaccinations?!
Scary stuff
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2 hours ago, jak2002003 said:
She has serious reactions to ALL vaccines....seriously doubt that.
The witchhunt-mentality is on already.Great times ahead.
Time to leave this country. See ya.
Many foreigners here in Thailand are much more conforming than the Thais, because they are scared otherwise they will be thrown out of the country.
More Thais than foreigners that I know don’t wanna have the vaccines. Most foreigners look down on me for my opinion like I would be crazy, Thais listen and a lot of them actually agree. But I live far away from big touristic cities, maybe that’s why.
I would say the typical clientele of this forum lives in Phuket and Pattaya, lol.
I think it has something to do with the fact that the Thais know their government is not their friend, while many Europeans still believe in the illusion of democracy in EU.
Good luck guys. This place is getting a serious threat for my family. Forced vaccinations, mask mandate in the car, TIT.
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On 3/15/2021 at 9:05 PM, Leaver said:
I don't fear property theft here, but I do fear extortion by police.
Example: A Thai crashes into you and seriously injures themselves or dies, you either pay up big time, or go to the monkey house.
It's the fragile line of freedom we all walk here.
Not true. I had a Thai crashed into me one time and everything was solved as it should have been.
He was being pledged guilty and needed to pay and actually did, even if it took a reminder call every month for the monthly rates and some occasional delay in the payment.
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On 2/4/2021 at 11:00 AM, rabas said:
Ah, 3% death rate. Smell that coffee.
More than 90% of people are asymptomatic and never feel sick, so most likely never will get tested.
Some sick people that do not die will not get tested as well.
And many people that are calculated into the deaths are people that did not died because of the virus, just with it. In most countries the average age of a person who died from Corona is the average lifespan of a person in this country.
If you take all this into account, the death rate is much much lower. You cant just take the positively tested people and the deaths and do the calculation. You need to take further things into account while calculating the death rate.
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12 hours ago, petermik said:
And will they be totally honest about the results?
99% of the people in power worldwide are not honest but follow their leaders and/or their own selfish goals.
People need to finally realize that the government is not our friend and we are just chess pieces for them.
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17 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:
I will be happy when everyone had had the covid vaccines and most of the world can start to get back to a more
normal life again. I will never go to some country that has not had the most of their population vaccinated against this
killer virus. Covid is not Ebola, thankfully, but it is not like any other flu virus either. I do hope that all the anti vaxxers
have to stay home in their home country if they do refuse a vaccine. No land crossings, ship crossings or airline crossings
allowed unless you are vaccinated, period. Seeing the people in USA on Spring break at the beaches just makes me wonder
why America won't lose another half million to the virus before they are over it. That thought goes to all countries that the people go to the beaches
and mix in groups as if the virus does not exist. Super spreaders are just stupid people, and you cannot fix stupid.
Geezer
How about the very low percentage of vulnerable people protect themself with vaccines?
Maybe less vulnerable people that are scared of this "killervirus" can protect themselves with vaccines as well and then everything is clear?I still do not understand why everyone needs to be vaccinated? Everyone who wants can do that and then we can live on?
And please do not try to argue with the 1-2% of people who cannot receive a vaccine, that we need to protect them. We are supposed to live in a so called "democracy", so when (depending on the country) 20-60% of the population simply does not want to get vaccinated because they are scared and do not want to live with digital identity passports being scanned everywhere, the opinion of these 20-60% should be valued by the numbers.
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On 3/17/2021 at 11:12 AM, Patong2021 said:
Are these people for real? Don't they not read the information the countries who design vaccine provide, or what WHO says? Easy to find. USA, EU, Australia, Canada, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore are all trying to get minimum 80% vaccinated. WHO says some vaccine need higher penetration to give herd immunity, like measles at 95% or Polio at 80%. The people who are the experts are saying we will need 80%+. Here is example;
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html
"In the pandemic’s early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did. About a month ago, he began saying “70, 75 percent” in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said “75, 80, 85 percent” and “75 to 80-plus percent.”
And then we have Thailand where it seems they pull numbers out of backside, like tapeworm from rural dweller. These people don't even know if the Sinovac vaccine will work against the new variant of virus? No clinical trial and no documentation to verify if China vaccine is effective and we get this; "Public Health Ministry Permanent Secretary Dr Kiattiphum Wongrajit said when 60% of the population has been inoculated against Covid-19 and Covid-19 prevention measures continue to be well maintained, the outbreak should be well under control." Oh please, who does he think he is fooling? Even a simple guy like me can do math and see that this is nonsense claim.
Are you for real? Don't you use your head to think for yourself, rather than relying on shady people's "advices"?
Many people were calling these vaccine passports one year ago. They were being called conspiracy theorist at this time. The same people called that the herd immunity goal will be risen step by step (like everything in this theater). And they are right again. It's an obvious game and the end-goal is to digitalize the world and give every living human being a digital identity. Total control for the powerful over the people.
So in your words, the herd immunity will be risen step by step to 100%, because by then the media will promote such a dangerous and contagious mutant of Corona, that everyone needs to be vaccinated so everyone will be safe.. I am calling that, and if it would not be illegal in this nation I would bet a huge bag of money on it.
Sure, some people may say "I have nothing to hide!". But you just need to have a look at China to see what will happen once this digital dystopian dictatorship is integrated. Everyone has "something to hide" and this is his freedom from corrupt governments. I am baffled again and again, that people really live in the belief that any government on this world now suddenly cares about their people at these Corona-times, while in all other occasions they never cared at all.
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3 hours ago, blackcab said:
I thought this piece of law regarding the MorChana App was revoked?
So if I have no "smart"phone and I am not willing to buy one, I am now a prisoner of my province inside Thailand?
Can anyone else clarify this? I cannot believe this.
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1 hour ago, timendres said:
It is impossible to know the extent to which the virus was circulating during that time, as there was virtually no testing. Fortunately, China shutdown the tourist flights, and Thailand shutdown all flights shortly thereafter. There are studies showing that if the US had locked down just two or three weeks sooner than they did, it would have had a dramatic impact on the spread of the virus. So, it is possible that Thailand locked down just in time. But this is all merely speculation. What we do know is that there is more testing going on now, and infections are rising. What is interesting is that Thailand appears to be responding to the rise a little more prudently this time, with more reasonable restrictions, no blanket curfew, and restrictions being applied at the provincial level, which does seem more pragmatic. Let's hope it is enough to carry them through to vaccination, which hopefully will have a real impact. Only time will tell.
They say the dangerous Coronavirus is highly transmittable. So it is obvious by logic that the Virus circulated at least once inside whole Thailand in a time span of over two months, because especially at this time Thailand was unbelievable stuffed with people. No masks, no social distancing. You remember? The R-rate must have been crazy high during these times ????To the rest of your post I am not replying, because your verbal replication of media propaganda is not the topic of the thread and the current senseless restrictions of everyone's life, based on nothing but just positive PCR-tests, neither.
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Corona was first discovered in Thailand in January.
Most likely it came around mid-end December already from the many people from Wuhan that traveled to Thailand during this time.
But for sure the virus was here in January and until end of March there were no senseless restrictions to "flatten the curve" :D
Meaning the vely dangelous Coronavirus was able to spread freely from January to March in Thailand and what happened? Exactly, nothing. The people not died on tha streetz like dropin flies, did they?
So can anyone explain me why no one notice this interesting fact? Because its not being mentioned in the media day by day?
Controversial Thammanat ruling triggers push to reform Constitutional Court
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Why the judges don’t wear masks?
Where is the public outrage? Oh yeah I forgot, they are no foreigners.