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On 5/11/2024 at 8:52 PM, OneMoreFarang said:
What a stupid comment.
Look up the definition of "pedos" and you should be able to find out that >=15 has nothing to do with that.
I suggest just control your own behavior and don't give useless advice to other people.
15 years old is a child.
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Oh this old chestnut again. Well sorry to burst the bubble of all the sexpats and sex tourists but unless you are a Thai citizen it don't matter what the legal age of consent in Thailand is.
You can quote all the Thai laws you want but the only thing that matters is what the legal age of consent is in your own country, because virtually all western countries have sex tourism laws that target their own citizens who travel to other countries like Thailand to have sex with young children that they otherwise would not be able to legally do in their own country.
So if you think the Thai law that says 15 years old is fine, then you are potentially committing a crime in your home country that could put you in prison for decades. So even if the courts can't prosecute you here, you can be sure of one thing, the Thai's love handing pedos over to Western law enforcement.
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On 5/9/2024 at 6:22 AM, Captain Monday said:
There is no direct immigration processing outbound but every time you show ID at airport security name goes thru the system just like traffic stops
Guess they were not looking for him yet
People get stopped at airports all the time just because they have the same or similar name as a wanted person or crim.
This the need for redress numbersWell I don't know about that, I've never seen it happen.
But whenever I travel to Mexico there is no outbound check and no inbound check on the Mexico side either. I suspect the only passport check at the airport is that your name matches the airticket / boarding pass.
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The same parasite that has eaten the brains of all Democrat voters.
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15 hours ago, RobU said:
The post was asking how he got out of the US not how did he get into Thailand. Surely he should have been flagged as wanted and arrested at the US airport when he tried to leave
Well I thought the question was strange because there are no checks on anyone leaving USA. So why would he have been stopped?
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1 hour ago, Mbolo said:
I’ve been living/visiting for 50 years and I never once saw a census official . How do they make up these figures ?
I vaguely remember a census form years ago that we had to fill out
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Yes Thailand is definitely on the decline which was entirely predictable.
In the 80s and 90s there was a clown by the name of Dr Meechai who was celebrated in the media and by the government elites. Essentially he promoted nationwide schemes to stop Thai people from having babies such as condom handouts, other forms of contraception programs and free sterilizations. In fact I think he even convinced the government to make it a law that all Thai employers must give their employees a paid day off work if they get sterilized!
Anyway sad for Thailand as they watch other countries surpass them unless they change their immigration policies.
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On 10/13/2023 at 8:26 PM, Longwood50 said:
Ok perhaps this is a stupid question but lets say I have income in the USA of $100,000 per year and I pay taxes on that income and don't bring it into Thailand but rather have it remain in the USA.
Is it the understanding that the new law would make that amount taxable here in Thailand if I reside over 180 days.
Now what if the money in an account in the USA is savings already taxed in the USA and that money is brought into Thailand for living expenses. That money is not "income"
What is the situation with Social Security. I read conflicting statements with some saying Thailand could tax the social security and others saying no if you pay your tax in the USA then none will be owed here in Thailand because of the tax treaty.
The basic answer is that is what it seems will happen.
The more complicated answer to that question is that it depends upon the type of income you have. If your income source is covered favorably by the international tax treaty then you can elect to have that taxed only in the US. Using your example asking about Social Security and other Government pensions, these would be taxable only in USA and so would be exempt from Thai taxes, but only if you make that tax treaty election on your tax filing. (using Form 8833).
Correct, savings is not income. So should not be taxable for just simple transferring it to Thailand.
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On 10/10/2023 at 1:40 AM, Sheryl said:
Absolutely nothing in the new regulation says this, quite the opposite.
Sheryl, you should probably stop giving tax advice.
Using just one example, Article 20 Pensions and Social Security Payments, US Thai Tax treaty says it very clearly , quoting
"Paragraph 1 provides that private pensions and other similar remuneration paid in consideration of past employment are generally taxable only in the residence State of the recipient."
It could not be more clearer. Income sourced from USA is taxable only in Thailand if you are a tax RESIDENT in Thailand.
For Thailand that is Residence based taxation of global income. Nothing in the code says the income must be remitted into Thailand before it is taxed.
However, this ruling while it is already on the books, there is one caveat. Now I'm guessing 99.999999% of all American expats in Thailand have never used the international Tax treaty. Because the Tax treaty does not automatically apply. You have to declare that you are taking a treaty position with regards to taxes on your tax filing by using form 8833.
The point is, Thailand almost never taxes this income now. But they want to change that by becoming a Residence based system.
PS.. Just to add additional info. The above is inclusive of 401k, IRAs, and private pensions. For Social Security it's different as it states that it is taxable only in the contracting state (as opposed to the residence state), quoting
"The treatment of social security benefits is dealt with in paragraph 2. This paragraph provides that, notwithstanding the provision of paragraph 1 under which private pensions are taxable exclusively in the State of residence of the beneficial owner, payments made by one of the Contracting States as a social security benefit or similar public pension to a resident of the other Contracting State or to a citizen of the United States will be taxable only in the Contracting State making the payment."
As there is no talk about changing the US Thai tax treaty then SSI will continue to be taxable only in USA......provided that you elect to take a Tax treaty position. (Form 8833).
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Why do you care?
Or more importantly, if you were there to witness them then why did you not say something to them at the time?
Instead you took a picture behind their backs, then post to an anonymous forum to complain about how "loud and obnoxious" they were. Well, hate to tell you this but there is absolutely NOTHING that any of us readers can do about it.
It was you that had the opportunity to lecture them and educate them about Thai culture. But you didn't.
Is your name Karen ?
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4 hours ago, AVWB said:
Bragging rights ? If you are a USA citizen, the USA taxes on world wide income, it will not make a difference for you.
Wrong. Being a US Citizen who is a tax resident of another country does not make you exempt from taxes in that country. As stated previously there are a few exceptions which are generally related to pension or social security income that is sourced from USA. Other types of income such as salaries, investment income, capital gains, royalties, rents would like still be considered as taxable income in the country where you live.
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2 hours ago, PJ71 said:
Surely the money you already have before these new rules come in to play cannot be touched?
For example if one had say 10m baht in a bank, it cannot be touched if all brought into country before this new set of rules?
Correct. Any accumulated savings or capital is not income so would not be taxed.
If that happened then that's effectively capital controls tax which happened very briefly in (I think) 2007 and was quickly reversed.
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38 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:All of us Americans are required by law to report our worldwide income on which we are under USA taxation law. As we already are subject to taxation on that income, where the USA has taxation treaties with other countries, we are protected from double taxation on that same income. From all that I am reading and listening to from companies filing our tax returns from here in Thailand, our US- Thai tax treaty remains covering us. My only income is derived from US retirement sources, I anticipate no change in my annual US tax return. If you are in Chiang Mai, the last Saturday of the month, a speaker from American International Tax Advisors will address this at the meeting of the Chiang Mai Expats club scheduled for 10:00 at the Melia Hotel.
You're confusing what double taxation is. It doesn't mean you are exempt from income tax if you are resident in another country. It only means you're not taxed double. Let me explain.
For example, if you're American and your effective income tax rate paid in the US is 20%, but the country you live in assess the same income amount should pay an income tax rate of 30%. Then you'll get a 20% tax credit for the taxes paid to the IRS, but you''ll still have to cough up the 10% difference to the taxation department of the resident country that you live in
There are very few exceptions to this rule and most relate to pension or social security income and the details are specific to each treaty.
BTW, if you're using a tax treaty about your income you are required specifically to state that on seperate forms when you file your taxes. It isn't automatically assumed by the taxation agencies.
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4 hours ago, Crossy said:Don't panic (yet), it's only money brought into Thailand that's taxable and you may be protected by the Thai-US double taxation agreement.
Don't bet on it. The Thai government are very terrible at communicating effectively and it's my belief that they intend to adopt a residence based worldwide taxation system like what many western countries have for their own tax residents. Meaning no matter whether you bring the money into Thailand or not, if it is income then they tax it.
If they only taxed money coming into Thailand then how would they be able to distinguish between money that was income and money (savings) that was not income. They couldn't. That system wouldn't work or be practical.
Also why would they be making a major announcement if they intended to keep offshore income untaxed as long as it was not remitted into Thailand. Because that's the system they already have now.
I'm afraid to say this but it's likely the OP will get taxed on his offshore income. Thailand definitely isn't a low tax country. So you'll get a tax credit for any US income taxes paid but since Thai income tax rates are higher then you'll probably get taxed on the difference in rates that Thailand has.
Sucks for high income earners, but there might be a positive for low income earners as a yearly tax filing with Thailand may open doors for immigration to accept that as proof of income for extension of stay purposes
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On 10/7/2023 at 11:32 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:
I haven't read the whole U.S. treaty -- every time I've tried, my eyes glaze over and I fall asleep... So I'm relying on the OP's summary above....
Interesting complexity for Americans -- dividends and interest may be taxable if remitted into Thailand under the OP's reading....
But what if the source of those divs and interest is from a Roth IRA retirement account in the U.S., which by U.S. law has tax-free distributions in the U.S.?
Would Thailand here be trying to make tax-free U.S. distributions from a U.S. Roth IRA account suddenly taxable in Thailand if remitted there???
Possibly. I don't think that's their intention, but the US international Tax Treaties appear to apply based on residence. So tax free retirement vehicles in the US suddenly are not tax free if living in Thailand.
That's not unusual as it seems to be the same for other countries treaties with the US for their retirement accounts.
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On the same day, there's another news story that Thai police are planning on make civilian ownership of firearms more difficult.
This is precisely the reason civilians should have the right to legally own firearms for self defense.
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16 minutes ago, mania said:Asks the guy with
3436 posts in this topic alone?You've been on this forum 2 years yet have over 15,000 posts
Kind of sad isn't it? It's obvious ozimoron 's entire life is spent online trolling people and has no understanding at all of the real world.
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1 hour ago, ozimoron said:
He might seem to you to be apolitical but his message is decidedly right wing. He appeals to way more people on the right than the left.
You must be extreme leftist if you think Joe Rogan is right wing.
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16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:He mobilized for an invasion. That isn't acting reasonably under anyone's definition. You want to deny this fact but not want to speculate on it? That is takes many months to prepare for an invasion is common knowledge. Are you sure you're qualified to engage in this debate?
Do you think that Obama and Biden draw out Putin's worst instincts?
No he didn't. It was in 2022. Long after Trump left office. Stop lying
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21 hours ago, ozimoron said:What Trump was mostly getting done as President was fraud.
In one example, Amer noted how Trump repeatedly valued his South Florida oceanside estate of Mar-a-Lago at 28 times more than the official Palm Beach County government property appraiser. A chart displayed in the courtroom showed how the former president’s winter home was valued by the county in 2018 at $25 million—while the real estate mogul set the value at $714 million.
In another example, the AG’s office pointed out how the Trumps’ simply slapped on a 30% “branHod premHoium” at Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida. They also raised the theoretical purchase price of that business enterprise by tacking on $41 million in club memberships—even though those signups are reimbursable and under certain circumstances would have to be paid back.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tries-to-strike-down-new-york-ag-case-before-it-starts
How long have you lived in America? Or a better question is, have you ever even been to America?
I can definitely say things were MUCH better under Trump. Less crime, less homeless, lower gas prices, lower food prices, lower unemployment. No new wars.
Who cares what the guy's mansion is worth? How is that relevant to his role as President?
And for what it's worth, depending upon the state, the county tax appraisal/assessment of property is often only a fraction of what the market value of the property is. (You didn't even know that?) For my own home, the assessment for the county tax purposes is less than a quarter of the market value.
You're selectively choosing things that the media has told you as fact that are completely irrelevant to his performance simple because you don't like Trump.
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2 hours ago, webfact said:wealth that is located abroad…and has brought these assets into Thailand…
must factor this into their personal income tax for the year.”
This is a really concerning statement because wealth is not the same thing as income. Simply having cash in a foreign account and then transferring it into Thailand is not income and therefore should not be taxable. If they do try something like (they did once before with capital controls in 2007) it will be a complete disaster.
In any case, if they adopt a system similar to other countries that tax worldwide income then I don't think it should be of much concern for Americans as the tax treaty means that most of their retirement or investment income won't be taxable in Thailand. Other countries will need to check their tax treaty.
On a separate note, one thing I never understood about Thailand immigration is that they never considered foreign income tax filings as part of the evidence of income for visa extensions. Because no one ever is going to declare to the IRS that their income higher than what it truly is. It's definitely a much more reliable indicator for proof of income than some Embassy witnessed statement.
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On 9/3/2023 at 1:04 PM, webfact said:
any foreigner arrested for overstaying their visa, regardless of the duration, faces deportation and a ban from re-entering Thailand for a minimum of five years
Imagine if USA adopted the same strict rules. There'd be like 20 million people deported
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On one hand, it's racist to single out Russians, but on the other hand I suspect many of these Russian people are selfish draft dodgers afraid to protect their motherland from the fascist imperialist goals of Biden's USA thugs.
So, perhaps the best thing for Thailand to do is deport them back to Russia.
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13 minutes ago, ianguygil said:
Again, without getting too far into it on a public forum. Thailand is relatively unique in that all these payments and transfers are realtime. The money is gone between parties synchronously. Not a day delay or even a few minutes. as in some markets This combined with the relatively high use of ANDROID and a reasonably low level of customer education/awareness of information security principles, leads to the Thai market being a target for leading edge hackers. The most recent of which was exploiting "Accessibility" (which help people with disabilities).
I have great respect for the Thai regulators. They are smart. The hackers are smart.
Huh? Clearly the Thai bank regulators are not smart if they have to change the security procedures every few months. If all of the security features are so important, then why do we need more of them?
The answer is, because they are not any stronger than a simple a passcode or PIN
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Whats the legal age of consent in Thailand. Its confusing.
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Do you have learning problems? Seriously read the posts.
Several comments claimed that the age of consent is 15 years old in Thailand. I replied that the Thai age of consent is meaningless because 15 years is illegal for visitors in Thailand. 15 years old is considered a child in most western countries. Therefore anyone (such as you) trying to downplay the seriousness of involvement with a 15 year old should probably know that the law thinks differently.
And yes, they are all the same. Anyone under 18 is a child. Maybe predators want to think differently