Tramboy

Your needs have already been met by your car. But, your needs are not driving the market which are tech, culture, trust and competition driven.

I was a little bit unclear. I mean 500/600 klms real world range. Not NEDC, CLDC WLTP or even PEA. Not having to optimise for the best battery management. Air-con on, drive as fast as the traffic goes, up and down mountains etc. Basically like for like (at least) with a typical ICE car. So, from a range perspective, there would be no difference in buying say a Yaris or a Dolphin and most people would drive them in the same fashion. And the EV vehicle would be priced about the same or cheaper. I see the tech tracking much like PC tech. Initially, it seemed like there were big breakthroughs in processing speed. Then it got to a point where the next new, new thing only produced minor improvements. Then the manufacturers kept making sub-par machines (think Pentium, i3, I5, I7 and I9) so they could justify price differentials. It's an interesting concept already at play, even in Thailand where lots of people don't seem to mind waiting forever, for anything 555. PEA charge 5.9B/KWH for 25KW chargers to 7.9B for 300-360 KW chargers even now. As the input tech changes (how fast a car can accept charge), so will the output tech (the charging infrastructure). But I suspect, much like computers, the cap will come not from capacity but from price. The mass market will adopt be form 80%+ of the market. The top 10% or less may have cars that can charge at 10C+ but will the average charging company go to the expense of paying for and setting up the infrastructure to serve 10% or less of the market? Personally, I doubt it. The car companies will, like BYD is in China as they are getting multiple benefits from their spend including marketing and showcasing their tech. Those benefits (mostly) evaporate from a EV charging company's point of view. At some point, the amount of energy required to power high output chargers would increase the costs of providing them exponentially - that's where the rubber hits the road from a ROI point of view. Mix in people's expectations around time (not early adopter's expectations but the mass market) and what price they are prepared to pay and you have somewhat of an answer. I suspect most people would be happy with the ZEEKR 7X charging rate (20-80% in under 10 minutes - real world) using a 500KW charger. As the input tech improves, things will only get better.

The Blade 2.0 battery looks really good. It allows BYD to increase range dramatically (Seal 8) or decrease battery size and increase dynamics and efficiency (Seal 7). IMO, mass market adoption without govt incentives will happen when real world range gets to 500/600 Klm and charging 10-80% settles at around 10-12 minutes with the requisite infrastructure to support better batteries. Obviously, solid state will get the industry there but the industry is still 5+ years away from having SS at mass market pricing. So these LFP improvements are really exciting.

PSA for those considering an ATTO1, recently announced for Thailand. https://youtu.be/GaLZxU7-hjI?si=leXiNO_bi3dGPf_S This video seems to be warts and all. And we won't necessarily get the exact same spec as Australia gets.

Prices are just normalising after the Government sweeteners were removed. If you are looking for "extras" for the money you pay, compare Chinese BEV's to the legacy ICE vehicles or stay out of the market until you find something you like at a price you are prepared to pay.

I recommend you join some model specific FB groups as people report what they like and what they don't like about li as well as the manufacturers approach to warranty claims and what getting spare parts is like.

International travel right now. Pffft.

https://www.thonburineustern.com/ex2/

Yah. I'll put it down to an editing issue from the company. FYI, I'm accessing the same site as you, from Thailand with NO VPN. I suspect this car would require about 140-160KW to achieve sub 7 sec 0-100 and it doesn't have that.

Something is going on with the stats Geely are quoting....

Gotta have something to do while the car is charging 555

The BYD Atto 3 is a representation of where BYD feels it needs to be to capture buyer interest given the intense competition it faces from all of the other EV brands. It feels strange to me that it has made it hot hatch+ powerful while maintaining a conservative looking stance that the casual observer might not pick from the current model when looking from the front. The extra space in the rear and the usable frunk will tick boxes, especially in countries with networks of small roads and lanes where many of the larger EV's are just not feasible due to their size.. At 1,199,000 the ZEEKR X still looks better (IMO) but now has a smaller battery with less range, slower charging and NMC as well as less cargo space, so it looks very expensive in comparison.

GWM is closing down the Ora line in Thailand. On to bigger and better things.

Has the Tesla Model 3 Standard been discussed? It was recently released for 1,149,000 THB and judging by my girlfriend's reaction, Tesla is a highly regarded brand in Thailand. The Standard has only a single wheel choice, deletes the rear screen and upper mood lighting and Tesla's version of hands-free lane centering. As well, the seats are fabric/vegan leather and the side mirrors are only operable via the screen. The sub has also been deleted with a total of 7 speakers and the battery is an LFP good for 534 KM WLTP and charging is restricted to 150KW. Thoughts?

Sodium-ion batteries will not replace car batteries anytime soon according to some. CATL doesn't make a use case for cars ATM. This is apparently because their watt hours by volume is too high for cars. Most people have come to use the KWH/KG measurement and it's all very useful when everybody measures the same thing. As far as I can tell, sodium-ion batteries require about double the volume as an NMC or LFP battery. That is, it needs to be twice as tall.

Maybe the problem is in the name? Board of Peace, or BOP - who would take that seriously? I suggest: Presidential Envoys & Delegates Organisation, or PEDO Would anyone here not think Trump isn't qualified to be the Number 1 PEDO?

I'm not having sex with it. It's a machine that gets me from point A to B. And if in need to punch it, and get some power out of it, which does bring a smile to my face, then it's an EV for sure, and a better price point. ICEV simply can't compete any more on any level ... IMHO And there's the rub. Cars don't seem to give you the same emotional response as they might @BKKBike09, a Jeremy or Harry therefore your approach is 100% right. But to add, it's 100% right for you. In bikes, some guys love the sound and smell of a 2-stroke. There's nothing like it in their world. To me it's noisy and smelly. We can both be "right" at the same time because the same 2 stroke evokes completely different feelings in each of us.

Harry, from Harry's Garage and Jeremy Clarkson talk about "Peak Car" and say it was about 2012 or thereabouts. The smells, the sounds, the way the car accelerates and a whole lot more create a "feeling" and some say BEV's can't compete with ICE on that emotional level. Their minds will never be changed. I feel, actually a bit sorry for them because many will lament to eternity and some will turn into "angry old men", if they aren't already. On the other hand, I get to be wonderous about the present tech and wildly optimistic about what the future will bring. Given the choice... Youtube Vid for reference:

To be fair to the Japanese, they only had a 60 year head-start over the Chinese and do offer a very low 3 Year Warranty, though not because some of the features they don't even offer that come as standard on lots of Chinese cars will break. And it IS hard to sell your fleet at super high prices. Anyway, they are fighting back with the BEV HiLux at only 1.491M and featuring a whopping almost 60KWH Battery. How can they lose in the long run?

Your data set is one person who by her own admission chose not to be treated? Did you ever want to become a career statistician but had your dreams crushed? My point is that Thailand is a developing country and has universal healthcare that millions of people rely on. Did you think it should be as advanced as your country before you moved here and decided to complain about it after you moved?

I'm glad you mentioned that because in Thailand, you pay 30 Baht to have a full medical procedure with a National ID Card. How much to have say, an appendix removed in the US? What about getting a heart condition treated over a year or 3? And how long would you wait for a hip replacement in the UK or Australia? In case you are wondering, if you are on a temp visa in Australia (like we are here), you pay the full price for medical - I'm just guessing but it would probably be about 10x more than I pay here. So what was the point again?

I was in Petchabun a couple of days ago and stopped near a cop so I asked him if he knew where a good coffee shop was. He was only too happy to help. Many Thai's have helped me out if I have needed it. It reminds me of my country as a lad - a throw back to when people were brought up to be neighborly, not fearful. There are 76+ million Thais and most don't give a thought to falang as they are just busy getting on with their lives. Not showing of wealth/gaining face is not a thing here IMO. Why would we think it is? If we enter the orbit of those that are obsessed with money, it's no surprise we may think that ALL they think about is money. But most people just try to get by and look after their family IMO.

Maybe. But if they don't adjust their thinking about price and warranty, they will be low volume. And in coming years, only high volume brands will be profitable. At least, they have gone with their own design language making the 6e unmistakably Mazda unlike other Japanese brands like Toyota who are just re-badging their Chinese partner's vehicles. And Mazda have also done a deal with CATL for future models so they may well see the writing on the wall and head in the right direction.

Glycerol. It's Vegetable Glycerin - it's an derivative of vegetable oil and it's a food additive. There's also Propylene Glycol, also a food additive. There's also food flavouring and nicotine. Now name all of the additives that cigarette manufactures combine with tobacco. And each chemical that is produced when the cigarette is combusted.

Well, except e-cig vapes don't have any oils in the juice. Only juice tampered with by drug dealers can have lipoid consequences. Some vapes in Thailand have been found to contain all sorts of illicit material - drug dealers do this for higher profit. Kids end up in hospital or in the morgue. Same when they buy pills or powder.