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Everyone out here arguing for Ivermectin use because it's cheap, when doctors have been successfully using dexamethasone to treat COVID which comes in at about 0.5GBP per dose. Where's big pharma in all this? Surely they should be suppressing its use too? 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-endorses-use-dexamethasone-covid-19-patients-oxygen-mechanical-ventilation

On 7/18/2021 at 4:55 AM, Taboo2 said:

https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/51386/a-case-in-favor-of-ivermectin

By Dr Ralph Carter, an orthopedic surgeon. 

Probably better to leave this stuff to virologists.

53 minutes ago, impulse said:

So what do you recommend for someone who's at least 3 months away from getting a vaccine?

 

Mask up, socially distance yourself, keep good hygiene and avoid crowded places until you can get jabbed. Prevention is far more effective than cure. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to be almost denied a vaccine, but you have my best wishes and hopes that it happens sooner rather than later. 

4 hours ago, JetsetBkk said:

Ah, but are you a former Pfizer Chief Science Officer like Dr. Mike Yeadon? Don't Google him whatever you do.

Good advice, he’s a crackpot that believes in the global depopulation conspiracy theory. 

Double jabbed with AZ. After the first I had a slightly sore arm and felt mildly achy for 24 hours. After the second, a slightly less sore arm and nothing else. My wife had similar, my son (18) had a slightly tender injection site and nothing else.

If you've nothing doing after 24 hours you should be in the clear! 

10 hours ago, deadbeat said:

In real world tests it has shown to be almost as affective if not equivilent to any vaccine.

Firstly, no it hasn't. Secondly, it's touted as a treatment, not a prevention so it can't be equivalent to a vaccine. Thirdly, there's already a massive thread on the drug and the lack of compelling evidence for its use here: 

5 hours ago, DavisH said:

Many doctors in India swear by it. But there is no money to be made is such a cheap drug. 

Yeah, I mean it's not like the most widely administered COVID vaccine in the world (AZ) is also the cheapest. Oh wait, it is.

Delta Plus is on its way too, so Thailand needs to win its battle against Delta before things get really out of hand. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57564560

6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

This is a new study that says that the AZ and Pfizer vaccines are highly effective against the Delta variant 

 

Pfizer and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines highly effective against Delta variant: study (msn.com)

 

Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine proved 79% effective against the Delta COVID-19 coronavirus variant, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was 60% effective, The Lancet said in a study published Monday.

 

The fact that the Delta variant could become the dominant coronavirus strain .......by fall raises the prospect of new outbreaks later this year among unvaccinated people.  That variant, The Lancet study said, could double the hospitalization risk compared to the U.K. variant, which has been renamed Alpha. Delta originated in India.  The study was conducted on 5.4 million people in Scotland, where Delta is becoming prevalent. 

There's a new pre-print study here from Public Health England showing Pfizer at 96% effective against hospitalization due to infection with Delta and AZ at 92% effective (both after two doses, after one dose they're 94% and 71% respectively)

1 hour ago, kimamey said:

The current vaccines don't prevent transmission and as far as I'm aware no vaccine ever developed does either.  What they do and research so far suggests this is the case with at least some of the current vaccines is they reduce transmission and so reduce the 'R' number which defines whether the virus is spreading or not. 

Good point actually, so many people decry the "lack of 100% effectiveness" of these vaccines without actually realising that practically every other vaccine that has been successful in all but eradicating certain diseases is far from the impossible goal of 100% effective in preventing infection and/or transmission. 

This is only the figure for January 2022. Each month will see an exponential increase until a peak of 60 million tourists per month is reached at high season. Everything will be fine, TAT predicts.

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

Please tell me how an unvaccinated person poses a danger to a vaccinated one?

It's not the danger from unvaccinated people to vaccinated people that is the danger, it's the danger from unvaccinated people who flatly refuse to get the vaccine based on misinformation or their journey down the conspiracy rabbit-hole to other unvaccinated people who can't get vaccinated because of legitimate health conditions.

Just now, placeholder said:

I have no choice but to accuse you of being a suckup.

Taken on the chin. ????‍♂️

16 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

There is an article in the New England Journal of Medicine which I think is quite persuasive  https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104882

 

Note however this discussion is solely with regard to the vaccines that use an Adenovirus platform (AZ and J&J). And that all studies confirm that the incidence is (1) very, very low and (2) disproportionately occurs in younger women.

 

It has taken a while to determine if the occurrence of this  rare clotting disorder was greater than average in people who got these vaccines precisely because the incidence was so low among both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.  However enough evidence has amassed at this point that it seems clear there is an increased incidence, though still a very low one; I don't know any public health professional who doubts that.  It also  seems clear that the increased incidence is disporoportionately in younger people and especially women, though we do not have the necessary age and sex disaggregated data on incidence in non-immunized people to quantify it.  There have only been a few studies on this condition prior to this and they did not capture enough cases to be able to compute rates by gender and age group.

 

It is clear that on an overall population level the very small risk is less than the risk of being unvaccinated. So if an across the board decision has to be made for everyone, it makes sense to use these vaccines. However, in countries where it is feasible to offer alternative vaccines not using the adenoviral platform to younger people, it makes sense to do that where possible.  The UK decision using age 40 makes sense to me, EU countries making it under 60 seem over the top and politically influenced.

 

All this has nothing at all to do with Sinovac, which is made from inactivated virus. There have been no blood clots identified linked to Sinovac or other similar vaccines. The Thai public on the whole is very unclear about this and does not seem to understand  the difference between one type of vaccine and another hence many receiving Sinovac think it is linked to blood clots and thsi may explain the groups of young women reporting symptoms for which no cause can be identified and which then spontraneously disappear.

 

It was clear to me right at the start that the reports from Rayong and now this one were almost surely not genuine and rather reflected social media-fueled mass hysteria. When rare vaccine side effects occur, they do not occur in a whole groups of people immunized together and then not at all in elsewhere. They will occur in isolated cases here and there, which is exactly what happened with AZ and J&J.  Even if the problem was batch specific, it should occur evenly among all peopel immunized with the same batch, which is not what happened here.

 

The pattern we are seeing in Thailand does not look like genuine rare adverse effects, especially since not being reported elsewhere with the same vaccine.  Rather it seems to be an "infectious" process due to auto-suggestion and spread on social media and through person to person rumor mongering.

 

There is are also  individual case reports in Facebook of things that happened to just one person and are almost certainly unrelated to the vaccine, i.g. one circulating of what appears to be either ringworm or psoriasis. People do nto seem to understand that every single thing that occurs to a person in the days and weeks after vaccination are nto due to the vaccine and that there are clear scientific  methods for determining this through comparing the incidence in both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. 

 

 

 

 

Now THAT is an answer. Thank you. I still have faith in AZ, my wife and son (50 & 18 respectively) had their second shots yesterday and I am due mine in about four weeks. Obviously the correlation to CVST was a concern, but given the evidence (and the fact one is far more likely to develop DVT on a flight when we as a family fly several times a year) our decision to carry on with the course was vindicated.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess I'm running the risk of being accused of sucking up to a moderator, but this is the best thing I've seen written about Covid in any of the forums. So well written. Thanks

I'll run the risk with you.

Thanks. So nothing conclusive yet.

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Certainly, thankfully German researchers have now pinpointed how AstraZeneca causes thrombosis in some patients:

 

The investigation showed how the vaccine caused rare thrombosis in the brain in a small number of patients.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-team-discovers-thrombosis-trigger/a-56925550

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There's still no conclusive information on how the sinus vein thromboses actually develop and whether there is a connection to the vaccine. Researchers at the University of Greifswald, Germany, had published study results  at the end of March in which they described a possible mechanism.

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These results were published in Research Square, a preprint publication,  which means the data has not yet been reviewed by independent experts. But for safety reviews and recommendations by committees such as Stiko, quick results like this may be important.

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"The picture is not yet complete, but the question is what preliminary conclusions can be drawn from it," Robert Klamroth, chief physician for internal medicine at Vivantes Hospital in Berlin, said.

15 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I mean they approved vaccines as safe that have killed people. Res ipsa loquitur, the facts speak for themselves.

Citation please? As I understood it they have established correlation so far (even in the case of cerebral thrombosis), but no concrete causality. 

37 minutes ago, hioctane said:

Vaccine manufacturers didn’t say that it doesn’t stop you from passing it on. They said they don’t know and it is still being studied. Early studies have shown that it does not.

Real world data from Pfizer and Moderna shows a 90% effectiveness against infection. [Source] Still early days, but the signs are very encouraging for the vaccines preventing transmission.

55 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

It would be nice if doctors could always tell by blood tests what exactly is wrong with someone, but whilst they can sometimes do that, unfortunately it is not always the case. In many cases once a person has died only an autopsy can determine what caused the death, hence autopsies are done when anyone needs to know for sure. 

 

It's obvious you have bit of a naive overblown trust in medics, which given how this pandemic unfolded is a bit surprising.

Looks like I can put aside my concerns over the pandemic then, it's obviously all overblown and nothing to worry about. Doctors and scientists can't be trusted and the whole thing is a ruse by Bill Gates to install 5G in everyone. ????