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3 hours ago, jackdd said:

Most people who spew threats don't have anything to back it up, it's just spews.

People who really have connections don't make those threats.

 

 

The school broke the contract by not providing a work permit.

Work contracts are only a civil matter anyway, if he thinks you broke the contract and wants some kind of compensation he would have to take you to court.

 

Working illegally is of course a different matter, but if he would inform the authorities that you worked illegally at his school, then he would be fined too, and they might also check if all the other foreigners at this school are working legally, and they might come back in the future to check this again. So obviously he won't inform the authorities about it.

This logic is kind of what I figured. It’s just a bit scary when you’re new to the country and your employer starts hard balling you like that. So without a work permit the contract would be useless then. I just hear of some teachers getting blacklisted by the teaching council but I assume without a work permit and without the teaching license or waiver being provided it would be hard for the school to achieve this legally? 

4 hours ago, J Town said:

I was once threatened by a school director who wanted to get the police involved. The problem was the director would have to admit wrongdoing, so we were at the classic Mexican standoff.

I assume you were able to walk away from the situation then? 

36 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

If the Director already made a threat, it would tell me he has some connections to make something bad happen.

 

Otherwise, why not just let the teacher walk?

 

He knows he has the teacher by the nuts now.

 

I think the only answer is you have to plan for the worst that could happen. If anything less than the worse happens you will be ok. If you can mitigate the worse, you would still be ok.

 

Some of these directors in power act like god and will deal out harsh punishment when they do not get their own way.

 

I think the authorities would ask why a teacher already spend 90 days working their without a work permit, instead of leaving in the first week or two?

 

100's of foreign teachers got banged up for working with no work permits. Ask yourself how the government knew where all these teachers were working at the schools they were at with no work permit? Someone must have ratted them out.

I think he really threatened him because the school was short handed at the time. So this whole thing with the teacher actually happened a while ago. Since then the teacher was able to re enter the country on another tourist visa without anyone flagging him. Is it safe to say he is in the clear to pursue a job legally? 

2 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Like I said, do a little research how many got banged up when the government went after them.

 

The problem is the law states NO working without a work permit.

 

If you start a job without a work permit, you are in violation of the law.

 

What kind of person would risk getting deported doing that? Think blaming it on the school is going to save you?

 

These schools know there are desperate foreigners who need a job and need money. They know these types will start work without a work permit and break the law solely to have money to survive on.

 

If you break the law in Thailand, any law, be prepared to pay the price.

 

If you need a job at a shady school to survive in Thailand as your only income, you probably shouldn't be there.

 

 

Well I agree it was a bad mistake. I think everyone in this thread knows that working illegally is indeed bad. But we should focus on the question at hand. If the school has connections it could end poorly. If the school does not have connections. Is it safe to assume said teacher could quit and break the contract in order to avoid working any more days illegally? 

12 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Working on a tourist visa is a big no-no.

 

If the school director has some connections in the police, I am sure this would NOT work out in your favor and maybe end up getting yourself deported.

 

Were you around previously when the government went province to province rounding up all the foreign teachers with no work permits?

 

Did not end well for them.

Yeah no kidding it’s the reason they left. They wouldn’t provide it. Almost every school you go to these days has teachers working on tourists visas during an illegal 3 month probation period. 

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The only was a person can be blacklisted is for commiting a crime and being prosecuted for it or a long overstay.

I don't think the school can prevent somebody from finding another job.

And so this teacher shouldn’t have any problems with immigration then. Surely they couldn’t report the teacher without also reporting themselves? Could the same be said for the Thai council blacklist? If they never completed the process? 

So let’s just say I know a teacher who may have worked for a school for almost 3 months. They signed a one year contract but they were never given a visa or work permit through this school. This teacher was working on a tourist visa. Due to poor work conditions also lack of visa assistance the teacher quits but the school director threatens to report said teacher to immigration. I guess I’m wondering is it possible for a school to get a teacher blacklisted in some way? Making it hard to enter the country again and pursue work? I have also heard that a teacher can be blacklisted by the teacher council for some period of time. Would something like this be possible if the teacher never legally worked there? Just wondering if a threat like this should be taken seriously or if it’s just angry nonsense.