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1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

There is significant evidence that Trump was attempting to overturn the election. So many lying tweets about voter fraud and other election nonsense, phone calls to Georgia, likely attempt to replace Attorney General, his words and others words at the rally e.g. 'we will never give up we will never concede' 'If you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore' 'trial by combat' , his inaction when violence started.  

To dismiss those that say Trump was attempting to overturn the election as having 'troubled minds' is a cheap easy shot so common with Trump supporters. 

 

"Trump was attempting to overturn the election"  

Trump was trying to 'challenge' the election results - by all legal means - including supporters protests.

He has every legal right to do that, and to not concede, and to never give up.

Do you have proof of your allegations?

What proof did the Dens in the House provide?

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Nope.  Read them all and nope again.  Several have (correctly)pointed out that Trump incited the crowd.  No-one (unless I am very much mistake, in which case I am sure you can point the offending post out to me)  has said Trump told anyone to commit murder.

 

PH

"Several have (correctly)pointed out that Trump incited the crowd." 

Is your opinion - that is a Fact.

A Trump supporter was shot and killed - Fact.

I did not accuse any Dem of inciting that violence - Fact.

Trump did not incite his supporters to invade the Capital building - Fact.

Your 'TV Friends' are accusing Trump of inciting that violence - Fact.

1 minute ago, Phulublub said:

That was not your assertion at the start of this exchange.  Or maybe you forgot what you wrote:

But you think BLM and Antifa have been civil in their protests?

Because CNN told you so??

Both sides have been wrong, Both sides have caused violence, Both sides have been wrong.

But both sides are not condemned by the media.

 

I do not think anyone has claimed in subsequent posts that Trump told anyone to do that.  But just like your Dear Leader, obfuscation, deflection and diversion is the order of the day when you try to subvert facts with noise.

PH

Yes they are. Read them all. 

Do you have any evidence that Trump 'instructed' anyone to commit violence??

Let it go. Trump is not that bad. Yes you hate him for beating Hillary. But let it go.

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And in Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar", Mark Anthony told the Roman mob he came "to bury Cesar, not to praise him."  Then he whipped the mob into such a frenzy they burned the Senate building.  No doubt you think he was completely innocent in this.

 

Trump also told the mob "...they rigged an election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.", "We will stop the steal.", "we’re going to have to fight much harder.", "you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated." and on and on.   https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot

 

If you don't think these were fighting words designed to provoke the mob, you are definitely in denial.

 

If there were any doubt as to what Trump wanted the mob to do, Trump removed it when he refused to authorize bringing in the National Guard after the Capitol police were overwhelmed

 

"After a mob of his supporters broke into the Capitol building on Wednesday, President Donald Trump was initially hesitant to deploy the National Guard to respond, CNN and the New York Times reported, leaving Vice President Mike Pence to make the call while Trump continued to complain on Twitter about his electoral loss."  https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/06/reports-trump-resisted-sending-national-guard-to-quell-violent-mob-at-us-capitol/?sh=64ab03341e18

 

Trump attempted to stay in office through insurrection and the overthrow of the government.  He needs to be convicted.

Fake News.   Trump invented that saying.  Dont you know what Fake News is??

Several days before the protests the Capitol Police/Security were offered National Guard support - they rejected that offer.

That is why the Chief resigned after what happened.

3 hours ago, Crossy said:

I anticipate a significant increase in the number of "accidental" fires starting around 2.30AM.

And many at 5.30pm after the Police and Govt Officials go home.

Finished burning then before 9am next day.

Google made $4.3 BILLION in Revenue from Australia last year - but paid only $50 million in tax.

This was admitted by the Aussie CEO (reluctantly) under threat of penalty when questioned in Parliament.

Finally, a Government is taking them on and is trying to hold them to account.

31 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Yes, Trump and his mob will always be remembered as the ones who tried to end democracy and rule of law in America.

Only by Trump hating critics will that view be held. 

History will view it very differently me thinks.

30 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Why resist?  That shows why we're having problems.  People like you.  We're all in this together.  Give the guy a chance.  It's desperate times in the US, this doesn't help.

I cannot recall this approach after Trump won. Maybe I am getting old.

Opinions are divided and will remain that way for a long time.  But this is true and will always be true:

It is not the critic who is remembered.  It is not the one who points out how the doer stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.  History belongs to the person who actually gets into the arena; the one who strives valiantly; the one who wins and succeeds; the one who fails and comes short - because there can be no success without error and shortcoming.

The credit always goes to the doer who actually strives to do the deeds; the one who knows great enthusiasms, knows great devotion; who spends themselves fully in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if they fail, then fails while daring greatly. History always belongs to the person who gets into the arena. Their place in history shall never be with those cold and timid souls who only criticise; the credit never goes to those who can never truly know victory or defeat.

Many will say that person was wrong, and many will say that person was right. But in the end that person will be remembered, and it is history that will decide whether they were right or wrong - not the critics.